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So the Chiricahua Apache are suing the govt. for calling Osama bin Laden "Geronimo". I don't know weather to or . Can you do both?
The Apaches said it was a slander to the great warrior's name and so naturally they are demanding money and public apology (lol). This brings to mind other pivotal trials, like that bitch that sued McDonald's for failing to tell her their coffee was hot. I guess she thought it was going to be cold that morning.
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#14403871 - 05/05/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If it was anyone else, I'd have the same reaction.
Imo, they should sue the US for for any reason they can possibly get away with.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14403875 - 05/05/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have no sympathy for McDonalds, and not so much for the government; I hope they get away with it.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: TTT] 2
#14403876 - 05/05/11 06:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You mean you don't want the government to get a taste of their own medicine?
Sounds like a win to me. Do your thang natives.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NewWavePeace]
#14403884 - 05/05/11 06:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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As much as I love the idea of our federal government getting it handed to them in court...
I don't think they have a chance in hell.
Do they have a patent on Geronimo or something? What exactly is their case?
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NewWavePeace]
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NewWavePeace]
#14403923 - 05/05/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know who Geronimo is.
They don't own the name though. They don't have a case.
They're just pissed that they used his name for an operation.
The U.S. Government didn't "slander" Geronimo.
Also, apparently it's not the first time they've used his name for operations either.
Thanks for the pointless link though.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: TTT]
#14403940 - 05/05/11 07:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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TTT said: If it was anyone else, I'd have the same reaction.
Imo, they should sue the US for for any reason they can possibly get away with.
So basically, you are a racist.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NewWavePeace]
#14403950 - 05/05/11 07:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol, I you guys.
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NewWavePeace said: You mean you don't want the government to get a taste of their own medicine?
Sounds like a win to me. Do your thang natives.
You're gettin' me all wrong. I am a quarter Native American and I hope Native nations continue fucking the govt. as they were fucked out of everything they had BY the govt.. All I'm saying is this is really a stupid case, people used to yell "Geronimo!" all the time for dumb shit. They are just clutching at straws to fuck the govt. and it's amusing, thought I'd share.
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#14403958 - 05/05/11 07:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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iamnotadream said: I know who Geronimo is.
They don't own the name land though. They don't have a case.
Reality check.
I thought this was america?
The land where people can illegally enter your home, trip on your stairs and sue you for breaking their leg.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NewWavePeace]
#14403969 - 05/05/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I thought this was america?
You were misinformed sir. This is The-merca.
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#14403999 - 05/05/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I found that "Operation Geronimo" thing racially offensive too.
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Geronimo died in 1909 after being thrown from his horse.
Makes you wonder by whom huh?
Lets seize this opportunity to Learn more about Geronimo
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: DieCommie]
#14404007 - 05/05/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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TTT said: If it was anyone else, I'd have the same reaction.
Imo, they should sue the US for for any reason they can possibly get away with.
So basically, you are a racist.
If being against the actions of the United States government is being racist...
I'm not going to waste my time any further than I already have. I am all about preserving indigenous cultures, not wiping them out and then mocking them.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Asante]
#14404017 - 05/05/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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**Does some stupid and/or risky shit involving, in some capacity, gravity.**
GERONIMO!
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14404020 - 05/05/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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E-in Liondragon said: So the Chiricahua Apache are suing the govt. for calling Osama bin Laden "Geronimo". I don't know weather to or . Can you do both?
The Apaches said it was a slander to the great warrior's name and so naturally they are demanding money and public apology (lol). This brings to mind other pivotal trials, like that bitch that sued McDonald's for failing to tell her their coffee was hot. I guess she thought it was going to be cold that morning.
From what I remember reading/hearing, is that lady from the Mcdonald's coffee thing actually did get a couple million from that.
Because I remember fast food chains had to lower the temperature of their coffee after that.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: TTT]
#14404022 - 05/05/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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TTT said: If it was anyone else, I'd have the same reaction.
Imo, they should sue the US for for any reason they can possibly get away with.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Kada]
#14404068 - 05/05/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why are they pissed? Because the US named the operation in which they brought down one of the most important terrorist leaders Geronimo?
Why would you get pissed, isn't that a good thing? Also they didn't say the apache chief that fell from his horse Geronimo, just Geronimo. So what's the big deal?
