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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/quote-of-the-gop-debate-rep-ron-paul-defends-heroin-as-an-exercise-of-liberty/

While it took a little while for the Republican candidates attending tonight’s debate to get going, the sheer diversity on the panel guaranteed some spirited answers, paramount among them Rep. Ron Paul’s steadfast adherence to civil liberties, which somehow concluded with him supporting legalization of heroin to raucous applause– highlighting the thick tension between conservatives and libertarians on the GOP.
During a “lightning round” where candidates were asked to answer questions about the issues that would give them the most problems during the primaries, both libertarian candidates– Paul and former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson– were asked to defend their liberal stances on drugs. First was Rep. Paul, who Fox’s Chris Wallace confronted with his controversial position that drugs and prostitution should be legalized. His unapologetic response elicited cheers from the crowd, as he argues that, just as “you don’t have the First Amendment so you could talk about the weather,” civil liberties do not exist to protect personal rights upon which most agree. He later likened private freedoms like this to religious freedoms, prompting Wallace’s follow-up: “Are you suggesting that heroin and prostitution are an exercise of liberty?”
After tripping up a little, Rep. Paul replied “yes,” then found himself arguing in favor of legalizing heroin, asking, “if we legalize heroin tomorrow, is everyone is going use heroin? How many people here would use heroin if it were legal?” The question was greeted with cheers, to which Wallace replied with a smile, “I never thought heroin would get an applause in South Carolina.”
While Rep. Paul took the drug issue on from a philosophical perspective, libertarian bird-of-a-feather Johnson appealed to the empirical sensibilities of the audience. Describing the legalization issue as a “cost-benefit analysis,” Johnson threw out some facts on the “war on drugs”: “half of what we spend on law enforcement, the courts, and the prisons is drug-related… we’re arresting 1.8 million people a year in this country– we have the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world.” While this rhetoric didn’t have the “wow” factor of Rep. Paul’s hearty support of heroin, it highlighted the difference between primary and general election audiences to see how Paul’s simple arguments were met with cheers while Johnson’s, which take a bit more time to digest and dispatch any moral qualms with legalizing drugs, were met with silence.
The segment via Fox News below:
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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I ron paul
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: DeliciousVinyl]
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lol so they didnt edit out people cheering this time?
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: the human abstract]
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I LOVE WHAT I'M HEARING
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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We have 2 running that are for getting the government out of our lives and keeping them away from our drug choices. Will the 2 hurt us by breaking our votes? Can we find common ground and vote for one? I know the US election is about the economy, but for me it's about legalization. I ask you all to forget everything else and lets get the government away from telling us what drugs we and our brothers can do without going to prison. I sick of all of my brothers being harassed and incarcerated for smoking herbs, are you?
Ron Paul 2012 all the way baby-
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead] 1
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After tripping up a little, Rep. Paul replied “yes,” then found himself arguing in favor of legalizing heroin, asking, “if we legalize heroin tomorrow, is everyone is going use heroin? How many people here would use heroin if it were legal?” The question was greeted with cheers, to which Wallace replied with a smile, “I never thought heroin would get an applause in South Carolina.”
LOL that is taken so far out of context...
the crowd didn't cheer to him asking "how many people here would use heroin if it were legal?"
the crowd cheered and laughed when paul made the point of- if heroin were legal i bet none of you would start using heroin, "OH NO heroins legal i need the protection of the government to stop myself from starting heroin!!"- thats when people cheered.
cool article, but LOL at how much they twisted the words of what was said.
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gamer4life said: I ask you all to forget everything else and lets get the government away from telling us what drugs we and our brothers can do without going to prison.
although i agree that legalization is important, there are many more important issues at hand like the state of the economy and our increasingly ludicrous foreign policy.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: blazenn]
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In the video Johnson got an applause too!, 2012 might be our year!
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: blazenn]
#14408731 - 05/06/11 06:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm so glad that the country got to see this!
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blazenn said: although i agree that legalization is important, there are many more important issues at hand like the state of the economy and our increasingly ludicrous foreign policy.
Legalization and taxation of drugs would boost our nations revenue tremendously. Theres an economy issue for ya.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: LSDylan]
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Looks like sunset_mission is going to have to vote this year.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: blazenn]
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gamer4life said: I ask you all to forget everything else and lets get the government away from telling us what drugs we and our brothers can do without going to prison.
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blazenn said: although i agree that legalization is important, there are many more important issues at hand like the state of the economy and our increasingly ludicrous foreign policy.
I have to disagree with you here blazenn. I, and I'm sure many others, feel that drug legalization is the single most important issue facing our country today. I'm sure you know the stats, but let me remind you of some; we have 5% of the worlds population, and 25% of the prisoners, most of whom are disadvantaged minorities. We spend billions of dollars a year, that we don't have and get from loans from China, on the law enforcement model of prohibition, money that could be used elsewhere to boost of flailing economy. And out of all the problems we face as a nation, none is more dangerous to our so talked about personal freedoms than drug prohibition. It transcends civil liberties and has the supporters violently oppressed by a moneyed elite. In my opinion, it is the most dangerous foe we face today, hands down. After we repeal our drug war, we need to correct our foreign policy and protect our environment, but for me at least the 500 pound guerilla is the war on drugs.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
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AbstraKt_I_Am said: 2012 might be our year!
It's all starting to come together now... There are all those 2012 stories, including the idea that in 2012 the earth will undergoe a big change in consciousness. With what we're seeing right now maybe that's true.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: LSDylan]
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Im for the legalization as well, but you really should look into how much money is invested into the legal system and the jobs and FACE the government would lose if they legalized anything. Legalization would take power from our government which is exactly what they dont want to do. The government is a business more than it is a governing body. I can give you an example of 2.4 mil they would lose and that is just in meazly fines for just mj charges. Money is the driving force and legalization would not produce enough money.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: DoDahDay]
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Legalization would produce a lot of money with taxes. Also instead of spending all that money on the prison system we could use it towards a system that actually rehabilitates drug addicts which would create jobs. I agree it will be a fight cause so much law enforcement jobs do depend on drugs being illegal, but the fact that they do is just bullshit to begin with.
Also those jobs lost by legalization doesn't always mean those law enforcement officials are out of a job, they could just actually spend there time doing something useful.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: Mycjunky]
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Ron paul 2012!!!
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: mikehauncho]
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its gotta happen.
it s just got to. 2012 man.. it seems like its all building up 2012. Change is happening..
I love it
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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I have to disagree with you here blazenn. I, and I'm sure many others, feel that drug legalization is the single most important issue facing our country today. I'm sure you know the stats, but let me remind you of some; we have 5% of the worlds population, and 25% of the prisoners, most of whom are disadvantaged minorities. We spend billions of dollars a year, that we don't have and get from loans from China, on the law enforcement model of prohibition, money that could be used elsewhere to boost of flailing economy. And out of all the problems we face as a nation, none is more dangerous to our so talked about personal freedoms than drug prohibition. It transcends civil liberties and has the supporters violently oppressed by a moneyed elite. In my opinion, it is the most dangerous foe we face today, hands down. After we repeal our drug war, we need to correct our foreign policy and protect our environment, but for me at least the 500 pound guerilla is the war on drugs.
@ batman returns
wow. u r the first person to say the exact same thing i have been discussing with my brother for the past year. it seems to me if u guys (USA) legalized drugs it would save billions in legal costs, save millions if not billions in foreign aid to other countries in the war on drugs, significantly reduce violent crime as well as organized crime, and generate billions in revenue annually. Not to mention that the violence in mexico would come almost completely to halt, i mean if theres no money involved, theres no reason to kill.
With all the revenue generated, green iniatives could be funded across ur country, boosting your economy, and prove to a model for lesser developed countries on the rise.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: mikehauncho]
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realfuzzhead said: its gotta happen.
it s just got to. 2012 man.. it seems like its all building up 2012. Change is happening..
I love it
yes, we might be watching our generation's defining moment....
Well 2011 IS the year where consciousness will be rapidly accelerating. The end of the Great Cycle (75,000) is near.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: davind_anthony]
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Honestly I'm pretty impressed. I don't side with one group or another but republicans have been up to the most ridiculous bullshit recently. There is a reason they lost the last presidential election and Paul seems to be targeting that specific weakness.
Of course, it is doubtful that most or any of his campaign promises would be fulfilled, but his rhetoric is nice.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: twigsin]
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Change! Hope! Yes we ca.... *cough *cough
Reality, its a bitch.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: batman returns]
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batman returns said:
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gamer4life said: I ask you all to forget everything else and lets get the government away from telling us what drugs we and our brothers can do without going to prison.
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blazenn said: although i agree that legalization is important, there are many more important issues at hand like the state of the economy and our increasingly ludicrous foreign policy.
