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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: bholzer]
    #14400554 - 05/04/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

disassociation is a factor/effect/experience/symptom often experienced with ingestion of hallucinogens.  often found more prevalent with high and/or repeated use before the tolerance level is able to be reduced to normal by the body


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14401071 - 05/04/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This didnt happen until after the tolerance level shouldve been lowered...there was a good 9 month break before I started dissociating.

My state of mind normally in a non-drugged straight is much like the trips I had earlier on, or how other people feel when they trip. I see things, hear things, go on journeys, forget things that happened a few minutes ago, get alot of rainbowing, tracers, time distortion, and delusions.

When I trip I completely lose my gourd and forget who or where i am.

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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14401099 - 05/04/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i got dissociated for a long period of time, felt very distant from reality and those around me.  meditation saved me from a life of dissociation as far as i'm concerned.  it helped me physically balance, and led me to spiritual inquiry where i saw that there is no self anyways, and who i really am is the pure consciousness, which for me was a very liberating discovery.


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: g00ru]
    #14401138 - 05/04/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i got dissociated for a long period of time, felt very distant from reality and those around me.  meditation saved me from a life of dissociation as far as i'm concerned.  it helped me physically balance, and led me to spiritual inquiry where i saw that there is no self anyways, and who i really am is the pure consciousness, which for me was a very liberating discovery.




I was thinking about meditation to help save me from my dissociation. How did you go about meditating to help yourself out of it?

I feel terrible, and the more I think about it, the worse it gets, because I feel like I'm going crazy


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: g00ru]
    #14401141 - 05/04/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Meditation actually helped me to disassociate in the first place, back when it was impossible for me to do.

I live in a constant reality of no self anyways and just being pure consciousness, but that's what I struggle with. I want my self back.

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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: MisterMuscaria] * 1
    #14401151 - 05/04/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

your self/ego is only going to be as stable as your habits.  You need to have huge life goals and dreams that you're working towards, other wise you're just neither here nor there. But why want your ego back? It's not the idea of yourself that's good...that's what holds you back.  It's just achievements, goals,...that's what i want in life, i don't give a fuck about my current transitory ego, it gets smashed pretty frequently anyways :lol:


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: bholzer]
    #14401160 - 05/04/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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guruu said:
i got dissociated for a long period of time, felt very distant from reality and those around me.  meditation saved me from a life of dissociation as far as i'm concerned.  it helped me physically balance, and led me to spiritual inquiry where i saw that there is no self anyways, and who i really am is the pure consciousness, which for me was a very liberating discovery.




I was thinking about meditation to help save me from my dissociation. How did you go about meditating to help yourself out of it?

I feel terrible, and the more I think about it, the worse it gets, because I feel like I'm going crazy




well it really does dissociate from your thoughts more, but for me all i really needed to do was chill the fuck out, my main problem was anxiety.  The "dissociation" isn't a bad thing if you can live with it, actually it can be a source of power, you're more of a "high" being, more detached and able to see things from a perspective most people cant (and it's not a bad perspective).

'That inner Self, as the primeval Spirit,
Eternal, ever effulgent, full and infinite Bliss,
Single, indivisible, whole and living,
Shines in everyone as the witnessing awareness.
That self in its splendour, shining in the cavity of the heart
This self is neither born nor dies,
Neither grows nor decays,
Nor does it suffer any change.
When a pot is broken, the space within it is not,
And similarly, when the body dies the Self in it remains eternal. - Ramana Maharishi


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: g00ru]
    #14401183 - 05/04/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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your self/ego is only going to be as stable as your habits.  You need to have huge life goals and dreams that you're working towards, other wise you're just neither here nor there. But why want your ego back? It's not the idea of yourself that's good...that's what holds you back.  It's just achievements, goals,...that's what i want in life, i don't give a fuck about my current transitory ego, it gets smashed pretty frequently anyways :lol:



I feel like without it I have no more achievements or goals. I feel like people like the idea of me more than they like me. I am neither here nor there. I am the fool on the hill.

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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14401200 - 05/04/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you gotta believe in yourself man, one day at a time just start building something, you have to have dreams to be a happy human, you have to be able to have a good imagination about your future.


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: g00ru]
    #14401233 - 05/04/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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well it really does dissociate from your thoughts more, but for me all i really needed to do was chill the fuck out, my main problem was anxiety.  The "dissociation" isn't a bad thing if you can live with it, actually it can be a source of power, you're more of a "high" being, more detached and able to see things from a perspective most people cant (and it's not a bad perspective).

'That inner Self, as the primeval Spirit,
Eternal, ever effulgent, full and infinite Bliss,
Single, indivisible, whole and living,
Shines in everyone as the witnessing awareness.
That self in its splendour, shining in the cavity of the heart
This self is neither born nor dies,
Neither grows nor decays,
Nor does it suffer any change.
When a pot is broken, the space within it is not,
And similarly, when the body dies the Self in it remains eternal. - Ramana Maharishi




I want THAT sort of dissociation to be able to look at things in a better light.

My dissociation keeps me from feeling emotions that I want. For example, I can be with my girlfriend and daughter, and neither of them will hold any emotion to me. And it's scary. It's like fear is the only emotion I can have sometimes. It keeps me distanced, and people can tell.

I would venture to say that my anxiety is an issue as well. I've been trying to stay less dependent on my benzo's for help with my anxiety, because they keep me feeling like a zombie (which is nice sometimes, but not how I want to always feel).


