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monotub accidental casing
    #14406471 - 05/05/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hi, I've recently created a monotub using a horse manure/verm/cubensis on grain substrate, unfortunately I made a mistake and cased the substrate upfront, I used a peat based substrate, I know this is way too early now.. but the case has fully colonised after 7 days, the top is evenly white... should I introduce this to fruiting conditions or should I recase? or is this a failed job?  I'm curious because I have read that maybe the casing is unnecessary in the first place.. but I'm concerned that the fruiting triggers will be altered by casing too soon... any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
    #14406486 - 05/05/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

fruit that sum'bitch!


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: stranger_danger]
    #14406849 - 05/05/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Wait, don't fruit it if the substrate beneath the casing isn't colonized.
If the whole thing is colonized, then by all means fruit it.

If not. Then I would keep it colonizing until the whole thing is done. The casing may overlay though, so I would "scratch" it with a sterilized fork or knife prior to introducing fruiting conditions.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14410304 - 05/06/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

isnt overlay pretty rare?

i think you should make sure you have overlay before scratching your sub


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: ar1es]
    #14421874 - 05/08/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have introduced the tub into fruiting conditions, I haven't scratched, but I can't tell whether the casing has an overlay or not... the peat is frosted all over, but no big chunks of white or anything... how can I tell whether there is an overlay or the casing just colonised?


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
    #14423130 - 05/09/11 04:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Overlay is not the same as full colonization of the casing layer. Overlay is when the casing layer has not only fully colonized, but the mycelium has matted up, forming what almost looks like a crust.  Overlay is very rare.  In all the trays I've ever made, I've never had it happen, so have no pictures.  If you'll follow the basic casing teks, you won't get overlay.

Remember:  A fully colonized casing layer means you either used too much coir in the mix or waited too long to initiate pinning.  It is not overlay.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: ar1es]
    #14423131 - 05/09/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: ar1es]
    #14427259 - 05/09/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I never said his shit had overlay. That would be impossible to tell without very good pictures.

I was simply pointing out that if the casing was fully colonized and the substrate wasn't, and he waited until the sub was fully colonized before fruiting, then by that time the casing MAY get overlay.

Yes overlay is rare.

It is also rare that a casing is fully colonized before the substrate is. Because people normally don't case until the substrate is fully colonized.

And scratching the casing prior to hyphal knotting wouldn't cause any problems.

To the OP: I would just wait it out and see if you get pins.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Lucid_Euphoria] * 1
    #14427564 - 05/09/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Fruit it. This chatter is ignorant.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
    #14428602 - 05/10/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Fruit it. This chatter is ignorant.




what is ignorant?

people trying to help the OP?


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
    #14428738 - 05/10/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Fruit it. This chatter is ignorant.





He's already fruited it numbnuts.

Maybe you should read the thread instead of trying to insult people who are giving constructive criticism.

Now who's the ignorant one.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14429941 - 05/10/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Now who's the ignorant one.




You. Duh. I didn't want to have to say it so directly, but since you press the issue... :tardpig:


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
    #14429954 - 05/10/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Wait, don't fruit it if the substrate beneath the casing isn't colonized.
If the whole thing is colonized, then by all means fruit it.

If not. Then I would keep it colonizing until the whole thing is done. The casing may overlay though, so I would "scratch" it with a sterilized fork or knife prior to introducing fruiting conditions.




Lest I be accused of random flaming of noobs...this is what u said that lit up my retard alert.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
    #14430968 - 05/10/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm still having trouble recognising the casing colonised vs an overlay... it doesn't look overly colonised, but it could be, baring in mind the casing was there from day 1... it seems halfway there, I've fanned the tub, I'll keep you posted how pinning goes... I have attached a pic, sorry I couldn't get higher resolution, please bare in mind this is 5 days after fruiting.



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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
    #14433702 - 05/11/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Wait, don't fruit it if the substrate beneath the casing isn't colonized.
If the whole thing is colonized, then by all means fruit it.

If not. Then I would keep it colonizing until the whole thing is done. The casing may overlay though, so I would "scratch" it with a sterilized fork or knife prior to introducing fruiting conditions.




Lest I be accused of random flaming of noobs...this is what u said that lit up my retard alert.




First of all, I'm no noob. I have years of experience in this hobby.
Secondly, what is wrong with the statement you quoted? Please enlighten us with actual information, instead of just trolling this thread.

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I'm still having trouble recognising the casing colonised vs an overlay... it doesn't look overly colonised, but it could be, baring in mind the casing was there from day 1... it seems halfway there, I've fanned the tub, I'll keep you posted how pinning goes... I have attached a pic, sorry I couldn't get higher resolution, please bare in mind this is 5 days after fruiting.






The mycelium looks healthy and its definately not overlayed, it's not even fully colonized. Just let it go, you likely won't get a great flush but you should get something. Be patient with it, keep fanning and misting, it may take weeks before it fruits, just don't give up on it.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14434681 - 05/11/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I noticed the first pin today also, just 1... do you think I should scratch after the first flush?


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
    #14434683 - 05/11/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Never ever scratch. Is that clear enuff?


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
    #14435395 - 05/11/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

alright yeah, bare in mind there was a recommendation to scratch in this thread.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
    #14436171 - 05/11/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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alright yeah, bare in mind there was a recommendation to scratch in this thread.




Yes but I'm right and he's wrong. :wink:


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
    #14441597 - 05/12/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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alright yeah, bare in mind there was a recommendation to scratch in this thread.