I have to disagree with you here blazenn. I, and I'm sure many others, feel that drug legalization is the single most important issue facing our country today. I'm sure you know the stats, but let me remind you of some; we have 5% of the worlds population, and 25% of the prisoners, most of whom are disadvantaged minorities. We spend billions of dollars a year, that we don't have and get from loans from China, on the law enforcement model of prohibition, money that could be used elsewhere to boost of flailing economy. And out of all the problems we face as a nation, none is more dangerous to our so talked about personal freedoms than drug prohibition. It transcends civil liberties and has the supporters violently oppressed by a moneyed elite. In my opinion, it is the most dangerous foe we face today, hands down. After we repeal our drug war, we need to correct our foreign policy and protect our environment, but for me at least the 500 pound guerilla is the war on drugs.
The most important issues facing this country are war and war! We need to scream this as loud as possible we need to stop the drug war and the imperialist wars. With all the millions of people this country has unjustly killed over the years -Vietnam, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan etcetera not to mention the massive amounts of money spent on imperialist war I would say you have a much much harder case to make. On the other hand look at all of the people imprisoned and oppressed in the US torture chambers. In addition the amount of money spent on incarceration and paramilitarizing the police largely due to the Drug war and all of the people profiteering form the drug war - police, probation officers, jail guards, district attorneys, lawyers, counselors, parole officers etcetera is a huge number and ridiculously undercounted.
Why dont we agree that war (Imperialist) and war (Drug) are the most important issues? A national coalition needs to be formed to destroy the United War Party and both wings - Democrat and Republican because those parties are unforgiveable for the crimes they have committed in the wars (Drug and Imperialist).
I have to say to all the people cheering because they see Ron Paul and Gary Johnson you are naive and fooling yourself. The Republican and Democrat parties are here to oppress us they will not be co-opted in any way. That is just the truth. The same thing happens with the naive Anti-War Democrat partisans who fell for Obama and /or Kucinich.
Anyone who really wants to destroy war and war and both of these parties speak up, lets organize and make this serious. We need the national coalition that on principle shuns both of these parties and organizes against war (Imperialist and Drug). Democrats and Republicans need not apply.
These 2 candidates will be pushed aside, you can take that to the bank, the only thing that could allow them to be on the big stage is near total economic collapse of this country and then they still won't win. These two parties are criminal corporate syndicates, and they have been that way, likely since their very inception. Don't fool yourself.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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I agree both parties are very corrupt. However I don't see why you'd call anyone naive for being happy to see two candidates that actually stand for real freedom and peace. I know the republican party will do everything it can to push Paul and Johnson out, and since most American's are to stupid to see what's really going on they don't stand a real chance.
However our political party system was designed so that parties evolve, and I do believe that if enough people are educated it is possible to change the system.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: Mycjunky]
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Mycjunky said: I agree both parties are very corrupt. However I don't see why you'd call anyone naive for being happy to see two candidates that actually stand for real freedom and peace. I know the republican party will do everything it can to push Paul and Johnson out, and since most American's are to stupid to see what's really going on they don't stand a real chance.
However our political party system was designed so that parties evolve, and I do believe that if enough people are educated it is possible to change the system.
As much as I would love to see such a thing to happen, it simply isn't realistic. Political power doesn't exist in thoughts and hopes, it exists in money, influence and the finger tips of whoever is in the position to count the votes.
To outline my point:
Political party A: receives 60% of the votes Political party B: receives 30% of the votes All others combine for: 10% of votes
Political part B wins the day!
If that doesn't make mathematical sense, then one only need consider who is counting the votes and the influence these individuals have to keep outsiders from becoming insiders. If an outsider should manage to get a large percentage of votes, or even legitimately win the election, all the oligarchs must do is lie. We all know they lie, we all know the raw information is out of our fingertips if its ever counted in the first place, and we all know they have motive to lie.
Now I'm not trying to be a downer, but don't get your hopes up on politics. There are things in life which can get better, history just isn't one of them
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Mycjunky said: I agree both parties are very corrupt. However I don't see why you'd call anyone naive for being happy to see two candidates that actually stand for real freedom and peace. I know the republican party will do everything it can to push Paul and Johnson out, and since most American's are to stupid to see what's really going on they don't stand a real chance.
I'm calling people naive who think this will translate into the Republican party turning against the drug war, those are the people I am calling naive. You are definitely one of those people given your statement below. This political system is not set up to educate or become enlightened that is the lie they teach to young people in school and to everyone on the corporate owned media propaganda systems. This system was set up to dominate and control and that is what it is doing and like the other poster has pointed out just look at the money. Even if you dont believe that how many centuries of despicable action by this government will it take before you are willing to declare it is a hopelessly corrupt system? The murder and domination has been ongoing since the original genocides.
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However our political party system was designed so that parties evolve, and I do believe that if enough people are educated it is possible to change the system.
This is especially naive if you believe the Republican or Democrat parties are the engines to make enlightened meaningful change happen. You will not co-opt those despicable murderous parties because they are set up to oppress. That is their purpose, nature, essence and raison de etre.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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So your honestly claiming the founding fathers setup the system in order to dominate and control us? I agree that is where we are at but that's not how the system was originally setup. There are many ways to stop corruption aside from totally destroying our current system.
I understand that currently the candidates are run by money, the media is run by money, it's all run by money and extremely bias all around continuing our current situation. It's not always been like that however. The two-party system was in affect back when we still had a foreign policy of isolationism. The system has evolved into a very corrupt system totally run by mainstream media, big business, and money. However that's not totally the fault of the two-party system there are many other factors at play that are manipulating the parties as well.
You do realize there were times neither party stood for anything they currently stand for, they change overtime, and they can change again if people actually get involved in politics. If not real force might be necessary but if we can't even get people to get out and fucking vote or take part in an election I'm doubting your gonna find very many people willing to actually fight. However if it does come to that, and it wouldn't surprise me if it did, I'll be there with you to overthrow the corrupt government we are stuck with. Until there's enough support for that though, I'm willing to try the next best thing that some do support.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: Mycjunky]
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So your honestly claiming the founding fathers setup the system in order to dominate and control us? I agree that is where we are at but that's not how the system was originally setup. There are many ways to stop corruption aside from totally destroying our current system.
I understand that currently the candidates are run by money, the media is run by money, it's all run by money and extremely bias all around continuing our current situation. It's not always been like that however. The two-party system was in affect back when we still had a foreign policy of isolationism. The system has evolved into a very corrupt system totally run by mainstream media, big business, and money. However that's not totally the fault of the two-party system there are many other factors at play that are manipulating the parties as well.
You do realize there were times neither party stood for anything they currently stand for, they change overtime, and they can change again if people actually get involved in politics. If not real force might be necessary but if we can't even get people to get out and fucking vote or take part in an election I'm doubting your gonna find very many people willing to actually fight.
This. While the current system is corrupt and pretty much shot to hell, we live in a society where we can have conversations like this...any society where such communication is allowed (or happens for that matter) will slowly work towards bettering itself. The mere fact we can look at the current state of things and realize that they are messed up is enough to start the slow process of change. So many people nowadays want an instant solution, but that doesn't exist. Any political policy or law will take years before its effects are fully seen. There is no instant fix, its a long and slow process to better humanity - and comparing where we are as a race now compared to a few thousand years ago, I'd say (in the long run), we're still on the right track even if we screw stuff up every now and then.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: focker919]
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focker919 said: This. While the current system is corrupt and pretty much shot to hell, we live in a society where we can have conversations like this...any society where such communication is allowed (or happens for that matter) will slowly work towards bettering itself. The mere fact we can look at the current state of things and realize that they are messed up is enough to start the slow process of change. So many people nowadays want an instant solution, but that doesn't exist. Any political policy or law will take years before its effects are fully seen. There is no instant fix, its a long and slow process to better humanity - and comparing where we are as a race now compared to a few thousand years ago, I'd say (in the long run), we're still on the right track even if we screw stuff up every now and then.
No, sorry simply having a society where conversations might change things, will not change things. The political system is very cognizant of stopping social change. When was the last time you heard somebody in your work place stand up for open space for political dialogue? The workplace is socially controlled and so are the schools however dont get me wrong I am fully for creating change that ends these despicable wars and that it is theoretically possible to open up social space but the barriers are huge and social control is well institutionalized.
A real solution is to end U.W.P United War Party (Democrat and Republican) based on principles. Until you have that movement started or a mass anti-war movement started you will accomplish nothing within the political system.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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dondoodle said: No, sorry simply having a society where conversations will change things will not change things. The political system is very cognizant of stopping social change. When was the last time you heard somebody in your work place stand up for open space for political dialogue? The workplace is socially controlled and so are the schools however dont get me wrong I am fully for creating change that ends these despicable wars and that it is theoretically possible to open up social space but the barriers are huge and social control is well institutionalized.
A real solution is to end U.W.P United War Party (Democrat and Republican) based on principles. Until you have that movement started or a mass anti-war movement started you will accomplish nothing within the political system.