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: bholzer]
    #14401240 - 05/04/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

oh yeah, its anxiety bro.  cut it off at the source (the mind)


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14401690 - 05/04/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I partly get that you are aware that you have achieved something and I also am aware that you are resentful about what you no longer have.

people that lock into this often get treated for OCD, if you wanted you could be diagnosed and treated.

I am not sure you really need that, but if you can't turn this into something positive on your own, then you probably should and nobody here will think the worse of you.

to turn this around you need to find your new self in between the fragments and you have to like it. this is not something we are trained to do. yeah, meditation can help that, but it's not easy.

at least you don't need to be exorcised.

maybe you have a gestalt treatment center in your town, they can be excellent.


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: Psicodelico]
    #14401735 - 05/04/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Psychedelic drugs destroy some people's minds.  No one understands the complex interactions between these chemicals and your brain.  But I think it is instructive to realize these drugs bring about psychotic, delusional, and schizophrenic type states, right?  We call it tripping, but in the 1950s doctors believed they induced textbook schizophrenia.  Some minds have more difficulty bouncing back to normal than others due to genetics, environment, past use, etc.  I think if you value your sanity, you'd not tinker any further with that delicate organ in your head.

Think of each trip as brain trauma.  How many much more can it take?  Imagine your description in the original post becomes your new normal.  Yikes.




Do you have any scientific proof for all these statements? Any drug has an impact in the brain, it doesn't necessarily mean that it destroys the brain but it does affect it. And NO! it is not all psychedelic drugs that have psychotic, delusional, and schizophrenic effects on the human mind. Why you taking in account 1950's medical 'studies' anyways? I dnt think you should think as each trip as a trauma but an experience, learning and absorbing whatever the trip teaches you. lady or whoever you are, I dnt even know why you are in this forum if all you say is nonsense without any scientific reason, only cheap morality.

For the author of the topic I'd suggest Terence McKenna's book 'True Hallucinations' where he goes on days and days tripping in the amazon with his brother and a couple friends exploring all realms of psychedelic drugs. really awesome stuff!:thumbup:




You don't really know what you are saying do  you?  People can be severely FUCKEd up from psychedelics, and they are most deffinately not for MOST people.  They are very intense and can be very traumatic in many cases.  You really cant just talk away a bad experience bro.  YOU HAVE NO CONTROL... and ifyou dont realize that... TAKE SOME SHROOMS BITCH :dancer:

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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: eckhem]
    #14401753 - 05/04/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Psychedelic drugs destroy some people's minds.  No one understands the complex interactions between these chemicals and your brain.  But I think it is instructive to realize these drugs bring about psychotic, delusional, and schizophrenic type states, right?  We call it tripping, but in the 1950s doctors believed they induced textbook schizophrenia.  Some minds have more difficulty bouncing back to normal than others due to genetics, environment, past use, etc.  I think if you value your sanity, you'd not tinker any further with that delicate organ in your head.

Think of each trip as brain trauma.  How many much more can it take?  Imagine your description in the original post becomes your new normal.  Yikes.




Do you have any scientific proof for all these statements? Any drug has an impact in the brain, it doesn't necessarily mean that it destroys the brain but it does affect it. And NO! it is not all psychedelic drugs that have psychotic, delusional, and schizophrenic effects on the human mind. Why you taking in account 1950's medical 'studies' anyways? I dnt think you should think as each trip as a trauma but an experience, learning and absorbing whatever the trip teaches you. lady or whoever you are, I dnt even know why you are in this forum if all you say is nonsense without any scientific reason, only cheap morality.

For the author of the topic I'd suggest Terence McKenna's book 'True Hallucinations' where he goes on days and days tripping in the amazon with his brother and a couple friends exploring all realms of psychedelic drugs. really awesome stuff!:thumbup:




You don't really know what you are saying do  you?  People can be severely FUCKEd up from psychedelics, and they are most deffinately not for MOST people.  They are very intense and can be very traumatic in many cases.  You really cant just talk away a bad experience bro.  YOU HAVE NO CONTROL... and ifyou dont realize that... TAKE SOME SHROOMS BITCH :dancer:



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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: bholzer]
    #14401764 - 05/04/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ive seen a few casualties in my day..


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: k00laid]
    #14401891 - 05/04/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I can't trip without getting naked.:winning1:


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14401899 - 05/04/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dude i am actually the same way.

if i am not in a situation where i can take off my clothes as i so please. i won't eat any psychadelics.


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: t23]
    #14403033 - 05/04/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"No one understands the complex interactions between these chemicals and your brain.  But I think it is instructive to realize these drugs bring about psychotic, delusional, and schizophrenic type states, right?  We call it tripping, but in the 1950s doctors believed they induced textbook schizophrenia... I think if you value your sanity, you'd not tinker any further with that delicate organ in your head."

I dnt wanto to create a pointless argument but this quote has no value at all for the thread. These drugs do not always bring delusional, psychotic and schizophrenic states, even though a lot of people comment on this forum about experiences such as this thread, in my general experience with friends and ppl around me, psychedelics, if taken in the right 'set and setting', have a lot more to contribute than to harm the human mind.
I'm not going any further because this conversation has lost its value.


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Re: cant trip without dissociating [Re: Psicodelico]
    #14403046 - 05/04/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

psychedelics are playing with fire as you're basically just energy bombing yourself, and the very act of taking a drug sort of implies some sort of egotistical motivation, imo, at least a little bit.  Of course that's why respecting the drug is good and you should know why you're takin it.  It's a toughie cause it's totally possible to advance in life spiritually and all that without tripping.  But sometimes it can be a shove in the right direction, but the thing is its always gonna be a shove in some direction


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