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no pins...when should I give up?
    #14408403 - 05/06/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ok, here is the age old question. I birthed my jars 8 days ago (brf and pf-tec.) They are showing NO signs of pins. At what point  should I admit defeat and start a new batch? I heard it can take as long as 3 weeks, but found that  hard to believe. I know that there is a GREAT chance that I'm being impatient. So, if I don't get a useful answer. I think I'll wait the 3 weeks. I doubt this makes a difference (but it's really making me think that..."at least ONE" cake should be pinning,) All three cakes are different strains. 1 B+, 1-Ecuadorian, and 1 Amazonian.


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14408446 - 05/06/11 01:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if you post pics of your setup we can tell you if your doing anything wrong..  what kinda FC are you running?  how are you taking care of FAE?


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: wow]
    #14408454 - 05/06/11 02:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Eight days isnt all that long for the first flush, you're most likely just being a little impatient. But like Wow said, give us some info on your setup and we will be able to help you better.

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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: TheNameless]
    #14408469 - 05/06/11 02:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it took mine last batch of cakes almost eleven days to look like they were pinning.

is the myc even reconfiguring itself in an manner, fuzzy, spikey, anything.


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: wow]
    #14408494 - 05/06/11 02:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have a 3' wide 2' deep 2' tall tupperware fruiting chamber. I've been fanning 2-4 times daily (normally 3-4 but once  in a blue moon its jut 2 times daily.) The temp is floating from the lowest being 22c/71f to a max 29c/84f and the humidity floats from `-0 Rh. The minimums are because thats how low it goes after a fanning session. I also have perlite and I covered the whole operation with a thick, fire resistant blanket to hold in the heat from the portable liquid filled  radiator. SO...what do you guys think?


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14408503 - 05/06/11 02:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

nope. the mycelium isn't moving at all. I just started misting night. So, that could have ben t problem. I don't think I moistened the vermiculite that I rolled it in enough. I was extremely worried about contams so it took until now to get the courage to mist.


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14408507 - 05/06/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this is not good.

ditch the blanket.

does the tupperware have holes in it? Like several hundred?

and do you mist when you fan?

How much perlite? Should be like a five inch layer.

Also add light in the 6400 Kelvin range.


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14408589 - 05/06/11 03:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the blanket is the only thing that keeps the internal temperature high enough. The landlord is a heat Nazi so it's freezzing in my apartment. The perlite is a side thing because I have a sonic humidifier inside it. (sorry I  forgot to mention the humidifier.) Since that keeps the Rh at normally %80-%90 but goes down to %60 when I have to fan. Now air holes. I remembered right when I read your pot. I started  making  holes, then a phone call came in, and I  never finished putting holes in. I'm probably slowing the growth speed by doing that. I hear you grow nice meaty mushes that way. :wtfsonic:


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14408603 - 05/06/11 04:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So back to my question. When would someone say that there is no point left waiting, cause there ain't no pins coming? 3,4,5,6 weeks?


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14408800 - 05/06/11 06:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Build a proper SGFC, to the Tek and follow a fanning and misting regiment
daily. Even with temperatures that are a little colder (65-70F) things
will work out. If nothing more your fruits will develop a bit slower
but will tend to be a bit more dense.

You are tossing in to many variables, variations and improvisations by
the sound of it. A shot gun fruiting chamber when properly built will
provide the parameters needed for growing mushrooms.

Misting and fanning after causes the water to evaporate off your
cakes which is a major pinning trigger. If your provide the proper
environment your cakes should begin to pin in 1-2 weeks.

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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14408807 - 05/06/11 06:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Temperature is not a big factor. You NEED fresh air. That is why no pins. You need to ditch the blanket and put holes in the tub, or leave the lid cracked for a few days turned to the side.


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #14408949 - 05/06/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

how cold is it without the blanket?

it would be so much better to build a little heated FC if its really too cold

ive fruited cubes in a pretty consistent 55F or less environment and liked the results a lot

GOTTA drill holes in the FC. it will not produce humidity, or exchange necessary gasses properly.

youve got the cakes bathing in all their own waste right now (aside from your fanning) the air in there is still and stagnant without the holes

do it right, and you wont have to make strange modifications like a blanket


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: just me]
    #14408950 - 05/06/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dont mean anyway other than "right" is wrong
just saying, theres a right way to do it, and a wrong way
you can chock wrong ways into the "for science" bin when youre done
but you can do it right the first time if you want


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14408966 - 05/06/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

zzantium2999 said:
So back to my question. When would someone say that there is no point left waiting, cause there ain't no pins coming? 3,4,5,6 weeks?




try cold shocking it. That worked amazingly for me.


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14409171 - 05/06/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

zzantium2999 said:
So back to my question. When would someone say that there is no point left waiting, cause there ain't no pins coming? 3,4,5,6 weeks?




2-3 weeks


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: zzantium2999]
    #14409327 - 05/06/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

did u wait the 7 days after 100% before you birthed them? if u didnt they will sit there a week or so till they start to pin. Mine have taken a lil longer some times. good luck bro


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14409344 - 05/06/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

u need to mist/fan at LEAST 3 times a day. u can fan more than  3 time too just dont mist every time.

IME i fan like 5 times a day but only mist 2 times.

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cubes are forgiving too, u will get it down bro, just keep trying!
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    #14409387 - 05/06/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: luluzuluwoundtdou]
    #14410655 - 05/06/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You can fan your arm completely off if you want just make sure your RH stays in the 80-90 range,Just make sure you keep a happy medium between the two


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Re: no pins...when should I give up? [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14412533 - 05/06/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

THANKS EVRYONE! So I'm seing a couple more mistakes I had made here. The cakes were just fiinished (actualy could have used an extra few days.) Now  that I see ShadOWCrack saying I should have waited a week AFTER %100 colonisation, I ralised I was in to big a rush. Also I assumed that the cake would stop colonisinng and just grow fruits from the area that had colonised (I wanted an issolated culture of all three strains and put them in agar, then fruit proper from there.) Also, I see EvilMushroom666 was stressing how I need air exchange and misting. I wasn't misting until yesterday and reading above you can see how little air exchange was happening. I've drilled 30 holes around the bottom, remove the blanket, and started misting. This should show some results. I started this when it was -5c outside. Now its 10c-20c and since my landlord is a thermostat nazi, I've been having to improvise. I'll moniter the temp/humidity and keep adding holes for FAE until I notice it lowering the temp or humidity. Thanks again everybody!:grin:


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