Honestly I think were agreeing here...The current state of things must change, meaning the current political parties must die or change drastically. My point is that such change would be completely impossible if we couldn't talk about it in any way shape or form. Things have started changing increasingly faster since the dawn of the internet a bit over a decade ago, because no matter how much governing bodies try it is impossible to completely control. It also allows for complete strangers like you and I to exchange our ideals, which is the first step to creating this coalition of change. Like I said, shits messed up, but if we lacked the ability to recognize it we would never be able to change it.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: Mycjunky]
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Mycjunky said: So your honestly claiming the founding fathers setup the system in order to dominate and control us? I agree that is where we are at but that's not how the system was originally setup. There are many ways to stop corruption aside from totally destroying our current system.
Yes that is exactly what I am saying. That is why they had a senate appointed by governors and woman, blacks, and native people were disenfranchised.
The founding fathers were not a monolithic group but most all of them were rich white males willing to disenfranchise those who were not like them and put their financial interests above equality. I know you will cite the preamble but those words were belied by the acts in the constitution.
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I understand that currently the candidates are run by money, the media is run by money, it's all run by money and extremely bias all around continuing our current situation. It's not always been like that however. The two-party system was in affect back when we still had a foreign policy of isolationism. The system has evolved into a very corrupt system totally run by mainstream media, big business, and money. However that's not totally the fault of the two-party system there are many other factors at play that are manipulating the parties as well.
The foreign party of so called isolationism existed while the native people were being wiped out and war was being undertaken against the French, English and Mexico among other nations. That Isolationism is a terrible myth and fear mongering tool which both wings of the One United War Party use to their advantage.
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You do realize there were times neither party stood for anything they currently stand for, they change overtime, and they can change again if people actually get involved in politics. If not real force might be necessary but if we can't even get people to get out and fucking vote or take part in an election I'm doubting your gonna find very many people willing to actually fight. However if it does come to that, and it wouldn't surprise me if it did, I'll be there with you to overthrow the corrupt government we are stuck with. Until there's enough support for that though, I'm willing to try the next best thing that some do support.
I have to be repetitive and say voting for either of the war parties (democrat or republican) is actually voting for your enemy. I'm for legal political change but but I am also for protest too. I'm not even talking about violent change, although the state and UWP will both try to use violence against anyone who threatens their political and economic monopoly/duopoly. Peaceful change is possible but only when you have a mass movement and or political party that is rejecting the war parties both Democrat and Republican; based on principles.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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GO RON PAUL! & Son RAN PAUL!
I like they're aspects. Fin.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: focker919]
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dondoodle said: No, sorry simply having a society where conversations will change things will not change things. The political system is very cognizant of stopping social change. When was the last time you heard somebody in your work place stand up for open space for political dialogue? The workplace is socially controlled and so are the schools however dont get me wrong I am fully for creating change that ends these despicable wars and that it is theoretically possible to open up social space but the barriers are huge and social control is well institutionalized.
A real solution is to end U.W.P United War Party (Democrat and Republican) based on principles. Until you have that movement started or a mass anti-war movement started you will accomplish nothing within the political system.
Honestly I think were agreeing here...The current state of things must change, meaning the current political parties must die or change drastically. My point is that such change would be completely impossible if we couldn't talk about it in any way shape or form. Things have started changing increasingly faster since the dawn of the internet a bit over a decade ago, because no matter how much governing bodies try it is impossible to completely control. It also allows for complete strangers like you and I to exchange our ideals, which is the first step to creating this coalition of change. Like I said, shits messed up, but if we lacked the ability to recognize it we would never be able to change it.
Well if you truly agree with opposing both wings of the United War Party and opposing the drug war and imperialist wars, then I think we can work together and I am not talking just on the message board either.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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Holy shit! Never thought I'd see a GOP arguing for legal heroin... and so eloquently!
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
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pICKING UP SOME STEAM!!!!!!
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Satival said: Holy shit! Never thought I'd see a GOP arguing for legal heroin... and so eloquently!
he aint your average GOP candidate. He's libertarian, which is closer to conservative then liberal.
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Satival said: Holy shit! Never thought I'd see a GOP arguing for legal heroin... and so eloquently!
Yeah, they give you one or two candidates to keep people foolishly voting for a party which is oppressing you domestically and destroying millions of lives while slaughtering millions abroad. Then people are foolish enough to point to Ron Paul and say "look that's great" and then proceed to actually vote for the party which is oppressing them.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Fuzzhead - bullshit.
"Conservative" means a lot of things to a lot of people. Don't forget that the KKK and the folks who do and wish they could murder illegal immigrants in Mexico and some of the most unabashedly blind and non-critically thinking individuals this country knows - the Christians all vote Republican and consider themselves conservative.
Just because you're thinking of all the bad connotations of liberals (spend money on social programs that are BS and enact a bunch of legislation against issues like gun rights) doesn't mean that "Conservatives" are any closer to some "truth".
Both parties in this country suck. All parties all over the world suck. All of them offer you different percentages of your freedom in different sections of the pie. All of them divide us and make you see your neighbor, or the guy across town as someone that's "on the other team".
This country won't be free until government is abolished and enclaves are allowed to develop which mutually trade and respect each other and agree to peace. Different areas would have different rules but all would be based on a Voluntaryist basis, which is the minimal requirement of a society and can be defined as a social consensus to not initiate violence or force against other individuals or their property.
Some regions would be such abberations of this rule as to not be considered Voluntaryist at all anymore, but that would be the choice of the inhabitants of that region to define their own rules for living.
I'd choose to live in a community starting with Voluntaryist principles and remaining there. New laws could be passed with a 95-98% vote in favor through a system of direct democracy. I think this could help to deal with circumstances that may arise in the future that couldn't be foreseen at the time of creation of the enclave.
Either way, this shit doesn't work. Look at what these shitheads have done:
http://www.creditloan.com/blog/2008/10/30/americans-debt-to-income-ratio-as-compared-with-other-countries/
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://www.creditloan.com/blog/2009/06/05/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/
Government creates a new aristocratic class. Individuals that are in the public sector, but most especially governmental and law enforcement/security agencies earn incredible amounts of money for the "services" they provide, especially relative to the private sector, they are oftentimes permitted to behave in a manner that is not consistent with the law, and don't face consequences as a result of their actions. These "actions" include and in some cases surpass murder and accidental homicide, in some cases including torture -
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Resisting with violence isn't the answer. If you cut off the head of the hydra, two will grow in its place.
Instead, don't feed the troll. Stop paying the federal government and it *will* go away. Don't pay whatever taxes you can get away with.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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If anyone is still unsure that real liberty works just look at this very issue. Why should freedom only work in some places and not in others? True Freedom is the answer to EVERY single problem we face. Obama will not stop the drug war. Ron Paul will.
If we do not embrace the philosophy of liberty and essentially the non-violence axiom we are surely going to destroy ourselves, But, If we could somehow turn the masses to have a trust in natural rights and free markets the reward will be a intellectual renaissance, an explosion of ideas and progress that will soar us thousands of years into the future just as it did when we embraced these ideas in America before and brought about the industrial revolution. We need to realize that governance is simply and literally slavery and hinders any sort of positive human achievement and must be abolished or serious destruction will plague us in every way imaginable economically, environmentally, militarily, and socially.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
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Humility said: Fuzzhead - bullshit.
"Conservative" means a lot of things to a lot of people. Don't forget that the KKK and the folks who do and wish they could murder illegal immigrants in Mexico and some of the most unabashedly blind and non-critically thinking individuals this country knows - the Christians all vote Republican and consider themselves conservative.
Just because you're thinking of all the bad connotations of liberals (spend money on social programs that are BS and enact a bunch of legislation against issues like gun rights) doesn't mean that "Conservatives" are any closer to some "truth".
Both parties in this country suck. All parties all over the world suck. All of them offer you different percentages of your freedom in different sections of the pie. All of them divide us and make you see your neighbor, or the guy across town as someone that's "on the other team".
This country won't be free until government is abolished and enclaves are allowed to develop which mutually trade and respect each other and agree to peace. Different areas would have different rules but all would be based on a Voluntaryist basis, which is the minimal requirement of a society and can be defined as a social consensus to not initiate violence or force against other individuals or their property.
Some regions would be such abberations of this rule as to not be considered Voluntaryist at all anymore, but that would be the choice of the inhabitants of that region to define their own rules for living.
I'd choose to live in a community starting with Voluntaryist principles and remaining there. New laws could be passed with a 95-98% vote in favor through a system of direct democracy. I think this could help to deal with circumstances that may arise in the future that couldn't be foreseen at the time of creation of the enclave.
Either way, this shit doesn't work. Look at what these shitheads have done:
http://www.creditloan.com/blog/2008/10/30/americans-debt-to-income-ratio-as-compared-with-other-countries/
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://www.creditloan.com/blog/2009/06/05/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/
Government creates a new aristocratic class. Individuals that are in the public sector, but most especially governmental and law enforcement/security agencies earn incredible amounts of money for the "services" they provide, especially relative to the private sector, they are oftentimes permitted to behave in a manner that is not consistent with the law, and don't face consequences as a result of their actions. These "actions" include and in some cases surpass murder and accidental homicide, in some cases including torture -
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Resisting with violence isn't the answer. If you cut off the head of the hydra, two will grow in its place.
