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ShadOWCrack
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: Bstsneverr]
#14430406 - 05/10/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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zzantium2999
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: ShadOWCrack]
#14432872 - 05/11/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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well back to the actual question. When do most of you think is to late for pinning, or when should I re-dunk, and maybe do it in ice-water to cold shock them?
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
#14432930 - 05/11/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What would be your purpose in cold shocking?
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zzantium2999
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14433030 - 05/11/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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steelmonkey said: What would be your purpose in cold shocking?
If you read above you'll see someone suggested it. I figured it might be a good idea to try and force pinning. I've added holes into my terrarium and added perlite. also, started misting. I think they might just be starting. I'm gonna try and add pics soon.
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
#14433052 - 05/11/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude no offense, but it seems to me that you need to spend a lot less time posting, and a lot more time utilizing the search function.
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steelmonkey
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: KrizzKaliko]
#14433108 - 05/11/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cold shocking only delays pinning Cubes are a tropical strain
Cold water is used or refridgerated because it simply lessens the chance of contaminating
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14433799 - 05/11/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cold shocking is when you get up with morning wood and shower with only cold water, when you don't have time to rub one out before work/school etc.
Seriously cold shocking cubes has no benefit at all, cubes are a tropical species and are never submitted to those temps when growing in the wild. Cold shocking cubes is misinformed outdated info. You can soak in cold water and the next day the water will be warmer than room temp because the myc gives off its own heat. Don't put in fridge unless you want to stall their growth or want to get some crazy contam from that left over in the back of the fridge from months ago that you forgot about, refrigerators are a bacterial breeding ground.
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14458921 - 05/15/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe I killed them. It's now been 17 days. After the 10th-11th day I dunked again (didn't cold shock,) and the mycelium still hasn't even grown over the verm. All I can figure is that there must have been too high a temp for the mycelium at one point. I know the temp got just under 100f accidentally. Maybe I killed it at the last min. Well I have other jars that Will be fully colonized in the next week. with the week of waiting after full colonization, that means I've got about 2 more weeks. If they haven't done anything by then I'll just chuck them. Right now I'm running the "EXACT same terrarium as the roger rabbit videos. Have a heater outside the terrarium. Got a 6500 kelvin light outside right next to the clear rubber maid tub/terrarium. Tons of air holes 60-80. I mist 2-3 times and fan 3-5 times. I just can't figure out why they aren't doing anything. The fucking temp and humidity are perfect. ARGH!!!
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
#14459160 - 05/15/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Be patient bro, if you know your humidity and temp are fine...the things are colonized...just let them be, keep fanning...keep misting...perhaps mist a little less and fan a little more.
I JUST had cakes that took over 12 days to start pinning...was thinking wtf whats with these things and went ahead and knocked up 16 more jars..but behold..THEY PIN.
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: Elevated]
#14459959 - 05/15/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was thinking the same thing. Also, what crossed my mind was crushing the cakes and turning them into three small casings. What do you guys think of crushing and casing? or ???
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
#14459979 - 05/15/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Havn't those poor cakes been through enough,the myc is probally stressed from all the changes.try letting them alone and just fan and mist on a regular basis and turn your attention to maybe starting some new cakes to get your mind off them....just a suggestion
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14460021 - 05/16/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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probably right. little fuckers are probably not pinning out of spite now. All pissed off with what I've been doing to them. Think I'm just gonna let them wait the next few weeks while I wait for my other cakes to colonize %110
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
#14460049 - 05/16/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats a stellar idea
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14460281 - 05/16/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Learn to pressure cook, cakes suck, lol this was my best flush from a cake, it was invitro and I have never gotten anything that was not invitro from a cake those were all invitro and the cake didn't even fully colonize. Damion50550's elementary coir tek, a PC, some quart gars, grain, gypsum, a mono, and a GLC or GTG is a good place to start. Dry ounces instead of carpel tunnel from the mister and sore popeye arms from fanning.
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ShadOWCrack
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14460441 - 05/16/11 02:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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right on bro. thats why i went to wbs lol iam just doing some cakes to test my lc's and fuck just something to do lol
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14461229 - 05/16/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: those were all invitro and the cake didn't even fully colonize.
wrong shaped jars, yo.
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: k00laid]
#14461276 - 05/16/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I always advocate starting with cakes for the following reasons, none of which yield has anything to do with, 12 cakes will give you MORE then enough doses to get your feet wet with:
-To learn the life cycle of Ps. cubensis If you do not know the growth parameters and life cycle growing a batch of cakes to start is in your best interest. Once you understand what cubes need to grow as far as moisture, misting, fanning, lighting, etc go it will be a lot easier to take care of bigger projects. IF on the other hand you do not have a grasp of cubes growth cycle you are more likely to make mistakes and not provide proper care for your bigger projects, which result in bigger failures.
-To learn the basics of sterile procedure If you cannot make and inoculate 12 BRF cakes under sterile conditions you have almost no hope of doing the same with grain jars. The simple procedures needed for growing BRF cakes instill the skills needed to eventually move onto grains, and other procedures in mycology that require a higher level of sterile technique.
-To keep costs low Making BRF cakes has to be the cheapest method of growing mushrooms for a beginner seeing as you do not have to invest in a PC. Making grain spawn is not all that much more expensive(Minus PC) but there is a bit of a price jump.
-To provide smaller amounts to trip on 12 BRF cakes can easily produce 1.5-3 ounces or more over 2 flush`s if grown using the proper materials and proper procedures for growth. Even if you get two ounces, that is still 16 3.5 gram doses for you and your friends, more then enough.
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HA HA HA (3.5 doses?) I'de be TRIPPIN BALLZ Anyhoo, I've got a PC. I've got WBS colonizing as we speak. just can't get these fuckers to grow.
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
#14462180 - 05/16/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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WBS is very hard to get right, you should get some winter rye or rye berries or similar grain. It holds water inside much better, it's easier to work with, and it makes your house smell like a whiskey brewery. Win Win Win
I threw out three fully colonized quarts of WBS today, nothing was wrong with them, WBS is just for the birds. Even with gypsum it will kill your palm trying to break it up.
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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14462216 - 05/16/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: WBS is very hard to get right, you should get some winter rye or rye berries or similar grain. It holds water inside much better, it's easier to work with, and it makes your house smell like a whiskey brewery. Win Win Win
I threw out three fully colonized quarts of WBS today, nothing was wrong with them, WBS is just for the birds. Even with gypsum it will kill your palm trying to break it up.
WBS seems to be very hard to get right for you, and some others. If hydrated correctly WBS works just as well as rye or wheat and is much cheaper. When hydrated properly it holds as much water as rye, as well as it has more inoculation points per gram of grain in comparison to rye.
I personally use hard wheat kernels as it is fairly cheap, clean and saves a BIT of prep time because you do not have to rinse as many times, and it dries evenly.
Also you should NEVER use your palms to break apart jars, if your jar breaks you can cut yourself terribly and require stitches. An inflated tire from a bicycle works well, and if worse comes to worse bang your jars against a phone book on an even surface.
What does not work for you Enig(For whatever reason) seems to work fine for hundreds of others.
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