Learn to read. The recommendation I made to scratch was if there was overlay.

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lbeing789 said:
alright yeah, bare in mind there was a recommendation to scratch in this thread.




Yes but I'm right and he's wrong. :wink:




No, I was right all along and you're just a troll who provides zero productive contributions to this thread as my point about 4 posts ago proves.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14441750 - 05/12/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

how in the hell can a casing layer be fully colonized but not the substrate underneath it???
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: k00laid]
    #14441754 - 05/12/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When a noob puts the casing layer on the same time that he spawns to bulk.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14441758 - 05/12/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

but... if there is spawn everywhere in the bulk substrate. and also a casing layer.

how would the spawn choose to colonize peatmoss and not coir.

the answer is unless you use a "frosting" layer of grainspawn your casing layer will not colonized before the substrate underneath it will colonize

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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14441765 - 05/12/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yet somehow I'm being accused as the idiot of this thread.

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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14441774 - 05/12/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Casing layer is usually, or at least SHOULD be less than an inch thick.

Substrate is usually 4-5 inch thick. Which you think will colonize first?


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #14441794 - 05/12/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

my bulk substrate probably doesnt have a single inch of space between a grainspawn that i thoroughly mixed into it.

besides the fact that i dont ever case cubensis.
they dont need it.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: k00laid]
    #14444196 - 05/13/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

looks like I'm getting a pretty good pinset so I'm happy, we'll see what the flushes are like when they're done.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
    #14444262 - 05/13/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Haha, you hit the nail on the head and drove it in with one swing Lucid. :insano: Anonjon, :kingtard: !


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14445374 - 05/13/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

im embarrassed to be a part of this thread


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: ar1es]
    #14471664 - 05/18/11 03:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

guys, I'm actually really happy with the first flush, the early casing doesn't seem to be too detrimental:



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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
    #14471678 - 05/18/11 03:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lookin good:awethumb:, I would loosen the poly in the bottom holes and put a fan in the room pointing away from the tub, looks like they need a little more fresh air/less humidity


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14471739 - 05/18/11 04:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thx, now when you say loosen the poly, do you mean remove it?  I think it's tricky to loosen... I do have a fan on in the room... would this benefit the second flush because I think I'm gonna pick these either tonight/tomorrow.regards


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
    #14471757 - 05/18/11 04:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A fan would definitely help the next flush, just put it near the tub pointing blowing away from tub and tear off smaller pieces of poly for bottom holes and put them in so they are almost falling out. After you dunk and drain the RH will be high by the sub so the second flush should be as good or better and the stems should also be beefier from the increased air circulation. JMHO


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
    #14472847 - 05/18/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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guys, I'm actually really happy with the first flush, the early casing doesn't seem to be too detrimental:






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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
    #14474228 - 05/18/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm still having trouble recognising the casing colonised vs an overlay... it doesn't look overly colonised, but it could be, baring in mind the casing was there from day 1... it seems halfway there, I've fanned the tub, I'll keep you posted how pinning goes... I have attached a pic, sorry I couldn't get higher resolution, please bare in mind this is 5 days after fruiting.





You definitely botched up the time line a bit here, 



1)

That is not a casing at this point, it is now a substrate.

A casing is the layer of peat/verm that you blanket your substrate with once it reaches 100% colonization.

This is a substrate at 100% colonization, it is a Pan cam Goliath tub



This is the same tub with a casing layer applied to the substrate in the tray, just before it was fruited, and after it was at 100% noted in the above photo.



Overlay is when the casing layer gets overrun with mycelium, which often causes issues in terms of fruiting.

What you have there is not overlay, it is colonization.

DON'T SCRATCH A CASING LAYER!!!!! IT IS OUT OF DATE BAD INFO! IF YOU DO SO YOU ARE JUST ASKING FOR CONTAMINATION!!!!!!!

2)

You should not be fanning or misting that tub yet either, until it is at 100% colonization.

If you do you are opening a huge vector for contamination. That tub should be kept closed until 100%.

You need a higher CO2 level during colonization and keeping the tub closed will provide your substrate with the levels needed.

For the tub in the pic, just finish colonizing it and fruit it as is without a casing. Then next time if you wish case the tub in the proper time line.

3)

You don't need to apply a casing layer if the tub is cubensis. Cubes will fruit very well without one. The only time you need a casing with cubes it when you are in an area with a very low humidity.

The only reason I cased that tub in the pic up-post is because is was a Pan Cam tub which requires a casing layer.

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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: k00laid]
    #14475008 - 05/18/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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but... if there is spawn everywhere in the bulk substrate. and also a casing layer.

how would the spawn choose to colonize peatmoss and not coir.

the answer is unless you use a "frosting" layer of grainspawn your casing layer will not colonized before the substrate underneath it will colonize

:shrug:




I think that you touched it there k00laid....add frosting
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Javadog]
    #14475054 - 05/18/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't case, and I still have a ton of grain showing on top, most the grain comes off in the first flush and the second looks like a forest canopy.


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14475477 - 05/18/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"most the grain comes off in the first flush"

How does this happen?  Is it ripped up when harvesting?

Interesting,

JD


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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14477204 - 05/19/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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3n1gm4 said:
I don't case, and I still have a ton of grain showing on top, most the grain comes off in the first flush and the second looks like a forest canopy.



You should seriously consider skipping that frosting layer in the future hombre,

Its for the birds, :thumbdown:


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