Instead, don't feed the troll. Stop paying the federal government and it *will* go away. Don't pay whatever taxes you can get away with.
dude wtf are you talking about? Ron Paul is more conservative than any other GOP candidate, just because most redneck godloving GOP people say they are conservative, theyre not truly. Neither are most of the other GOP candidates, ROn PAUL is true conservative. He wants to get rid of the department of education, CIA, Drug Laws... he's so conservative most conservatives cant even understand it.
Just because the majority of conservatives are retards doesnt mean that they change the true definition of conservative..
And i didnt say being conservative or liberal is closer to the truth, I just said that Paul is most definitely closer to conservative than he is liberal..
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Well in that context I fully understand what you're talking about.
It can be troublesome to try and use a word properly when it's been hijacked however. This exists of "conservative" "communist/socialist" and "anarchist"/"anarchy".
All of these terms, as they are defined, mean something VERY different from their most commonly perceived/socially accepted meanings.
Ron Paul can be considered conservative in that he IS in fact "conservative" in his exercise of government in order to...well do pretty much anything.
But EVERYONE knows that "Conservative" means something VERY different from Ron Paul. It "means" warmonger, immigrant and nig hater, it means giving huge tax cuts to big business while taxing "the little guy" (more like the Middle Class), when in reality taxes are slavery and no one should be forced to pay.
"Conservative" has a perceived meaning now and it isn't what it used to be which can make it hard to talk about the concept you're describing.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: Humility]
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treutrue. Its insane man, and when Paul talks about how conservative he is and how conservatives used to not vote for wars or to increase spending they dont know how to react.
He's insane man, excerpt from his website
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He has never voted to raise taxes. He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. He has never voted to raise congressional pay. He has never taken a government-paid junket. He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act. He voted against regulating the Internet. He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program. He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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ron said it during the debate. we need to default back to the constitution and start over. unfourtunately the only way that someone like ron paul will ever win preident is he gets enough people to stand behind him and excersize there 2nd amendment rights.
oh yeah, then all those angry guntoting people have to be willing to put their trust in him, and hope he really does have the values he says he does and doesnt become a tyrant.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
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TheMacDaddyLongLeg said: If anyone is still unsure that real liberty works just look at this very issue. Why should freedom only work in some places and not in others? True Freedom is the answer to EVERY single problem we face. Obama will not stop the drug war. Ron Paul will.
If we do not embrace the philosophy of liberty and essentially the non-violence axiom we are surely going to destroy ourselves, But, If we could somehow turn the masses to have a trust in natural rights and free markets the reward will be a intellectual renaissance, an explosion of ideas and progress that will soar us thousands of years into the future just as it did when we embraced these ideas in America before and brought about the industrial revolution. We need to realize that governance is simply and literally slavery and hinders any sort of positive human achievement and must be abolished or serious destruction will plague us in every way imaginable economically, environmentally, militarily, and socially.
2012 has a solution for us! RON PAUL REVOLUTION!
You claim governance itself is the problem then you say to vote for Ron Paul and the Republican wing of the United War party. Anyone who believes governance in and of itself is the problem is an absolute nut. You contradicted yourself and are asking people to vote for the war party which is murdering people and enslaving them for drugs in this country and around the globe. This is naivety, a serious lack of basic facts and an nonobjective grasp on the history of the Republican party on your part.
Serious education and deprogramming is needed for the Ron Paul cult members who are unable to recognize that they are voting for their enemy - the Republican wing of the U.W.P -United War Party (Democrat and Republican).
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: mikehauncho]
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trscstghst said: unfourtunately the only way that someone like ron paul will ever win preident is he gets enough people to stand behind him and excersize there 2nd amendment rights.
You do realize we vote for the next president, no amount of violence will put a man into the presidents seat... a dictator could overrun the us but he wouldn't be our president
There already is a dictatorship in place- its large corporate interests - finance, war profiteers, pharma, agrobusiness, banking etcetera and the oligarchs - Eli Brand, Bill Gates. The filthy rich and transnational corporations have a dictatorship they run using the Democrat and Republican wings of the U.W.P - United War Party, as their tools of oppression.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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so stupid man. Shows how much you know about paul. Paul is grouped in with the GOP by default! why? because he is the only one who truly holds onto conservative values. He in the only strict constitutionalist, the only one who has never voted to raise taxes, never voted for war except to get Bin Laden directly after 9/11, he has never voted for a congressional pay raise, e wants our banking system to be audited and our central bank essentially done away with
I dont think you have any idea about what you are talking about, just because the rest of the GOP candidates are just neo-con pro-war douchies who dont hold onto conservative values whatsoever doesnt mean paul is part of some "war machine" because hes truly very conservative.
He is so conservative, Fox is scared shitless about this guy. They know he is the only one who truly wants change and has the power and idea's to bring it.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Seriously guys, I don't see him either getting the Republican nod and/or winning the election. His views are too extreme to ever do that. He's far too conservative for my tastes, I'll tell you that.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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realfuzzhead said: so stupid man. Shows how much you know about paul. Paul is grouped in with the GOP by default! why? because he is the only one who truly holds onto conservative values. He in the only strict constitutionalist, the only one who has never voted to raise taxes, never voted for war except to get Bin Laden directly after 9/11, he has never voted for a congressional pay raise, e wants our banking system to be audited and our central bank essentially done away with
Yes, that is right Paul is grouped in with the Republican party because he is a Republican and his party has for 180 years been murdering and killing people in imperialist wars and is the most vocal proponent of the drug war. Someday you will understand this basic and obvious reality.
Also for the Constitution cult members the constitution has allowed all of these injustices to occur so save me all this rhetoric about following the constitution. The constitution has allowed the supreme court to state there is no price ceiling on elections in this country, highest bidder will win 95% of the time, now those are results that the huge transnational corporations, oligiarchs, U.W.P partisans(Democrat and Republican)and filthy rich can live with. Now that is success.
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I dont think you have any idea about what you are talking about, just because the rest of the GOP candidates are just neo-con pro-war douchies who dont hold onto conservative values whatsoever doesnt mean paul is part of some "war machine" because hes truly very conservative.
Look you really need to understand that terms often and especially in this case do not identify reality. All of Ron Paul's fellow war party members will be claiming they are conservative too but they will praise the imperialist wars and drug war and vote accordingly. Ron Paul is a member of the Republican wing of the U.W.P and the only thing he really does is let a bunch of naive people point to him as a reason to keep voting for a party which carries out all kinds of crimes against humanity, the earth and animals. You might as well be arguing that Ron Paul is a true martian because your conservative term is meaningless in the face of the reality that surrounds him.
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He is so conservative, Fox is scared shitless about this guy. They know he is the only one who truly wants change and has the power and idea's to bring it.
Yeah fox news actually wants him on the small stage, that is why he was part of their little stage debate. Your naivey knows no bounds, you believe Ron Paul is going to change the essence and reasoning of being of the Republican party? So go ahead and tell me what do you think he will get 10% of the vote this year? Na I'll go ahead and say it will be like 7% a solid seven percent and you are naive enough to think he will change the corporate oligarch war party? That is a disconnect from reality.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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you obviously dont listen to Ron Paul. Seriously.. if you actually listened to him talk to the FED ans talk about our money supply and talk about going to war and talk about the nanny state you'd realize HE ISNT ANYTHING LIKE THE OTHER REPUBLICANS. Seriously how is he like them?
for one he isnt sponsored by corporations, two FOX hates him! which is good, it means he doesnt want the status quo. He DOESNT want all of our money supply controlled by one , unaudited central bank, he has voted against every fucking war! he is a NONINTERVENTIONIST
do you know what that means? do you know that being a non-interventionist means? NO MORE FOREIGN AID, NO MORE POLICING THE WORLD. just because the other GOP candidates dont know what it means to be truly fiscally conservative doesnt mean Ron Paul is anything like the typical GOP candidate.
So tell me this, you would seriously rather have the same old bullshit charade going on supported by all the Mainstream media and all this hype bullshit based around two candidates who arent going to change ANYTHING? theyre not going to do anything about the wars, or about spending at home, or about the monetary supply,. or about the drug war..
Why not Ron Paul? im not asking you to tell me what you think the people of america will vote for, im asking you. Why not Ron Paul. You havnt said anything about him, only about typical GOP candidates and he IS NOT one of them
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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if youd actually realize that he is TRULY conservative, not like the other douchebags you wouldnt question why he is running for conservatives. Republicans have throughout history been non-interventionist, just because the recent GOP presidents havnt been doesnt mean that Ron Paul is part of some NWO plot to keep the wars going.
Seriously man you are talking out of your ass, i dare you to go look up RP's voting record in congress. You'd be amazed how incoruptable and how strictly this man follows the constitution
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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realfuzzhead said: if youd actually realize that he is TRULY conservative, not like the other douchebags you wouldnt question why he is running for conservatives. Republicans have throughout history been non-interventionist, just because the recent GOP presidents havnt been doesnt mean that Ron Paul is part of some NWO plot to keep the wars going.
