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OfflinefungalEntropy
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What would happen if...
    #14408434 - 05/06/11 01:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have three fully colonized quart jars of wbs.  All three jars are of different strains. What would happen if I mixed all three together in a mini mono with some coir?


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: fungalEntropy]
    #14408492 - 05/06/11 02:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you would probably grow some cubensis.

Do you know anything about dogs? I'll use this analogy. Its gonna be like mixing together a german shepard, a groenendael, and a Tervuren.

Unless you meant to say three different SPECIES, in which case it would be like three different mold networks fighting over finite food and moisture resources.

:commonsense:


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14408926 - 05/06/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It wouldnt be beneficial and would at best reduce your yields. At worst you could get nothing. Like ^ said, you'll probably get something, just small fruits and not many. You wont end up with any sort of crossbreed though if thats what your thinking.


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
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OfflinefungalEntropy
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Re: What would happen if... [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14409235 - 05/06/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I wasn't expecting to get a crossbreed, and I think I get the picture here of what would happen. I just only have one jar of each and I don't know what to do with them. Any ideas that would be beneficial to get the most out of each jar?


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: fungalEntropy]
    #14409296 - 05/06/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Been done lots before with not so good results.


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: dr0409]
    #14409313 - 05/06/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What do you propose I do with these single jars for maximum output?


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: fungalEntropy]
    #14409390 - 05/06/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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fungalEntropy said:
What do you propose I do with these single jars for maximum output?




Make a GLC out of each jar and shoot up a bunch of new ones.  Or do G2G, whichever you prefer.


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: MOPE]
    #14409491 - 05/06/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would fruitem as big fuckin' wbs cakes.


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: shroomiin]
    #14409632 - 05/06/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just do what you were gonna do in three separate chunks. Take 1 jar and spawn to substrate (or coir or whatever), mix it up in a small tub..then dump into one side of the tub you want to fruit in, then do the same with the second jar, on the other side. Then the third jar, same thing, and dump it in the middle. Like neapolitan ice cream. They should grow next to eachother touching just fine.

Assuming you cant just make three small separate tubs or bags with one jar of each of course..

Or make three small tubs, 1 jar in each with some coir/verm, let the three tubs colonize, then dump all three into the tub you wanted to use, same thing..

Whatever you do, keep the three strains separate and mix them with some coir or whatever and you'll be fine.


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


Edited by scatmanrav (05/06/11 11:06 AM)


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OfflinefungalEntropy
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Re: What would happen if... [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14411372 - 05/06/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think I'm gonna do the g2g transfer I totally forgot about this method. Tried grain lc the other day for the first time worked like a charm! Wasn't expecting good results but it was perfectly executed. Wayyyy faster than ms! I need to learn how to spore print and clone. Off to the search engine!  Thanks guys for the help and input


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: fungalEntropy]
    #14411433 - 05/06/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't understand how mixing the 3 together would be any different than mixing together 3 jars of the same strain inoculated with multispore solution. Either way, each jar is going to have different genetics in it.


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: ranticalion]
    #14411452 - 05/06/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ranticalion said:
I don't understand how mixing the 3 together would be any different than mixing together 3 jars of the same strain inoculated with multispore solution. Either way, each jar is going to have different genetics in it.




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Re: What would happen if... [Re: Victarius]
    #14413914 - 05/07/11 05:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I like to spawn qt jars to smaller trays or gladware containers with either verm or verm/coir


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: ranticalion]
    #14483583 - 05/20/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ranticalion said:
I don't understand how mixing the 3 together would be any different than mixing together 3 jars of the same strain inoculated with multispore solution. Either way, each jar is going to have different genetics in it.




The genetics from one syringe are fall smaller then they are from multiple prints from different grows from different strains. It works completely different.


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14483885 - 05/20/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The genetics from one syringe are fall smaller then they are from multiple prints from different grows from different strains. It works completely different.




QFT.

Ive been searching around because i have some single quart jars, i wanted to mix them all up and spawn.