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GERONIMO was a man fighting for the existence of his people from a people sweeping across the land with enough religious fervor to kill everyone. How DARE someone publicly compare him with Osama Bin Laden. Everything America did to the Native Americans was GENOCIDE. This is a disgusting display of "patriotism" that only America would have the balls to bullshit into a news article. I hope America gets their asses sues off. We have asked for everything we have gotten from the genocide we have let our government commit from day 1 of this country to the present day oil wars in the middle east. We justify ourselves and use god as an excuse to keep up the killing and justify what we do. America was born sick and remains sick.
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#14404206 - 05/05/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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How DARE someone publicly compare him with Osama Bin Laden.
Or his people and their struggle to Al Quaida, thats the bigger kick in the nuts here.
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GERONIMO!
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Asante]
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How DARE someone publicly compare him with Osama Bin Laden.
Or his people and their struggle to Al Quaida, thats the bigger kick in the nuts here.
Who did that? It was just called Operation Geronimo.. that doesn't compare sheeit man.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Kada]
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Ok, I think I got why they called the operation Geronimo after I read his wiki page. Still don't see it as such a big deal, but that's none of my business...
Funny thing is Geronimo isn't even the name of the guy, the name is actually mexican...lol for historical irony...
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14404301 - 05/05/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Give them an extra welfare check and they'll shut up. It was a codename. Next they'll sue because Apache helicopters don't have enough feathers.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14404321 - 05/05/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i had respect for native americans prior to this, but i think they just fucked themselves over in that aspect as a whole.
what a stupid reason to sue someone.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14404330 - 05/05/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Irishdrunk said: Give them an extra welfare check and they'll shut up. It was a codename. Next they'll sue because Apache helicopters don't have enough feathers.

Fucking hell. Geronimo =/= bin Laden it = name for operation that would or would not have succeeded.
I bet if the SEALs had their throats slit they wouldn't sue.
I guess Geronimo the G word is this century's new racial slur.
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I bet if the SEALs had their throats slit they wouldn't sue.
See, its already happening, people are associating common interest between Native Americans and Al Quaida. They must hate America 
SLJ, they are just saying "HEY! This is NOT OK!", and I think they're right, and the way to draw attention in the mainstream media who habitually ignore you is to file an in-your-face lawsuit.
Nicking pieces, imagery from Native American history and slapping it on products like the cherokee jeep, the apache helicopter, this entirely dishonorable Operation Geronimo, the redskins sports team.. How about the New York N*ggers? The K*ke convertible? Its offensive and it needs to stop. Don't talk about Native Americans like they're not really there and run away with pieces of their history, struggle and persecution. Getting the past behind you starts with mutual respect and appreciation, not carrying on with selective amnesia.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Asante]
#14404442 - 05/05/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I bet if the SEALs had their throats slit they wouldn't sue.
See, its already happening, people are associating common interest between Native Americans and Al Quaida. They must hate America 
Uh, what?
I never said the Natives were anything like Al-Qaeda if that's what you are saying. If that is what you're saying, you couldn't be further from the truth.
They aren't suing for apache helicopters, the Red Skins, or the Cherokee etc... why the hell do they care now? Would they have cared if the mission failed? If it had failed, would they have sued out of principle or would they not have sued to somehow honor and respect the fallen? What the hell is going on here? They're suing because they killed the world's most wanted terrorist and it is getting a ton of attention. Of course, the failed mission would've gotten a lot of attention too, but would the Natives still have sued?
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Asante]
#14404468 - 05/05/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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heres the thing though.
no normal person hears that they referred to osama as "geronimo" during the mission and thinks back to that old indian. the only people who have made that connection are the indians.
not even the SEALs on the mission made that connection.
thats not the connotation made by referring to something as "geronimo" during a mission. the point is to obscure true identity. there is no connotation associated with a codename other than what the codename refers to.
hell, had osama heard about the entire mission and learned what his codename was prior to being killed and managed to get away, he wouldnt have even thought of geronimo the indian.
its like naming the original project to develop a nuclear weapon "the manhattan project". its not because manhattan was a nuclear wasteland or anything. its just to obscure what is really going on.
you never saw the residents of manhattan making a stink over that.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Asante]
#14405122 - 05/05/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I bet if the SEALs had their throats slit they wouldn't sue.
See, its already happening, people are associating common interest between Native Americans and Al Quaida. They must hate America 
SLJ, they are just saying "HEY! This is NOT OK!", and I think they're right, and the way to draw attention in the mainstream media who habitually ignore you is to file an in-your-face lawsuit.