Seriously man you are talking out of your ass, i dare you to go look up RP's voting record in congress. You'd be amazed how incorruptible and how strictly this man follows the constitution
I label you a Ron Paul cult member unable to understand Ron Paul is a member of the Republican wing of the U.W.P.
How absurd of you to talk about something you think is a principle - being conservative and which is of course not at all a principal in anyway shape or form, and then tell people to vote for a Republican. If Ron Paul truly had any real principles he would not be in the Republican Party supporting all the crimes the Republicans commit.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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he doesnt support their crimes! he votes against them! and dude he is labeled as libertarian but he has to somewhat call himself GOP because if not he would never be allowed in thier debates and would never ever have a chance at presidency.
He's not trying to cut ALL government, he is giving the states more right and putting faith back in the free market. Ive grown up in a very liberal family and in a very liberal state but his idea's still make sense to me. We will still have strong property rights, strong police force, a military capable of more than defending our nation.
he is different than the other "conservatives", and he has stated exactly what he wants to do instead of just the same ol' right-left rhetoric
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Horrible article, but thanks for posting video.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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Ron Paul runs as a Republican because he has tried as an independent before and decided that it is to difficult to run independently and so he is trying to change the republican party. We've already gone over this, the party's stances on issues can change, it will take educating people but they have changed hugely in the past and will again.
Currently there are to many brainwashed people who go along with all the fear mongering. When people realize how wrong the majority of Republicans are they will begin to look for candidates that want to change that. Originally Conservative meant fiscally conservative, wanting a weak national government, low taxes because the governments low spending. Obviously it is far from that but when people wake up and realize we went from having a party for lowering the power of the federal government and one wanting to increase it's power to having both party's increasing government control under different "goals" things will actually change.
Even when the constitution was just made the two party's that sprung up were focused on either lowering or raising power of the federal government. Instead now we have Republicans raising it's power for "security and morals" and Democrats increasing it for "healthcare and to save the environment". All that needs to happen is people need to see the mistake in thinking that has occurred and fix it.
I know plenty of older people that still blindly follow the republican party no matter how insane they actually sound. I can't even stand talking to them because there so close minded. So I don't believe the voting system is actually being rigged there's just to many idiots that wont admit there wrong until they've put us in a deep hole.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: Mycjunky]
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Mycjunky said: Ron Paul runs as a Republican because he has tried as an independent before and decided that it is to difficult to run independently and so he is trying to change the republican party. We've already gone over this, the party's stances on issues can change, it will take educating people but they have changed hugely in the past and will again.
Yes, the absurd idea of changing the corporate WAR Party who's goal is to look out for corporate interests using war as a tool to that end is about as dumb as can be. Ron Paul at best is a naive but well meaning activist who believes working with the corporate war party is the way to go. A more accurate description of Ron Paul is that he is an opportunist politician without true principles who supports the murderous things the Republican party does with his presence IN that party.
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Currently there are to many brainwashed people who go along with all the fear mongering. When people realize how wrong the majority of Republicans are they will begin to look for candidates that want to change that.
Ya, sure there are a lot of brainwashed people in the Republican party no disagreement there, but Ron Paul is assuring that few people motivated enough to fight the corporate war party stay well within the Republican party and are fully co-opted.
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Originally Conservative meant fiscally conservative, wanting a weak national government, low taxes because the governments low spending. Obviously it is far from that but when people wake up and realize we went from having a party for lowering the power of the federal government and one wanting to increase it's power to having both party's increasing government control under different "goals" things will actually change.
Yeah so called conservatives have been supporting the drug war and imperialist wars for centuries so I pretty much agree with you on that point.
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Even when the constitution was just made the two party's that sprung up were focused on either lowering or raising power of the federal government. Instead now we have Republicans raising it's power for "security and morals" and Democrats increasing it for "healthcare and to save the environment". All that needs to happen is people need to see the mistake in thinking that has occurred and fix it.
Ok, now this is the point I want people to focus on because it is very important. In real logistical and political terms, what is more likely? That you will take over a party who's goal is to care for corporate and oligarch interests through any means necessary including caging people for plants and murdering millions for lies and imperialist wars? Or that you can create a party which has as it's main principles stopping Drug wars and Imperialist wars? Not to mention people of true principles do not associate themselves with their enemies anymore than they need to. Why is Ron Paul not calling out the Republican Party as the enemy of humanity, the planet and Animals? I dare all the naive pro Republican War Party Ron Paul followers and all scum pro Democrat War Party followers to answer this question.
And all of those parties have supported genocide of the native people and imperialist wars against mexico. Jefferson that piece of trash was looking out for the his own slave master ass and rest of the slave economy when he refused to support the African people in the Republic of Haiti when the slaves did the right thing and slaughtered a bunch of the former slave masters.
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I know plenty of older people that still blindly follow the republican party no matter how insane they actually sound. I can't even stand talking to them because there so close minded. So I don't believe the voting system is actually being rigged there's just to many idiots that wont admit there wrong until they've put us in a deep hole.
You know what I am far more concerned about the people this country has murdered and caged than I am about the oppressors, which includes the voters. I don't even think it is wise to say "us" when talking about the imperialist and drug war supporters. If there is real divide in this country that needs to be exploited for justice and freedom it is the anti-war partisans (anti-drug war, anti-imperialist war) vs. the war partisans (pro-drug war, pro-imperialist wars). Fuck all pro drug war and pro imperialist war partisans they are my enemy and that goes for everyone.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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dondoodle.
you sir are a fucking idiot. Like seriously what shithole mental asylum did you escape from?
Its very fucking obvious why RP is running for the republicans, it had NOTHING TO DO WITH A CONSPIRACY TO START WAR OR TO DECIEVE PEOPLE, its because the only way to get some media attention is to be part of presidential debates and he has to be republican to do that
you dont understand that RONNPAUL is a true conservative, i dont know why but you obviously cannot understand this,
and he is calling them out silly pants, every debate he clearly contradicts their statements and he always says bring the troops home and to NOT INTERVENE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES PROBLEMS, Fox news only gives him 30seconds and always cuts him off, he is not your typical GOP so stop saying he is
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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You claim governance itself is the problem then you say to vote for Ron Paul and the Republican wing of the United War party. Anyone who believes governance in and of itself is the problem is an absolute nut. You contradicted yourself and are asking people to vote for the war party which is murdering people and enslaving them for drugs in this country and around the globe. This is naivety, a serious lack of basic facts and an nonobjective grasp on the history of the Republican party on your part.
Serious education and deprogramming is needed for the Ron Paul cult members who are unable to recognize that they are voting for their enemy - the Republican wing of the U.W.P -United War Party (Democrat and Republican).
Actually anyone who believes they can control or claim ownership over another human being is a nut and more than likely a psychopath and definatly a narcissist.
Ron paul and the freedom movement have nothing more to do with the republican party other than the label that it is. You want to bash republicans when democrats are equally war hawkish just as republicans are equally socialist and big government. There really is zero difference between both parties.
It doesn't take long for any rational human being to realize that theft, manipulation, and deception offer little if any protection or security, or even prosperity which government claims for its existance. You can not name me one excuse for government. Anything government offers can be replaced and done better through the free market and the freedom of individuals and private business owners.
How is it a contradiction to elect a statesman who advocates freedom? which is what I just said I wanted.
There are only 3 ways to bring about a free society where liberty can take hold and that is Revolution, Agorism, or political action.
Violent revolution never works, It is simply taking out the largest monopoly so the next most powerful entity with the most resources and funds will step in. This has happened with every revolution to date. So no I do not believe violence is the way to go. And how could you justify violence to begin with if you are promoting humanitarian philosophies? No this route does nothing for our cause.
Agorism is going to be very hard to acomplish as well because the government will and has already stepped in to stop it right in its tracks.
In fact the only way we are to ever achieve any kind of peace and prosperity is through education. Regardless of what you think, how society is ran or not ran is always discussed through politics. Those of us who want real freedom are not trying to split people apart or make enemies We are trying to bring people together, and only freedom allows this. Political action = nonviolent revolution through education. This is the only way we will ever bring about real change.
you have a lot to learn about us, and we are more than a label or part of some party that you so carelessly judge us by. Do some research and you will find that we are correct 100% of the time. We have the answers. It is simple, it is slavery, and it is easily abolished.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Its very fucking obvious why RP is running for the republicans, it had NOTHING TO DO WITH A CONSPIRACY TO START WAR OR TO DECIEVE PEOPLE, its because the only way to get some media attention is to be part of presidential debates and he has to be republican to do that
You are quite dense. I am not saying Ron Paul is part of the conspiracy, I am saying he is a pawn and opportunist being manipulated and used by the Republican Party. I am also saying if he truly had principles he would abandon the Republican party for all of the crimes it has committed but he either 1. cares more about his lifetime salary and pension than antiwar principles or 2. he is naive enough to believe that he is doing more good in the Republican Party than outside of it.
