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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Asante]
    #14404220 - 05/05/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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How DARE someone publicly compare him with Osama Bin Laden.




Or his people and their struggle to Al Quaida, thats the bigger kick in the nuts here.



Who did that? It was just called Operation Geronimo.. that doesn't compare sheeit man.


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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Kada]
    #14404227 - 05/05/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, I think I got why they called the operation Geronimo after I read his
wiki page. Still don't see it as such a big deal, but that's none of my
business...:shrug:

Funny thing is Geronimo isn't even the name of the guy, the name is
actually mexican...lol for historical irony...:lol:


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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14404301 - 05/05/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Give them an extra welfare check and they'll shut up.  It was a codename.  Next they'll sue because Apache helicopters don't have enough feathers.


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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #14404321 - 05/05/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i had respect for native americans prior to this, but i think they just fucked themselves over in that aspect as a whole.

what a stupid reason to sue someone.


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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #14404330 - 05/05/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Give them an extra welfare check and they'll shut up.  It was a codename.  Next they'll sue because Apache helicopters don't have enough feathers.



:rofldrunk:

Fucking hell.  Geronimo =/= bin Laden it = name for operation that would or would not have succeeded.


I bet if the SEALs had their throats slit they wouldn't sue.


I guess Geronimo the G word is this century's new racial slur.

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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Samuel L Jackson] * 1
    #14404363 - 05/05/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I bet if the SEALs had their throats slit they wouldn't sue.





See, its already happening, people are associating common interest between Native Americans and Al Quaida.
They must hate America :facepalm:


SLJ, they are just saying "HEY! This is NOT OK!", and I think they're right, and the way to draw attention in the mainstream media who habitually ignore you is to file an in-your-face lawsuit.

Nicking pieces, imagery from Native American history and slapping it on products like the cherokee jeep, the apache helicopter, this entirely dishonorable Operation Geronimo, the redskins sports team.. How about the New York N*ggers? The K*ke convertible? Its offensive and it needs to stop. Don't talk about Native Americans like they're not really there and run away with pieces of their history, struggle and persecution. Getting the past behind you starts with mutual respect and appreciation, not carrying on with selective amnesia.




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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Asante]
    #14404442 - 05/05/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I bet if the SEALs had their throats slit they wouldn't sue.





See, its already happening, people are associating common interest between Native Americans and Al Quaida.
They must hate America :facepalm:







Uh, what?

I never said the Natives were anything like Al-Qaeda if that's what you are saying.  If that is what you're saying, you couldn't be further from the truth.

They aren't suing for apache helicopters, the Red Skins, or the Cherokee etc... why the hell do they care now?  Would they have cared if the mission failed?  If it had failed, would they have sued out of principle or would they not have sued to somehow honor and respect the fallen?  What the hell is going on here?  They're suing because they killed the world's most wanted terrorist and it is getting a ton of attention.  Of course, the failed mission would've gotten a lot of attention too, but would the Natives still have sued?

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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Asante]
    #14404468 - 05/05/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

heres the thing though.

no normal person hears that they referred to osama as "geronimo" during the mission and thinks back to that old indian. the only people who have made that connection are the indians.

not even the SEALs on the mission made that connection.

thats not the connotation made by referring to something as "geronimo" during a mission. the point is to obscure true identity. there is no connotation associated with a codename other than what the codename refers to.

hell, had osama heard about the entire mission and learned what his codename was prior to being killed and managed to get away, he wouldnt have even thought of geronimo the indian.

its like naming the original project to develop a nuclear weapon "the manhattan project". its not because manhattan was a nuclear wasteland or anything. its just to obscure what is really going on.

you never saw the residents of manhattan making a stink over that.


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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Asante]
    #14405122 - 05/05/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I bet if the SEALs had their throats slit they wouldn't sue.





See, its already happening, people are associating common interest between Native Americans and Al Quaida.
They must hate America :facepalm:


SLJ, they are just saying "HEY! This is NOT OK!", and I think they're right, and the way to draw attention in the mainstream media who habitually ignore you is to file an in-your-face lawsuit.

Nicking pieces, imagery from Native American history and slapping it on products like the cherokee jeep, the apache helicopter, this entirely dishonorable Operation Geronimo, the redskins sports team.. How about the New York N*ggers? The K*ke convertible? Its offensive and it needs to stop. Don't talk about Native Americans like they're not really there and run away with pieces of their history, struggle and persecution. Getting the past behind you starts with mutual respect and appreciation, not carrying on with selective amnesia.


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I always thought similarly about the whole 'redskins' thing and even used the same example in arguments before :lol:

But... Its just a nickname for a military op - big deal man.


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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: twighead]
    #14405158 - 05/05/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Seeing certain events take places over the years I have no love or respect
for my "fellow americans". Like none. We are the most selfish and ignorant
motherfuckers there possibly has ever been considering all the knowledge and
technology we have. There is no excuse.