Nicking pieces, imagery from Native American history and slapping it on products like the cherokee jeep, the apache helicopter, this entirely dishonorable Operation Geronimo, the redskins sports team.. How about the New York N*ggers? The K*ke convertible? Its offensive and it needs to stop. Don't talk about Native Americans like they're not really there and run away with pieces of their history, struggle and persecution. Getting the past behind you starts with mutual respect and appreciation, not carrying on with selective amnesia.
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I always thought similarly about the whole 'redskins' thing and even used the same example in arguments before 
But... Its just a nickname for a military op - big deal man.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: twighead]
#14405158 - 05/05/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seeing certain events take places over the years I have no love or respect for my "fellow americans". Like none. We are the most selfish and ignorant motherfuckers there possibly has ever been considering all the knowledge and technology we have. There is no excuse.
I hope these Native American people sue and win. Even if they just get a small piece of land or a little bit of royalties.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: DeadHearts]
#14405251 - 05/05/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah.. next people will be suing meteorologists for giving their name to a hurricane.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Toe_Jam] 2
#14405252 - 05/05/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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E-in Liondragon said: So the Chiricahua Apache are suing the govt. for calling Osama bin Laden "Geronimo". I don't know weather to or . Can you do both?
The Apaches said it was a slander to the great warrior's name and so naturally they are demanding money and public apology (lol). This brings to mind other pivotal trials, like that bitch that sued McDonald's for failing to tell her their coffee was hot. I guess she thought it was going to be cold that morning.
To be fair, the government owes the Native Americans, like... billions of dollars.
For committing genocide against them, breaking every treaty they ever made, and forcing them on to tiny reservations. 
And no, that doesn't make me a racist. To claim reparations/affirmative actions are racist is to forget history. It's like someone comes along, steals your house, and then says "okay, okay. We won't steal houses any more. So we're equal now, and giving you your house back would be racist."
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: twighead]
#14405260 - 05/05/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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twighead said: Yeah.. next people will be suing meteorologists for giving their name to a hurricane.
I wouldnt doubt it. That one stupid bitch sued Mcdonalds for spilling hot coffee on herself.
If you can sue for that you can sue for anything. And I hope these natives win their ass off!
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NewWavePeace]
#14405276 - 05/05/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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NewWavePeace said: Somebody needs a history lesson...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geronimo
thanks that was a good read
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NetDiver]
#14405332 - 05/05/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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To be fair, the government owes the Native Americans, like... billions of dollars.
Nope, they owe them 3,794,101 square miles of land. Give it back! Ah but that would be racist no? Surely you can't steal all that land and give it to others....
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The operation wasn't called Geronimo. The operation was called Neptune's Spear and the codeword for the actual capture of Bin Laden was called Geronimo. And it was called that specifically in comparison to the Apache Chief, because, like Geronimo, Bin Laden was an enemy of the US gov't who avoided capture.
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SamuelLJackson said: i had respect for native americans prior to this, but i think they just fucked themselves over in that aspect as a whole.
what a stupid reason to sue someone.
Seriously? The use of the name Geronimo, although historically comparable to the Bin Laden situation, perpetuates the view of Indians as an enemy.
Besides that point, the US Federal gov't has kicked them out of their homes, exterminated them, put the endangered population onto wildlife reserves like wild animals, and since then done nothing to help them as they die out from poverty and disease, and refused to recognize the sovereignty of their tribes. As recently as 2007 there was a bill introduced in the senate, by democrats btw which surprised me, to terminate the Cherokee Nation which has actually been recognized as a sovereign nation.
IMO any bone the Indians can find to pick with the US Federal gov't, I hope they pick it clean.
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#14405454 - 05/05/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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E-in Liondragon said: So the Chiricahua Apache are suing the govt. for calling Osama bin Laden "Geronimo". I don't know weather to or . Can you do both?
The Apaches said it was a slander to the great warrior's name and so naturally they are demanding money and public apology (lol). This brings to mind other pivotal trials, like that bitch that sued McDonald's for failing to tell her their coffee was hot. I guess she thought it was going to be cold that morning.
Sounds like something any native would do, If I knew about this blasphemy and I lived in Amurrica I would slap them with a lawsuit within the day. Work the system for what its worth.
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SamuelLJackson said: heres the thing though.
no normal person hears that they referred to osama as "geronimo" during the mission and thinks back to that old indian. the only people who have made that connection are the indians.
