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afrogus
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Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam?
#14403274 - 05/05/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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My BRF cake is turning all fuzzy white and what looks to be green, but maybe blue? This is my second flush, and it is only happening to this cake?
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: afrogus]
#14403298 - 05/05/11 01:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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looks really frosty... like u might have overlay? and it looks more like mold to me then blue bruising :/
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afrogus
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: BlueB0Y]
#14403304 - 05/05/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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what is overlay? I am new to this. thanks
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: afrogus]
#14403307 - 05/05/11 01:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pretty sure thats trich, sorry mate..
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: afrogus]
#14403310 - 05/05/11 01:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i see green... green means bad in this hobby.... sad to say I would huck those far far away... or bury them in your yard about 1/2 - 1 inch under some hpoo or coir or verm and see what happens.... sry guy
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: stranger_danger]
#14403316 - 05/05/11 01:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Definitely trich I saw it just a few weeks ago, get rid of it b4 it turns green!
I was thinking wow one of my cakes is growing myc again....NOPE, woke up and the whole spot that looked exactly like that was bright green.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: lucas_southoz]
#14403324 - 05/05/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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lucas_southoz said: Pretty sure thats trich, sorry mate..
That is a textbook quality photo of Trichoderma.
It is starting to sporulate at the bottom. Danger Will Robinson!
Get it out. Now.
Better luck with you other efforts.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: Javadog]
#14403336 - 05/05/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks, I tossed it. Will the rest of my FC be ok? All the rest of my cakes look ok. And, What the heck is overlay?
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: afrogus]
#14403341 - 05/05/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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overlay is when your mycelium grows overtop of your casing layer... or the verm you rolled your cakes in
there is a fair chance that the rest of your cakes will contam sine the trich popped spores out already
just keep an eye on it... i also recommend cleaning the room, FC, counter, and fuck it, the whole house with lysol to get the trich away as best u can...
gl mang
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: afrogus]
#14403356 - 05/05/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You might be ok. The infection like started in the jar, but keep an eye on your other cakes. (don't let them dry out too much....I have found that this can weaken mycelium)
Overlay is a way that mycelium can grow. It grows kinda on top of itself in such a manner as to leave a surface that will not pin. People used to suggest scratching it with a fork.
Honestly, I have not seen it yet. Maybe someone with more experience will improve this response.
Take care,
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: Javadog]
#14403389 - 05/05/11 01:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oust is your friend, trich shoots its spores out of little spore cannons at high speeds, they will stick to anything and they are floating through your house right now. One sprayer with vinegar one with peroxide, spray surface with vinegar, wait a few minutes, spray with peroxide and wipe dry, that will even kill the aids virus. Oust the air in the room with the FC, not too much and not too close to the FC. That will lower your spore count and lessen your chances of it returning.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14403428 - 05/05/11 02:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: One sprayer with vinegar one with peroxide, spray surface with vinegar, wait a few minutes, spray with peroxide and wipe dry,
 i've found this to be the absolute best method of getting rid of trich spores! you do not want to mix the 2 ingredients together beforehand, thats why you want 2 separate sprayers. i dont think the order you use them maters though. spray with one, wait, then spray with the other, wait more and then wipe.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: awakendone]
#14403449 - 05/05/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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    You should wear gloves if you don't want dead skin on your fingers though, because the last time I did this all the skin on the tips of my fingers turned white from the chemical reaction, didn't hurt, just killed the top layer of skin, if the peroxide was 100% instead of .3% it would kill whatever it touched dead, even you. Luckily the US usually sells the .3% peroxide, don't drink it!
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Edited by 3n1gm4 (05/05/11 02:29 AM)
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14403477 - 05/05/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said:
    You should wear gloves if you don't want dead skin on your fingers though, because the last time I did this all the skin on the tips of my fingers turned white from the chemical reaction, didn't hurt, just killed the top layer of skin, if the peroxide was 100% instead of .3% it would kill whatever it touched dead, even you. Luckily the US usually sells the .3% peroxide, don't drink it!
Ahh, that's what the white spots on my fingers were a little while back, just dead skin, lol!  Getting wiser by the second.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: sonnyboy209]
#14403498 - 05/05/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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sonnyboy209 said:
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3n1gm4 said:
    You should wear gloves if you don't want dead skin on your fingers though, because the last time I did this all the skin on the tips of my fingers turned white from the chemical reaction, didn't hurt, just killed the top layer of skin, if the peroxide was 100% instead of .3% it would kill whatever it touched dead, even you. Luckily the US usually sells the .3% peroxide, don't drink it!
Ahh, that's what the white spots on my fingers were a little while back, just dead skin, lol!  Getting wiser by the second.
Yeah the last tubs I cleaned b4 spawning I killed all the skin on my fingertips, I didn't know what it was at first until I spawned another mono 3 days later and my then almost healed fingers turned completely white with dead skin again. Harbor freight has the cheapest gloves, I have used them for years in the automotive industry.
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Edited by 3n1gm4 (05/05/11 03:00 AM)
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14404084 - 05/05/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good stuff.
I do not think that you have to wait between applying the two chemicals though. One, then the other, in either order.
It went around some time back that something about this combination will kill just about everything.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: stranger_danger]
#14404094 - 05/05/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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stranger_danger said: overlay is when your mycelium grows overtop of your casing layer... or the verm you rolled your cakes in
almost.
its when the mycelium that grew over your casing layer dies and dries up. creating a thick leathery mat that water CANNOT penetrate.
and then your substrate dries out and dies and DOES NOT FRUIT.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: k00laid]
#14404521 - 05/05/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bummer, This just happened to one of our cakes, too.
This was last night.