Only when people build a mass movement and or political party opposing the Republican and Democrat wing of the criminal heinous disgusting criminal syndicate United War Party will you be able to defeat that party. From within is a waste of time and that was proven in 2008. What did Ron Paul win in 2008? That is all he will win in 2012. Likewise look at all the moronic Democrats who voted for Barak Obama because they thought he was some sort of pragmatic anti-war alternative choice to Hillary Clinton. I mean the absolute idiocy of voting for a pro-war party candidate. That is almost what the Ron Paul cult members are doing voting for a Republican wing candidate of the United War Party. What utter self delusion and lack of moral principles the Ron Paul people have.
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you dont understand that RONNPAUL is a true conservative, i dont know why but you obviously cannot understand this,
and he is calling them out silly pants, every debate he clearly contradicts their statements and he always says bring the troops home and to NOT INTERVENE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES PROBLEMS, Fox news only gives him 30seconds and always cuts him off, he is not your typical GOP so stop saying he is
When Ron Paul says such soft shit as "we should not interfere in other nations business" you think that is a taking a hard line against imperialst war? Rhetorically Ron Paul is softer than baby shit and that extends to what he says about the drug war too.
Ron Paul fully supports elections being bought by the highest bidder,citizens United etcetera. he is a typical Republican in that sense. What a utter moron he is for believing you can stop the drug war or imperialist wars while still allowing the political system to be bought. I want to thank you for reinforcing this lesson because in a way I am making the same stupid mistake Ron Paul is by focusing on the Drug War and Imperialist without focusing on the link to money. So in that sense I am making the same moronic mistake Ron Paul is however I sure will not ever vote Republican or Democrat ever again my life because I have true principles and I know better than to vote for my enemy. Do not vote for the U.W.P.
Ron Paul is an ideologue lunatic who stands for the right of corporate, oligarch and the rich to buy elections. What an absolute nut he is in that sense, a Republican War Party nut.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
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TheMacDaddyLongLeg said: [quote=dondoodle]You claim governance itself is the problem then you say to vote for Ron Paul and the Republican wing of the United War party. Anyone who believes governance in and of itself is the problem is an absolute nut. You contradicted yourself and are asking people to vote for the war party which is murdering people and enslaving them for drugs in this country and around the globe. This is naivety, a serious lack of basic facts and an nonobjective grasp on the history of the Republican party on your part.
Serious education and deprogramming is needed for the Ron Paul cult members who are unable to recognize that they are voting for their enemy - the Republican wing of the U.W.P -United War Party (Democrat and Republican).
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Actually anyone who believes they can control or claim ownership over another human being is a nut and more than likely a psychopath and definatly a narcissist.
The state has proven it can control ownership of humans. I might agree with your sentiment if you word it differently but ownership over young people and prisoners has been established. You might not like it and in the case of young people and some so called crimes I agree with your sentiment but control and ownership has been established.
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Ron paul and the freedom movement have nothing more to do with the republican party other than the label that it is. You want to bash republicans when democrats are equally war hawkish just as republicans are equally socialist and big government. There really is zero difference between both parties.
On the large issues I agree with you. Thee Republicans and Democrats wings of the UWP both support war, murderous mercenaries around the globe, racism, colonialism, the rights of national and global capital monopolization and the Federal Reserve banking system.
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It doesn't take long for any rational human being to realize that theft, manipulation, and deception offer little if any protection or security, or even prosperity which government claims for its existance. You can not name me one excuse for government. Anything government offers can be replaced and done better through the free market and the freedom of individuals and private business owners.
Here you show yourself to be extremist nut. I fully support prisons for assault, murder and violent rape. Public parks and roadways I support those. I would support tax collection but so much of that money is used for the war and the police state. Until the wars are stopped however I don't support tax collection.
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How is it a contradiction to elect a statesman who advocates freedom? which is what I just said I wanted.
This makes you look dumb. You want to elect a STATESMAN while advocating the abolishment of the state and it's political system? How many times do I have to point out this absurd contradiction? Of course this is akin to what Ron Paul advocates on a lot of things so I understand how you can feel affinity for the man. His and your contradictions are glaringly obvious.
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There are only 3 ways to bring about a free society where liberty can take hold and that is Revolution, Agorism, or political action.
Violent revolution never works, It is simply taking out the largest monopoly so the next most powerful entity with the most resources and funds will step in. This has happened with every revolution to date. So no I do not believe violence is the way to go. And how could you justify violence to begin with if you are promoting humanitarian philosophies? No this route does nothing for our cause.
Violent revolution does work, it just does not meet all of it's goals and the price is often too high to pay. When the state is out of control violence remains the right of the people and the oppressed to free themselves.
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Agorism is going to be very hard to acomplish as well because the government will and has already stepped in to stop it right in its tracks.
In fact the only way we are to ever achieve any kind of peace and prosperity is through education. Regardless of what you think, how society is ran or not ran is always discussed through politics. Those of us who want real freedom are not trying to split people apart or make enemies We are trying to bring people together, and only freedom allows this. Political action = nonviolent revolution through education. This is the only way we will ever bring about real change.
With your comments about "no reason for the existence of government" you are advocating agorism yourself.
Nonviolent action almost always or usually if you prefer leads to violence that is a fact. When protesting the state will commit violence against protesters. Protesters defending themselves from assault is a right that should never be relinquished. Education is a huge part of the solution obviously but so is protest and the right to self defense and self preservation when you are acting in a just manner.
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you have a lot to learn about us, and we are more than a label or part of some party that you so carelessly judge us by. Do some research and you will find that we are correct 100% of the time. We have the answers. It is simple, it is slavery, and it is easily abolished.
That's one thing you are absolutely correct on, I judge all Ron Paulists by the party they vote for, and that party is committing unconscious and enduring crimes. I will never support the Republican or Democrat wings of the United War Party because I have moral principles and a clear vision of the consequences of such action by myself and the masses.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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For what it's worth, I believe Ron Paul is still registered as a Libertarian, even though he is running under the Republican bill.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: D.M.T]
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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I very much like Ron Paul's stance on drugs, but that's about all I like him for. States rights arguments are tired imo, not saying that states shouldn't have rights, but every time I hear about states rights it's an argument used for legalized oppression. For example, Ron Paul takes a states rights approach for gay marriage, where states should be able to decide whether gays can get married. Why? It's either okay or it's not okay, what insight does the state have that the feds don't? And when it comes to taxes... governments don't run without money. We already owe over ten trillion dollars to other countries, so we're going to not have taxes and pay them back... how? Ron Paul, and even many of the other Republicans, seem to think that America is the same power that we were thirty years ago. We're not nearly as good as we used to be, and if we don't watch out we're gonna be a third world country really fast. Especially if we default on our national debt. And isolationism isn't going to work in our globalized society.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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All other points in this debate aside, I would welcome anyone to demonstrate how business will police itself with regards to the environment. There's more than two hundred years of history just in this country-the U.S.-showing the opposite.
There ARE some legitimate functions of government and I'm as certain as a person can be that safeguarding natural resources is one of them.
RP does have a stance on the prohibition of various "drugs" that I could support. But from what I can tell of the man, he would fail quite miserably in other important areas.
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he just doesnt want the federal government involved! he explains his view as the states can inact what they want, and that we will still have AMAZINGLY strong property rights, and if someone is polluting they will be sued and made to clean up in the courts. We dont need all these different agencies!
Plus in his first term he would just cut everything, just hundreds of billions off of defense budget and allow younger people to opt out of social security
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: Onox]
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Onox said: I very much like Ron Paul's stance on drugs, but that's about all I like him for. States rights arguments are tired imo, not saying that states shouldn't have rights, but every time I hear about states rights it's an argument used for legalized oppression. For example, Ron Paul takes a states rights approach for gay marriage, where states should be able to decide whether gays can get married. Why? It's either okay or it's not okay, what insight does the state have that the feds don't? And when it comes to taxes... governments don't run without money. We already owe over ten trillion dollars to other countries, so we're going to not have taxes and pay them back... how? Ron Paul, and even many of the other Republicans, seem to think that America is the same power that we were thirty years ago. We're not nearly as good as we used to be, and if we don't watch out we're gonna be a third world country really fast. Especially if we default on our national debt. And isolationism isn't going to work in our globalized society.
his idea is that if its not in the constitution, the FEd should stay out of it! some states might think its ok, while others might not. Its not the federal governments job to tell who can marry who, and having states rights allows us to have 50 different testing grounds to find out what works best.
what works in georgia might not work in california.. he believs the constitution was made to limit government not the citizens, we need to stop spending. We are on the verge of an even bigger crisis.. we cant just keep printing moeny.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Eh, environmental problems cross state lines. You can preserve all the good duck habitat you want in say, Wisconsin, but if the folks in those same duck's wintering grounds in Louisiana aren't big on the environment, the species will still decline. That's just one example that I though of while typing it. There are literally thousands more.