I hope these Native American people sue and win. Even if they just get a small
piece of land or a little bit of royalties.

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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14405251 - 05/05/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah.. next people will be suing meteorologists for giving their name to a hurricane.


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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Toe_Jam] * 2
    #14405252 - 05/05/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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E-in Liondragon said:
So the Chiricahua Apache are suing the govt. for calling Osama bin Laden "Geronimo".
I don't know weather to :lmafo: or :facepalm:. Can you do both?

The Apaches said it was a slander to the great warrior's name and so naturally they are demanding money and public apology (lol). This brings to mind other pivotal trials, like that bitch that sued McDonald's for failing to tell her their coffee was hot. I guess she thought it was going to be cold that morning.



To be fair, the government owes the Native Americans, like... billions of dollars.

For committing genocide against them, breaking every treaty they ever made, and forcing them on to tiny reservations. :shrug:

And no, that doesn't make me a racist. To claim reparations/affirmative actions are racist is to forget history. It's like someone comes along, steals your house, and then says "okay, okay. We won't steal houses any more. So we're equal now, and giving you your house back would be racist."


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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: twighead]
    #14405260 - 05/05/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah.. next people will be suing meteorologists for giving their name to a hurricane.





I wouldnt doubt it. That one stupid bitch sued Mcdonalds for spilling hot
coffee on herself.

If you can sue for that you can sue for anything. And I hope these natives win
their ass off!

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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NewWavePeace]
    #14405276 - 05/05/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Somebody needs a history lesson...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geronimo



thanks that was a good read


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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NetDiver]
    #14405332 - 05/05/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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To be fair, the government owes the Native Americans, like... billions of dollars.





Nope, they owe them 3,794,101 square miles of land. Give it back!  Ah but that would be racist no? Surely you can't steal all that land and give it to others....


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It's like someone comes along, steals your house, and then says "okay, okay. We won't steal houses any more. So we're equal now, and giving you your house back would be racist against us."




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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14405406 - 05/05/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The operation wasn't called Geronimo. The operation was called Neptune's Spear and the codeword for the actual capture of Bin Laden was called Geronimo. And it was called that specifically in comparison to the Apache Chief, because, like Geronimo, Bin Laden was an enemy of the US gov't who avoided capture.


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i had respect for native americans prior to this, but i think they just fucked themselves over in that aspect as a whole.

what a stupid reason to sue someone.




Seriously? The use of the name Geronimo, although historically comparable to the Bin Laden situation, perpetuates the view of Indians as an enemy.

Besides that point, the US Federal gov't has kicked them out of their homes, exterminated them, put the endangered population onto wildlife reserves like wild animals, and since then done nothing to help them as they die out from poverty and disease, and refused to recognize the sovereignty of their tribes. As recently as 2007 there was a bill introduced in the senate, by democrats btw which surprised me, to terminate the Cherokee Nation which has actually been recognized as a sovereign nation.

IMO any bone the Indians can find to pick with the US Federal gov't, I hope they pick it clean.

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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Toe_Jam] * 1
    #14405454 - 05/05/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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E-in Liondragon said:
So the Chiricahua Apache are suing the govt. for calling Osama bin Laden "Geronimo".
I don't know weather to :lmafo: or :facepalm:. Can you do both?

The Apaches said it was a slander to the great warrior's name and so naturally they are demanding money and public apology (lol). This brings to mind other pivotal trials, like that bitch that sued McDonald's for failing to tell her their coffee was hot. I guess she thought it was going to be cold that morning.




Sounds like something any native would do, If I knew about this blasphemy and I lived in Amurrica I would slap them with a lawsuit within the day. Work the system for what its worth.

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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14405494 - 05/05/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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heres the thing though.

no normal person hears that they referred to osama as "geronimo" during the mission and thinks back to that old indian. the only people who have made that connection are the indians.






That BS and I made that connection immediately. Do yourself a favor and see psilyguy's
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14405866 - 05/05/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

white-america is disrespectful to all cultures, atleast the majority of government and individuals in charge are, the are capitalist and want to control the world and your actions, even aside from race they want to incorporate you into their lifestyle so it becomes less racist and more 'culturalist' and controlling :strokebeard2:


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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NetDiver]
    #14405879 - 05/05/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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To be fair, the government owes the Native Americans, like... billions of dollars.

For committing genocide against them, breaking every treaty they ever made, and forcing them on to tiny reservations. :shrug:

And no, that doesn't make me a racist. To claim reparations/affirmative actions are racist is to forget history. It's like someone comes along, steals your house, and then says "okay, okay. We won't steal houses any more. So we're equal now, and giving you your house back would be racist."




It does make you a racist.  No living native american has been a victim of genocide and no native american is forced to live on a reservation.  To lump modern native americans in with historical ones simply because they share the same race is, by definition, racist.

Native americans deserve every penny of compensation they can get for crimes committed against them, but not for crimes against long dead people that simply share the same race as them.

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