That BS and I made that connection immediately. Do yourself a favor and see psilyguy's post above.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: DeadHearts]
#14405866 - 05/05/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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white-america is disrespectful to all cultures, atleast the majority of government and individuals in charge are, the are capitalist and want to control the world and your actions, even aside from race they want to incorporate you into their lifestyle so it becomes less racist and more 'culturalist' and controlling
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: NetDiver]
#14405879 - 05/05/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: To be fair, the government owes the Native Americans, like... billions of dollars.
For committing genocide against them, breaking every treaty they ever made, and forcing them on to tiny reservations. 
And no, that doesn't make me a racist. To claim reparations/affirmative actions are racist is to forget history. It's like someone comes along, steals your house, and then says "okay, okay. We won't steal houses any more. So we're equal now, and giving you your house back would be racist."
It does make you a racist. No living native american has been a victim of genocide and no native american is forced to live on a reservation. To lump modern native americans in with historical ones simply because they share the same race is, by definition, racist.
Native americans deserve every penny of compensation they can get for crimes committed against them, but not for crimes against long dead people that simply share the same race as them.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: DieCommie]
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You cannot blame the current generation over the atrocities there forefathers carried out against yours. Now the government...
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You cannot blame the current generation over the atrocities there forefathers carried out against yours. Now the government... 
Yes the government should still exhibit as much sorrow and compassion for these people as they can. And should be held accountable when they do shit like they did by using Geronimo as a target name for any enemy.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: DeadHearts]
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Geronimo is a very offensive name actually, it's derived from st. Jerome, upon which the mexicans called when the apache warrior was attacking them, americans just didn't give enough of a fuck to learn his real name which was Goyahkla.

So that settles it, nobody should even say the name Geronimo anymore or the gods of political correctness will smite them down and the US government should pay the natives for every time the name Geronimo was uttered.
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13.step said: Geronimo is a very offensive name actually, it's derived from st. Jerome, upon which the mexicans called when the apache warrior was attacking them, americans just didn't give enough of a fuck to learn his real name which was Goyahkla.

So that settles it, nobody should even say the name Geronimo anymore or the gods of political correctness will smite them down and the US government should pay the natives for every time the name Geronimo was uttered.
Now we can all go for coffee and pancakes.
I do not see how a possible nickname changes the person or the people in which he was born.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: DeadHearts]
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Who said it did?
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: 13.step]
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I reject my statement 
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Kada]
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Kada said: GERONIMO was a man fighting for the existence of his people from a people sweeping across the land with enough religious fervor to kill everyone. How DARE someone publicly compare him with Osama Bin Laden. Everything America did to the Native Americans was GENOCIDE. This is a disgusting display of "patriotism" that only America would have the balls to bullshit into a news article. I hope America gets their asses sues off. We have asked for everything we have gotten from the genocide we have let our government commit from day 1 of this country to the present day oil wars in the middle east. We justify ourselves and use god as an excuse to keep up the killing and justify what we do. America was born sick and remains sick.
are you fucking kidding me?
those native americans better sue every kid's cartoon and tv show that uses "GERONIMOOOO!!!!" in scenes when someone jumps off a cliff, or other equally "intense" moments.
fuck i cant even count how many times i've heard bugs bunny say geronimo in looney tunes episodes. it's pretty easy to see that's how they related the word Geronimo to a military operation.
sending navy seals in to capture/kill the worlds most wanted man is a hella intense scenario.
bugs bunny jumping off the edge of a cliff and shouting geronimo is an intense scenario as well
i HIGHLY HIGHLYYYY doubt the us military was thinking "hmmmmm we're killing osama, lets use the name of that ol native american guy for the operation"
fuck man some people get their panties in a bunch over anything.
goodluck to those native americans in the court case, but LO fucking L for them being offended by the situation
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: blazenn]
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who says there actually offended by it? 
That would be hella lolsy if they did get deeply offended by it.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: blazenn]
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if you look at my sig you can probably tell that i personally don't care about saying Geronimo when jumping off a cliff or something. But the gov't didn't use it because this was a "hella intense scenario". They used it because the Apache chief known as Geronimo was an enemy of the US Federal government and they couldn't capture him. Just like Bin Laden.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: psilyguy]
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eh, I guess I changed my sig. it used to say Geronimo instead of holy shit what a ride lol
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Toe_Jam]
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E-in Liondragon said: So the Chiricahua Apache are suing the govt. for calling Osama bin Laden "Geronimo".
donkey's need to sue him for calling kanye west a jackass
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DieCommie said: No living native american has been a victim of genocide and no native american is forced to live on a reservation.
you have no idea what you're talking about, many living indians were forced to live on the reservations, they were forced to give up their religious beliefs and even their language
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DieCommie said: It does make you a racist. No living native american has been a victim of genocide and no native american is forced to live on a reservation. To lump modern native americans in with historical ones simply because they share the same race is, by definition, racist.