This morning they were picked but as we picked we noticed grey/green mold on the other side of the cake. I wasn't there but my partner cut it off an put it back in the FC. I've got a bad feeling about what he's going to come home to tonight...
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: akoward]
#14404531 - 05/05/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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akoward said: Bummer, This just happened to one of our cakes, too.
This was last night.

This morning they were picked but as we picked we noticed grey/green mold on the other side of the cake. I wasn't there but my partner cut it off an put it back in the FC. I've got a bad feeling about what he's going to come home to tonight...
You need more FAE IMHO
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: k00laid]
#14404555 - 05/05/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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THROW IT AWAY ASAP1!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14404596 - 05/05/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said:
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akoward said: Bummer, This just happened to one of our cakes, too.
This was last night.

This morning they were picked but as we picked we noticed grey/green mold on the other side of the cake. I wasn't there but my partner cut it off an put it back in the FC. I've got a bad feeling about what he's going to come home to tonight...
You need more FAE IMHO
I am going to guess that means Fresh Air Exchange. Is that right? How would one do that? Remove the polyfill or something I thought the idea was the polyfill allows air through to some degree.
I also hear you about tossing that cake. Unfortunately its not in my control. Someone else is watching the box.
Edited by akoward (05/05/11 10:30 AM)
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: akoward]
#14404654 - 05/05/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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A fan in the room pointing away from the tub, check the RH inside the FC and move the fan closer to the FC a few inches at a time leaving it a while and coming back to check the RH, when you move the fan and come back an hour later and the RH has dropped move the fan back a little further away. The long skinny stypes on those fruits are screaming either FAE or H2O, long skinny stems usually means it needs more fresh air, cracking a window nearby a smidge would help it get fresh air too. If there is no outside air and you use a fan then you are just stirring the stale air.
And tell whoever owns that cake that the cake burglar came and stole it, and chuck that thing into the woods,spray some oust, take a shower and change clothes, its not worth ruining every cake and every future grow by filling your house with trich spores for a few pins left on a green cake. When it turns green there are thousands of little spore cannons shooting spores that will stick to anything, and spreading them over the whole house and anything you come into contact with because they are all over you and your clothes too.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14404795 - 05/05/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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there is no polyfil in a SGFC.
you built your fruiting chamber incorrectly is what im saying.
try again.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: k00laid]
#14405311 - 05/05/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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k00laid said: there is no polyfil in a SGFC.
you built your fruiting chamber incorrectly is what im saying.
try again.
 It could work with some 1/4 inch holes drilled in the bottom, LOL thats what staying awake for days will do to you, I didn't even notice that it was cakes on perlite in a mono.
I was wrong on the fan thing, I was thinking that you were doing bulk for some reason as I looked at the pic of your contamed cake. k00laid is right, you have the wrong FC for cakes, you either need to drill 1/4 inch holes in the bottom 1/2 inch apart and try to make it work that way or you need to go to here http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek and build a real SGFC and use your monotub to grow bulk. Building a real SGFC would be the best idea if you are going to fruit cakes.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14409026 - 05/06/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, the person who is handling the actual FC is offsite and not in my control at all. Due to circumstances the jars were handed over and its in their hands. I think we were trying to mix FC teks and I guess we goofed. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Re: Whats going on here? IS this trych/mold/contam? [Re: akoward]
#14409370 - 05/06/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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akoward said: I think we were trying to mix FC teks
happens alll the time dont worry ;p
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