People say TECHNICALLY it should work, because they are all cubes, the same species, and that when using MS you have several different substrains mixed together anyways.

BUT of EVERY example ive seen of this, the results are piss poor. No, they do not "fight" or "compete" but they fruit differently and this is what i think fucks it up all together.

There was a recent thread where the dude made a mono using 5 quarts...each of a different "strain". He also had a mono made up entirely of cambodians. The mixed tub BARELY fruited...it popped out a few very very small stuggled shrooms. The cambo tub had a full healthy canopy, so you know his technique wasn't to blame.


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: shroomiin]
    #14483918 - 05/20/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Everyone of my grows is multispore, many jars, all mixed together.



Always same strain mixed, from the same syringe. When you start mixing prints, or even areas of the same print (a syringe is only a small area of one print usually) genetics may vary more and more, I dont know about that. But I have much experience in mixing jars of the same strain, works fine. I have on occasion mixed jars of different strains, always with poor results. I have done as I suggested and put 3 strains in one tub, but basically just three separate piles.


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


Edited by scatmanrav (05/20/11 02:59 PM)


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14484191 - 05/20/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have on occasion mixed jars of different species, always with poor results.




Yes this is what i was trying to say. My grows are primarily all multispore > WBS > Coir, coffee, verm, gypsum bulk spawn mono's.

I should say that when using the same print or strain, all is well. When mixing up colonized quarts of spawn consisting of different strain, i have only seen poor results from this.


Edited by shroomiin (05/20/11 06:31 PM)


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: shroomiin]
    #14484684 - 05/20/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Scatmanrav and shroomiin, you have mixed jars of different species in a single tray?  So, like psilocybe azurescens and psilocybe cubensis in one tray?

I can definitely see where that would lead to horrible results.... :eek:

EDIT: Of course, a woodlover and a dunglover in a tray would be a bad example - but what about cyans and cubes in the same tray?


Edited by Sillicybin (05/20/11 02:35 PM)


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14484828 - 05/20/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Sillicybin said:
Scatmanrav and shroomiin, you have mixed jars of different species in a single tray?  So, like psilocybe azurescens and psilocybe cubensis in one tray?

I can definitely see where that would lead to horrible results.... :eek:

EDIT: Of course, a woodlover and a dunglover in a tray would be a bad example - but what about cyans and cubes in the same tray?





No..haha

Ive never tried two stain tubs. Im just going off of what i have read on these boards. I looked around for quite a few hours trying to see results of mixed strain mono's as many people have mixed feelings on them. Many people SAY that it would work fine with no problems. A cube is a cube right? Well everyone who has actually DONE it, and posted pictures, as far as i know..there results sucked compared to normal single print spawn.

This topic is very confusing because there are so many variables. People get confused no matter how you put it because there are some variables to the argument;

there are many substrains on a single print. the genetics of a spore on one side of the print are different from the genetics of a spore on the other side, so theoretically mixing "strains" of cubes should work because all multispore is mixed strains, but for some reason this isnt the case. Probably what that dude ^^ right up there said. Genetics on a single print vary far less than genetics of two different cube prints.

Some people claim that the myc from one "strain"  will attack the other. but this is not true. RR claims that you CAN mix strains with no ill effects, and you shouldnt worry about what some dumbass decided to call the "strain"...they are all cube spores. So the argument is biased. Many people take what RR says as absolute truth, no offense to him he is very knowledgable and helpful, but ide rather go by the results that ive seen. every monotub ive ever seen with mixed strain spawn had shitty little struggled fruits.

I believe this is because all of the diff. types of cubes fruit at slightly different speeds..and this is what fucked up the whole lot of em. but this is just my theory. I'm not going to waste the spawn to try it myself. Ive made my decision...but the discussion of this matter will never end lol


Edited by shroomiin (05/20/11 06:32 PM)


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Re: What would happen if... [Re: shroomiin]
    #14484856 - 05/20/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Stoned moment, I meant strains, went back and edited.


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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