I don't think you guys are dumber than me. But you might be a lot younger than me, I don't know. What I do know is that the human mind is naturally drawn to simple solutions. Mostly though, complex problems, of which there are many, don't lend themselves to simple solutions. Sorry.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dip]
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All other points in this debate aside, I would welcome anyone to demonstrate how business will police itself with regards to the environment. There's more than two hundred years of history just in this country-the U.S.-showing the opposite.
This really is not true. My argument here is that most pollution and enviromental carelessness is at fault of the government having really no respect for property rights. 200 years of destruction of the constitution! in fact it shows the opposite. Laws override and obscure property rights and thus fail to adequately protect or define those rights and laws governing. class and individual tort claims provide polluters with immunity from tort claims, or interfere with those claims in such a way as to make it difficult to legally sustain them. Just as you are not allowed to harm another person you are not allowed to harm another persons fruits of labor(property).
Overexploitation occurs to the extent of the lack of ownership incentives to care for the property, and that this communalization effect occurs to the extent of multiplicity of ownership. Overexploitation reduces the intrinsic and retail value of the property. Pollution occurs where and to the extent that victims are prevented or hindered from seeking tort restitution for such aggression. Legislative and Judicial authorities have tended to favor heavy industries over individuals or class action in favor of public property and the common good. Pollution clean-up also occurs naturally in a free market, because reducing the negative value of a property is a net gain, again leading to a higher intrinsic or retail value, and thus marketability.
And overconsumption is a flawed concept, because it assumes that resources are non-renewable. The market, through supply and demand, regulates consumption by adjusting it according to supply. For example, if a resource becomes more scarce, its value increases and thus also its cost. This forces consumers to redirect their purchases to alternate resources which are in more plentiful supply. In addition, the higher market value of the resource creates an incentive to create more of the commodity, and allows for a greater expenditure in doing so.
If it wasnt for government monopoly on oil i would bet a million dollars we would all have clean renewable energy right now. I know this for a fact.
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I would welcome anyone to demonstrate how any area of government is necessary without a better off working alternative.
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The state has proven it can control ownership of humans. I might agree with your sentiment if you word it differently but ownership over young people and prisoners has been established. You might not like it and in the case of young people and some so called crimes I agree with your sentiment but control and ownership has been established.
just because it is "established" doesnt mean it is moral nor practical or right. Your sentiment follows the same axiom of owning a black man or a cute 17 year old sex slave because it has been established.
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On the large issues I agree with you. Thee Republicans and Democrats wings of the UWP both support war, murderous mercenaries around the globe, racism, colonialism, the rights of national and global capital monopolization and the Federal Reserve banking system.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Here you show yourself to be extremist nut. I fully support prisons for assault, murder and violent rape. Public parks and roadways I support those. I would support tax collection but so much of that money is used for the war and the police state. Until the wars are stopped however I don't support tax collection.
I still don't see whats so extreme about taking care of my own life without buying into the propaganda of government security. How often have you heard of a police officer stopping a murder, or stoping a violent rape or assault. Humans are going to do what they do and you cant stop that.
The market is very smart and adaptable. It is all supply and demand. I could easily envision free market private defense forces arising when there is danger. In a free market system these defense forces could only protect property(your body is your property) So I only see the system as being better to cater to market needs and have an incentive to meet the greatest goal possible. I bet there would be no drug war.
Parks, roads, and other public services have been proven better served by the private sector. Look up Sandy Springs, GA and how they outsourced everything, and look how much money they have and how well their economy is doing by supporting local business and communities rather than government monopolies.
You obviously don't realize that taxation is morally theft no matter how you look at it. It is aggression plain and simple and very bad for a economy regardless. It is just the misplacement of wealth. Besides 0% of the taxes you pay goes into most goods and services you would expect out of government today.
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This makes you look dumb. You want to elect a STATESMAN while advocating the abolishment of the state and it's political system? How many times do I have to point out this absurd contradiction? Of course this is akin to what Ron Paul advocates on a lot of things so I understand how you can feel affinity for the man. His and your contradictions are glaringly obvious
Rational discussion actually makes me look smart, name calling would make me look like I'm backed into a corner with no way out. I believe in a lot of things other than anarchy dude. I believe in freedom, and I believe it would be very wreckless to cause anarchy overnight. there has to be time to let the market adjust to the new situations, time for people to figure out solutions to problems other than let government take care of it. It's not us VS. you. It is we all need to think of a non coercive way to handle our situations. Returning to constitutional government would be a fantastic start.
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Violent revolution does work, it just does not meet all of it's goals and the price is often too high to pay. When the state is out of control violence remains the right of the people and the oppressed to free themselves.
Anyone who advocates violence looks pretty dumb in my book. There is a very large deference between aggression and self defense.
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With your comments about "no reason for the existence of government" you are advocating agorism yourself.
I should have put more emphases on the counter economy aspect of agorism for achieving a voluntary society. you know what I mean!
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That's one thing you are absolutely correct on, I judge all Ron Paulists by the party they vote for, and that party is committing unconscious and enduring crimes. I will never support the Republican or Democrat wings of the United War Party because I have moral principles and a clear vision of the consequences of such action by myself and the masses.
Well the sooner you leave your emotions at the door and wake up and see that this movement and ron paul are the best and prob. the only way in this lifetime we are to achieve real liberty. the sooner we can all be working together for something a lot greater. You are denying yourself freedom and giving up a very real opportunity to change the world... you know Or this time next year we can be discussing WWWIII because no one not even obama and all his change will ever make a difference, neither will the next guy or the next... It has to be ron paul, the time is now.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
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Who ever said Ron Paul is a Republican is full of ca-ca. He is Libertarian--he is running for the republican nom, but that doesn't mean he is Republican.
Q: What republican advocates pure states rights, doing away with militarism? Which democrats do?
A: None, they are all a bunch of nanny-state globalists.
Ron Paul and people like him are one of the last chances this country has of getting back on track.
The question is, if you don't like Ron Paul, and don't like Republicans, that leaves... The Community Organizer.
And he is a jive, lying, arrogant, stupid globalist, just like Bush was. Just more so.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: starfire_xes]
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actually Republicans have historically been more anti war than Democrats.
Wanna know an interesting tid bit. Republicans have also historically been more pro union 
There really is no difference between both parties other than republicans are usually 20 years behind democrats.
Ron paul is not registered libertarian where the hell did you get that from? if he was registered libertarian he could not participate in the republican primaries.
The reason he chose republicans over democrats is simply the motto and nothing more. Republicans want smaller government and so in essence he is a republican. Who cares what party he is registered for? The way our political system is set up is so deeply rooted into 2 parties there is no way around it. If he didn't choose one then he had zero chance. You have to give the man props for being practical. You guys want to sit around and get your feelings hurt because he is a statesman but if you listen to what he is actually saying he is advocating a voluntary society.
So you punks can either keep sitting around in your parents basements listening to NOFX punching walls shouting "ANARCHY!" or you can stop being little douche bags and do something with your life and vote to make this actually happen.
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He has been a Republican congress man for 11 terms as well.
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Wanna know an interesting tid bit. Republicans have also historically been more pro union 
There really is no difference between both parties other than republicans are usually 20 years behind democrats.
Ron paul is not registered libertarian where the hell did you get that from? if he was registered libertarian he could not participate in the republican primaries.
The reason he chose republicans over democrats is simply the motto and nothing more. Republicans want smaller government and so in essence he is a republican. Who cares what party he is registered for? The way our political system is set up is so deeply rooted into 2 parties there is no way around it. If he didn't choose one then he had zero chance. You have to give the man props for being practical. You guys want to sit around and get your feelings hurt because he is a statesman but if you listen to what he is actually saying he is advocating a voluntary society.
Ya Ron Paul is a member of the Republican wing of the United War Party and supports the existence of that disgusting criminal party. All the Republican voters are guilty of directly supporting mass murder, imperialism and the drug war when they vote for Republicans. That is a simple fact.
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So you punks can either keep sitting around in your parents basements listening to NOFX punching walls shouting "ANARCHY!" or you can stop being little douche bags and do something with your life and vote to make this actually happen.
Yeah get out there and do the right thing like all the Republican war party voters , vote for the criminal party and the criminal minority of voters who vote for Republicans and Democrat wings of the United War Party. You Ron Paul Republicans help prop that party up while those of us who are truly Anti- drug war and anti imperialist war oppose the Republicans and Democrat wings of the United War Party on principle knowing that anyone who votes for any of those parties is a criminal themselves. You Ron Paul cult members are full of absurd contradictions and your actions (voting war party)speak louder than your empty words.
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i think you should get off your conspiracy websites and actually watch some ron paul video's man. You clearly are making way too many assumptions
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Honestly I'm pretty impressed. I don't side with one group or another but republicans have been up to the most ridiculous bullshit recently. There is a reason they lost the last presidential election and Paul seems to be targeting that specific weakness.
