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Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) * 5
    #14407925 - 05/05/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/quote-of-the-gop-debate-rep-ron-paul-defends-heroin-as-an-exercise-of-liberty/


While it took a little while for the Republican candidates attending tonight’s debate to get going, the sheer diversity on the panel guaranteed some spirited answers, paramount among them Rep. Ron Paul’s steadfast adherence to civil liberties, which somehow concluded with him supporting legalization of heroin to raucous applause– highlighting the thick tension between conservatives and libertarians on the GOP.

During a “lightning round” where candidates were asked to answer questions about the issues that would give them the most problems during the primaries, both libertarian candidates– Paul and former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson– were asked to defend their liberal stances on drugs. First was Rep. Paul, who Fox’s Chris Wallace confronted with his controversial position that drugs and prostitution should be legalized. His unapologetic response elicited cheers from the crowd, as he argues that, just as “you don’t have the First Amendment so you could talk about the weather,” civil liberties do not exist to protect personal rights upon which most agree. He later likened private freedoms like this to religious freedoms, prompting Wallace’s follow-up: “Are you suggesting that heroin and prostitution are an exercise of liberty?”

After tripping up a little, Rep. Paul replied “yes,” then found himself arguing in favor of legalizing heroin, asking, “if we legalize heroin tomorrow, is everyone is going use heroin? How many people here would use heroin if it were legal?” The question was greeted with cheers, to which Wallace replied with a smile, “I never thought heroin would get an applause in South Carolina.”

While Rep. Paul took the drug issue on from a philosophical perspective, libertarian bird-of-a-feather Johnson appealed to the empirical sensibilities of the audience. Describing the legalization issue as a “cost-benefit analysis,” Johnson threw out some facts on the “war on drugs”: “half of what we spend on law enforcement, the courts, and the prisons is drug-related… we’re arresting 1.8 million people a year in this country– we have the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world.” While this rhetoric didn’t have the “wow” factor of Rep. Paul’s hearty support of heroin, it highlighted the difference between primary and general election audiences to see how Paul’s simple arguments were met with cheers while Johnson’s, which take a bit more time to digest and dispatch any moral qualms with legalizing drugs, were met with silence.

The segment via Fox News below:

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14408014 - 05/05/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:awebig:

I :heart: ron paul

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: DeliciousVinyl]
    #14408048 - 05/05/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol so they didnt edit out people cheering this time?

so great:heart:


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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: the human abstract]
    #14408196 - 05/06/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I LOVE WHAT I'M HEARING :happyheart:

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14408199 - 05/06/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We have 2 running that are for getting the government out of our lives and keeping them away from our drug choices. Will the 2 hurt us by breaking our votes? Can we find common ground and vote for one? I know the US election is about the economy, but for me it's about legalization. I ask you all to forget everything else and lets get the government away from telling us what drugs we and our brothers can do without going to prison. I sick of all of my brothers being harassed and incarcerated for smoking herbs, are you?

Ron Paul 2012 all the way baby-


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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14408247 - 05/06/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:facepalm:

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After tripping up a little, Rep. Paul replied “yes,” then found himself arguing in favor of legalizing heroin, asking, “if we legalize heroin tomorrow, is everyone is going use heroin? How many people here would use heroin if it were legal?” The question was greeted with cheers, to which Wallace replied with a smile, “I never thought heroin would get an applause in South Carolina.”




LOL that is taken so far out of context...


the crowd didn't cheer to him asking "how many people here would use heroin if it were legal?"

the crowd cheered and laughed when paul made the point of- if heroin were legal i bet none of you would start using heroin, "OH NO heroins legal i need the protection of the government to stop myself from starting heroin!!"- thats when people cheered.


cool article, but LOL at how much they twisted the words of what was said.



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I ask you all to forget everything else and lets get the government away from telling us what drugs we and our brothers can do without going to prison.




although i agree that legalization is important, there are many more important issues at hand like the state of the economy and our increasingly ludicrous foreign policy.

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: blazenn]
    #14408372 - 05/06/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In the video Johnson got an applause too!, 2012 might be our year!


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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: blazenn]
    #14408731 - 05/06/11 06:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm so glad that the country got to see this!

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although i agree that legalization is important, there are many more important issues at hand like the state of the economy and our increasingly ludicrous foreign policy.




Legalization and taxation of drugs would boost our nations revenue tremendously. Theres an economy issue for ya.


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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: LSDylan]
    #14408840 - 05/06/11 06:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like sunset_mission is going to have to vote this year. :snoop:

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: blazenn]
    #14408991 - 05/06/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

gamer4life said:
I ask you all to forget everything else and lets get the government away from telling us what drugs we and our brothers can do without going to prison.