Native americans deserve every penny of compensation they can get for crimes committed against them, but not for crimes against long dead people that simply share the same race as them.
It's not like they have no connection to their ancestors, though. They are in a much more disadvantaged social position than white people, generally, given the poverty with which the vast majority of Indians were thrust into with the taking of all their land. Poverty doesn't magically vanish after one generation.
It's not any punishment against us; I'm not saying we personally did anything wrong. It's just a leveling of the playing field.
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you have no idea what you're talking about, many living indians were forced to live on the reservations, they were forced to give up their religious beliefs and even their language
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you have no idea what you're talking about, many living indians were forced to live on the reservations, they were forced to give up their religious beliefs and even their language

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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: iamnotadream]
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I bet if the SEALs had their throats slit they wouldn't sue.
They wouldn't for one reason. No one would ever have had an inkling of this mission if it had failed.
Interesting bump fact: 600 years ago the entire North American continent was populated by Native Americans. Today they are the smallest minority in the U.S.
Another interesting bump fact: The Trail of Tears (in which the five "civilized tribes" were removed from their ancestral homelands) saw almost a third of the Cherokee (my gandfather's tribe) die of exposure, disease, and starvation.
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I bet if the SEALs had their throats slit they wouldn't sue.
They wouldn't for one reason. No one would ever have had an inkling of this mission if it had failed.
Interesting bump fact: 600 years ago the entire North American continent was populated by Native Americans. Today they are the smallest minority in the U.S.
Another interesting bump fact: The Trail of Tears (in which the five "civilized tribes" were removed from their ancestral homelands) saw almost a third of the Cherokee (my gandfather's tribe) die of exposure, disease, and starvation.
Thats real shit.
I just love these people who cannot sympathize whatsoever. Weather it happened 100 years ago or 200 years ago. Have respect for your fellow man for once.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Toe_Jam]
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there were over a million cherokee at the time, I live the starting point of the trail of tears, near the home of a scotsman that became a chief in the cherokee nation and near the homes of a couple of the other chiefs, I almost bought Ducks Nest, Duck was one of the cherokee war chiefs
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there were over a million cherokee at the time, I live the starting point of the trail of tears, near the home of a scotsman that became a chief in the cherokee nation and near the homes of a couple of the other chiefs, I almost bought Ducks Nest, Duck was one of the cherokee war chiefs
Man that would be so cool for me. I gotta ask ya, what are they like? Although I am only a quarter I am very proud of my Native heritage. Not to say I am not proud to also be German, Irish, English, Scottish, Danish, and who knows what else. (WTF THIS KID IS A MUTT!?!?!?) Lol yep, I am. I am pure human baby. My Native grandfather even had negro hair, and blacks (runaway slaves at times) were welcomed into the tribe if they could pull their weight. So I guess I could be part black . My father has strong suspicions that my grandfather was part black. I saw his sisters and they had super curly hair and pretty African features. And My father and I get DARK in the summer.
The thing is, I heard that many full blood Cherokee have more prejudice against "mudbloods" like me than they do against whites. I hope that's not true, as I really plan on seeing the Cherokee Nation one day.
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Re: Native Americans suing the govt. [Re: Toe_Jam]
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E-in Liondragon said: Another interesting bump fact: The Trail of Tears (in which the five "civilized tribes" were removed from their ancestral homelands) saw almost a third of the Cherokee (my gandfather's tribe) die of exposure, disease, and starvation.
there were over a million cherokee at the time, I live the starting point of the trail of tears, near the home of a scotsman that became a chief in the cherokee nation and near the homes of a couple of the other chiefs, I almost bought Ducks Nest, Duck was one of the cherokee war chiefs
Man that would be so cool for me. I gotta ask ya, what are they like? My Native grandfather even had negro hair, and blacks (runaway slaves at times) were welcomed into the tribe if they could pull their weight.
they're much like people, pretty sure they are people, I'm half indian, cherokee and comanche, I have family that managed to remain in the east as well as many that were driven west.
curly hair was not uncommon in the indian nations, Crazy Horse was born with blond curly hair, in fact as a kid, that was his name, and many indians, possibly still today, I know my great grandmother did, referred to blacks as 'the black white man'
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