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k00laid
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how in the hell can a casing layer be fully colonized but not the substrate underneath it???
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: k00laid]
#14441754 - 05/12/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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When a noob puts the casing layer on the same time that he spawns to bulk.
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k00laid
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but... if there is spawn everywhere in the bulk substrate. and also a casing layer.
how would the spawn choose to colonize peatmoss and not coir.
the answer is unless you use a "frosting" layer of grainspawn your casing layer will not colonized before the substrate underneath it will colonize
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Yet somehow I'm being accused as the idiot of this thread.
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Casing layer is usually, or at least SHOULD be less than an inch thick.
Substrate is usually 4-5 inch thick. Which you think will colonize first?
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k00laid
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my bulk substrate probably doesnt have a single inch of space between a grainspawn that i thoroughly mixed into it.
besides the fact that i dont ever case cubensis. they dont need it.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: k00laid]
#14444196 - 05/13/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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looks like I'm getting a pretty good pinset so I'm happy, we'll see what the flushes are like when they're done.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
#14444262 - 05/13/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haha, you hit the nail on the head and drove it in with one swing Lucid. Anonjon, !
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14445374 - 05/13/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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im embarrassed to be a part of this thread
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: ar1es]
#14471664 - 05/18/11 03:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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guys, I'm actually really happy with the first flush, the early casing doesn't seem to be too detrimental:
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
#14471678 - 05/18/11 03:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lookin good , I would loosen the poly in the bottom holes and put a fan in the room pointing away from the tub, looks like they need a little more fresh air/less humidity
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14471739 - 05/18/11 04:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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thx, now when you say loosen the poly, do you mean remove it? I think it's tricky to loosen... I do have a fan on in the room... would this benefit the second flush because I think I'm gonna pick these either tonight/tomorrow.regards
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
#14471757 - 05/18/11 04:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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A fan would definitely help the next flush, just put it near the tub pointing blowing away from tub and tear off smaller pieces of poly for bottom holes and put them in so they are almost falling out. After you dunk and drain the RH will be high by the sub so the second flush should be as good or better and the stems should also be beefier from the increased air circulation. JMHO
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
#14472847 - 05/18/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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lbeing789 said: guys, I'm actually really happy with the first flush, the early casing doesn't seem to be too detrimental:

Oh yah, very lovely.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
#14474228 - 05/18/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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lbeing789 said: I'm still having trouble recognising the casing colonised vs an overlay... it doesn't look overly colonised, but it could be, baring in mind the casing was there from day 1... it seems halfway there, I've fanned the tub, I'll keep you posted how pinning goes... I have attached a pic, sorry I couldn't get higher resolution, please bare in mind this is 5 days after fruiting.

You definitely botched up the time line a bit here,
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That is not a casing at this point, it is now a substrate.
A casing is the layer of peat/verm that you blanket your substrate with once it reaches 100% colonization.
This is a substrate at 100% colonization, it is a Pan cam Goliath tub

This is the same tub with a casing layer applied to the substrate in the tray, just before it was fruited, and after it was at 100% noted in the above photo.

Overlay is when the casing layer gets overrun with mycelium, which often causes issues in terms of fruiting.
What you have there is not overlay, it is colonization.
DON'T SCRATCH A CASING LAYER!!!!! IT IS OUT OF DATE BAD INFO! IF YOU DO SO YOU ARE JUST ASKING FOR CONTAMINATION!!!!!!!
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You should not be fanning or misting that tub yet either, until it is at 100% colonization.
If you do you are opening a huge vector for contamination. That tub should be kept closed until 100%.
You need a higher CO2 level during colonization and keeping the tub closed will provide your substrate with the levels needed.
For the tub in the pic, just finish colonizing it and fruit it as is without a casing. Then next time if you wish case the tub in the proper time line.
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You don't need to apply a casing layer if the tub is cubensis. Cubes will fruit very well without one. The only time you need a casing with cubes it when you are in an area with a very low humidity.
The only reason I cased that tub in the pic up-post is because is was a Pan Cam tub which requires a casing layer.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: k00laid]
#14475008 - 05/18/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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k00laid said: but... if there is spawn everywhere in the bulk substrate. and also a casing layer.
how would the spawn choose to colonize peatmoss and not coir.
the answer is unless you use a "frosting" layer of grainspawn your casing layer will not colonized before the substrate underneath it will colonize

I think that you touched it there k00laid....add frosting layers together with substrate scratching...and you find a time warp that goes back about....six years or so.
I am struggling to add a reference to incubation, but failing.
Fun stuff!
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: Javadog]
#14475054 - 05/18/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't case, and I still have a ton of grain showing on top, most the grain comes off in the first flush and the second looks like a forest canopy.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14475477 - 05/18/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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"most the grain comes off in the first flush"
How does this happen? Is it ripped up when harvesting?
Interesting,
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14477204 - 05/19/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: I don't case, and I still have a ton of grain showing on top, most the grain comes off in the first flush and the second looks like a forest canopy.
You should seriously consider skipping that frosting layer in the future hombre,
Its for the birds,
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