Quote:

blazenn said:
although i agree that legalization is important, there are many more important issues at hand like the state of the economy and our increasingly ludicrous foreign policy.




I have to disagree with you here blazenn. I, and I'm sure many others, feel that drug legalization is the single most important issue facing our country today. I'm sure you know the stats, but let me remind you of some; we have 5% of the worlds population, and 25% of the prisoners, most of whom are disadvantaged minorities. We spend billions of dollars a year, that we don't have and get from loans from China, on the law enforcement model of prohibition, money that could be used elsewhere to boost of flailing economy. And out of all the problems we face as a nation, none is more dangerous to our so talked about personal freedoms than drug prohibition. It transcends civil liberties and has the supporters violently oppressed by a moneyed elite. In my opinion, it is the most dangerous foe we face today, hands down. After we repeal our drug war, we need to correct our foreign policy and protect our environment, but for me at least the 500 pound guerilla is the war on drugs.

Edited by batman returns (05/06/11 08:06 AM)

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14409010 - 05/06/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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2012 might be our year!



It's all starting to come together now... There are all those 2012 stories, including the idea that in 2012 the earth will undergoe a big change in consciousness. With what we're seeing right now maybe that's true.


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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: LSDylan]
    #14409021 - 05/06/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Im for the legalization as well, but you really should look into how much money is invested into the legal system and the jobs and FACE the government would lose if they legalized anything.  Legalization would take power from our government which is exactly what they dont want to do.  The government is a business more than it is a governing body. I can give you an example of 2.4 mil they would lose and that is just in meazly fines for just mj charges.  Money is the driving force and legalization would not produce enough money.


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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: DoDahDay]
    #14409326 - 05/06/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Legalization would produce a lot of money with taxes. Also instead of spending all that money on the prison system we could use it towards a system that actually rehabilitates drug addicts which would create jobs. I agree it will be a fight cause so much law enforcement jobs do depend on drugs being illegal, but the fact that they do is just bullshit to begin with.

Also those jobs lost by legalization doesn't always mean those law enforcement officials are out of a job, they could just actually spend there time doing something useful.

Edited by Mycjunky (05/06/11 09:55 AM)

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: Mycjunky]
    #14409479 - 05/06/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ron paul 2012!!!

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    #14409492 - 05/06/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14409509 - 05/06/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its gotta happen.


it s just got to. 2012 man.. it seems like its all building up 2012. Change is happening..

I love it

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14409546 - 05/06/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I have to disagree with you here blazenn. I, and I'm sure many others, feel that drug legalization is the single most important issue facing our country today. I'm sure you know the stats, but let me remind you of some; we have 5% of the worlds population, and 25% of the prisoners, most of whom are disadvantaged minorities. We spend billions of dollars a year, that we don't have and get from loans from China, on the law enforcement model of prohibition, money that could be used elsewhere to boost of flailing economy. And out of all the problems we face as a nation, none is more dangerous to our so talked about personal freedoms than drug prohibition. It transcends civil liberties and has the supporters violently oppressed by a moneyed elite. In my opinion, it is the most dangerous foe we face today, hands down. After we repeal our drug war, we need to correct our foreign policy and protect our environment, but for me at least the 500 pound guerilla is the war on drugs.

@ batman returns

wow. u r the first person to say the exact same thing i have been discussing with my brother for the past year. it seems to me if u guys (USA) legalized drugs it would save billions in legal costs, save millions if not billions in foreign aid to other countries in the war on drugs, significantly reduce violent crime as well as organized crime, and generate billions in revenue annually. Not to mention that the violence in mexico would come almost completely to halt, i mean if theres no money involved, theres no reason to kill.

With all the revenue generated, green iniatives could be funded across ur  country, boosting your economy, and prove to a model for lesser developed countries on the rise.

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14409946 - 05/06/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mikehauncho said:
Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
its gotta happen.


it s just got to. 2012 man.. it seems like its all building up 2012. Change is happening..

I love it



yes, we might be watching our generation's defining moment....




Well 2011 IS the year where consciousness will be rapidly accelerating. The end of the Great Cycle (75,000) is near.

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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: davind_anthony]
    #14410013 - 05/06/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



Honestly I'm pretty impressed. I don't side with one group or another but republicans have been up to the most ridiculous bullshit recently. There is a reason they lost the last presidential election and Paul seems to be targeting that specific weakness.

Of course, it is doubtful that most or any of his campaign promises would be fulfilled, but his rhetoric is nice.

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