Of course, it is doubtful that most or any of his campaign promises would be fulfilled, but his rhetoric is nice.
Thanks for this video, it gives me hope. I get pretty upset when I express ideas like his and ignorant Americans get all up in arms about allowing people to have freedom. I hope common sense will one day prevail!
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: guitardude3]
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While no one's counting votes, and in my belief - its more than naive to vote. Fuck it, I'll vote for Paul.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: starfire_xes]
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The facts to anyone with a basic grasp on basic reality is that the Republican wing of the U.W.P is a supporter of criminal wars and has killed millions unjustly in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, El Salvador etcetra.
Now I challenge you or any other war party supporter to tell me how you can disassociate Ron Paul from his party. You cannot unless of course you are naive and willing to overlook this the obvious fact. Still I will wait for your answer, hopefully you will come forward in an honest manner but even if you don't your answer will be instructive for other people who read this thread.
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The facts to anyone with a basic grasp on basic reality is that the Republican wing of the U.W.P is a supporter of criminal wars and has killed millions unjustly in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, El Salvador etcetra.
Now I challenge you or any other war party supporter to tell me how you can disassociate Ron Paul from his party. You cannot unless of course you are naive and willing to overlook this the obvious fact. Still I will wait for your answer, hopefully you will come forward in an honest manner but even if you don't your answer will be instructive for other people who read this thread.
you would have to be naive to believe that simply because someone is running with a particular party that they stand by the morals of every other shitty leader and politician that has or does belong to that party.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: blazenn]
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To wit: My own former US Senator-Russ Feingold-nominally a Democrat, he stands out to this day as the only member of that body to vote against The Patriot Act, famously took no contributions from big lobbyists, and managed to be a thorn in the sides of partisans of both stripes throughout his sadly attenuated career. (Although methinks he'll be back).
There simply IS variation from one politician to the next. Maybe not enough variation between every pair of two, but at least in the case of true mavericks like Feingold, and I would posit, Ron Paul, true differences.
Even old John McCain once stood for independent thought within the Repooplicans. Now that's a feat. Too bad he ran back to his party's standard dogma during his presidential run. Sucked to see that.
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you would have to be naive to believe that simply because someone is running with a particular party that they stand by the morals of every other shitty leader and politician that has or does belong to that party.
Another person with a inability to read and understand what was typed.
The Republican wing of the United War Party like their Democrat friends has a record of things it has done, this is not a question of individual personalities it is a matter of actuality of what that entity has done in the past and will continue to do in the future. If Ron Paul were calling for disbanding the criminal Republican party like Marthinus Van Schalkwyk did to the Apartheied white power party in South Africa then he would be considered quite admirable.
Until Ron Paul calls for the disbandment of the Republican party he can not be seen as much more than a supporter of what that party has done and will continue to do until stopped.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
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Until Ron Paul calls for the disbandment of the Republican party he can not be seen as much more than a supporter of what that party has done and will continue to do until stopped.
you act like democrats haven't supported our war efforts and our ever increasingly shitty foreign policy.
besides the republican party hasn't always been shitty, if anything ron paul is taking the republican party back to its roots. it's stubborn ass fools like you who look at the candidate's party before the candidate that will get us another shitty president.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Satival said: Holy shit! Never thought I'd see a GOP arguing for legal heroin... and so eloquently!
he aint your average GOP candidate. He's libertarian, which is closer to conservative then liberal.
Not exactly. Libertarians can swing both left and right on the political spectrum.
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Until Ron Paul calls for the disbandment of the Republican party he can not be seen as much more than a supporter of what that party has done and will continue to do until stopped.
you act like democrats haven't supported our war efforts and our ever increasingly shitty foreign policy.
besides the republican party hasn't always been shitty, if anything ron paul is taking the republican party back to its roots. it's stubborn ass fools like you who look at the candidate's party before the candidate that will get us another shitty president.
Try to answer the question and try to read threads before responding. I'll repeat it for your non reading ass - The Democrats and Republicans are both criminal corporate wings of the same mass murdering United War Party.
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Nuh-uh! They are friendly groups of people who want what's best for their fellow man and wanna have a good time doing it! That's why it's called a "party!"
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I have never voted in the past either, but I am voting for RON PAUL because we are losing our freedoms. We need to scratch everything and start from the beginning again.
You are voting for the Republican party, that is not starting over again that is voting for one of the oldest political parties ever and also voting for the party which oppresses and commits mass murder. Starting over sounds right, I just hope you can truly live by that idea.
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You are voting for the Republican party, that is not starting over again that is voting for one of the oldest political parties ever and also voting for the party which oppresses and commits mass murder. Starting over sounds right, I just hope you can truly live by that idea.
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Just because Ron Paul is running as a republican does not mean that he has the same views as everyone else. He is the only guy that has stuck to his word and does not say things just because people want to hear it. He sees that our government is slowly taking our rights and civil liberties away from us. He is the only guy that cares for our freedom (I mean true freedom). We should take this freedom seriously because without it we will be nothing but slaves and pawns to our new GOD (The United States of America).
Ron Paul has to run as republican if he wants the news and other t.v. channels to interview him to spread his views. The news tries to make him look like he is racist and stupid but to me he is the smartest guy running in 2012. Do you care about your freedom? I do that's why I'm voting for Ron Paul in 2012. I care more about my freedom than the economy and any other issues because once we lose our freedom we will never be able to get it back. Wake up America and vote Ron Paul 2012, if you don't America will be a full fledged police state.
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Okay we can keep talking or we can move.. PM me if you would like to start a march across America to the white house to ask congress the question of why are we losing our freedoms. I'm ready to move, quit my job, leave my family and do whatever is needed to peacefuly to regain control of our freedom before we lose it all. We can't keep accepting this as the norm,because if we do then when we are all in cages it will be to late to speak up. Lets get together and start a march acroos America I'm sure many will join us and aid us on our way to Washington to ask for our civil liberties and freedom back. All I need is someone to organize this and get a web site set up for those who wish to march, walk, ride bikes or whatever it takes to get across this huge country. Guys we have to do something if you can help or know someone who can please help. We can also spread the message for Ron Paul in the process. So if someone would like to take the lead and set up a website where we can raise a little funds for our cause, I will start the walk with a sign and go through every big city on my way to washington and hopefully gather more supporters on my way there. Do you think this would work or do you think I'm over doing it??
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He's got balls. Saying Heroin should be legal will instantly cause most of America to not support you.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: gamer4life]
#14487749 - 05/21/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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gamer4life said: Just because Ron Paul is running as a republican does not mean that he has the same views as everyone else. He is the only guy that has stuck to his word and does not say things just because people want to hear it. He sees that our government is slowly taking our rights and civil liberties away from us. He is the only guy that cares for our freedom (I mean true freedom). We should take this freedom seriously because without it we will be nothing but slaves and pawns to our new GOD (The United States of America).
Ron Paul has to run as republican if he wants the news and other t.v. channels to interview him to spread his views. The news tries to make him look like he is racist and stupid but to me he is the smartest guy running in 2012. Do you care about your freedom? I do that's why I'm voting for Ron Paul in 2012. I care more about my freedom than the economy and any other issues because once we lose our freedom we will never be able to get it back. Wake up America and vote Ron Paul 2012, if you don't America will be a full fledged police state.
Yes, thankyou for explaining that to him, Ron Paul is a Strict Fiscal Conservative in the original sense of the word, which is what republicans USED to be. So I think everyone else should leave the republican party, Ron Paul is one of only FEW people who are TRULY republican.
RON PAUL 2012!! Vote for the Revolution!
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
#14619344 - 06/15/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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teh debates on CNN were hard to watch.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: snoot]
#14619429 - 06/15/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have never seen CNN lie about people like they have Ron Paul. It's almost like political players are paying the media to glamor them so they can have more of a chance. Today CNN said that Ron Paul came in last place, but on their website poll it shows him in first. We have to keep spreading the truth so America can see what kind of lies are being told to keep truth telling people out of the highlights.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: gamer4life]
#14620077 - 06/15/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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gamer4life said: I have never seen CNN lie about people like they have Ron Paul. It's almost like political players are paying the media to glamor them so they can have more of a chance. Today CNN said that Ron Paul came in last place, but on their website poll it shows him in first. We have to keep spreading the truth so America can see what kind of lies are being told to keep truth telling people out of the highlights.
CNN is a war propaganda and corporate state propaganda entity. Lying, deception and avoiding mentioning reality is what they do.
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: dondoodle]
#14621012 - 06/16/11 04:40 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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dont ya know that the media is the fourth branch of gov.
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Edited by trscstghst (06/16/11 04:53 AM)
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: trscstghst]
#14623326 - 06/16/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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yup. As or if not more powerul then the executive branch
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: realfuzzhead]
#14624036 - 06/16/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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realfuzzhead said: yup. As or if not more influential** then the executive branch
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Re: Ron Paul defends legal heroin at GOP debate (goodread!) [Re: snoot]
#14624349 - 06/16/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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