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can i save my grain?
    #14400921 - 05/04/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

about 4-5 days ago i injected some LC into some pint jars with clean WBS. unfortunately i added too much of the liquid and offset the balance, i was screwing around and though more LC would mean a more aggressive colonization...


my question is, if i were to take the grain, rinse it off really well, maybe wash it with a bit of antibacterial soap, and throw it in the PC for an hour would it be okay for me to try again?


preparing WBS is a pain to wash off and clean and wait and then PC, i'm looking for a shortcut.


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: Adam553]
    #14400947 - 05/04/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no shortcuts...

if you think you messed up then just start over, its much easier and probably a better idea.


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: Synocybin]
    #14400966 - 05/04/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you sure? theres no signs of contam.... in theory it still should be good


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: Adam553]
    #14400972 - 05/04/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There is definitely no reason for soap etc if you're thinking of PC'ing again.. That's just likely to retard/abort growth.

I would start over too though... :2cents:


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: egodeathflux]
    #14400989 - 05/04/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

bah, i have this crappy birdseed that has tons of this black stuff in it... anyone know of a really fast and easy way to rinse out the crap from WBS. strainers DONT work, i have to use metal strainers with a fine wire mesh to keep the seeds from going down the sink. even then its still a long tedious process.


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: egodeathflux]
    #14401011 - 05/04/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If there was a shortcut to using grains everyone would be using it and you'd see the tek all over this forum

Not to be a dick but how much time did you cut off with this shortcut?

I'm curious how many cc's you shot into each jar?

When doing grains its best to follow the teks to a T just start over,you know what not to do now Good Luck!


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: Adam553]
    #14401023 - 05/04/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bah, i have this crappy birdseed that has tons of this black stuff in it... anyone know of a really fast and easy way to rinse out the crap from WBS. strainers DONT work, i have to use metal strainers with a fine wire mesh to keep the seeds from going down the sink. even then its still a long tedious process.




Black stuff? you mean husks from the seed? If thats what it is its fine to just rinse the mycelium will colonize it


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14401040 - 05/04/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

OP, I inject 5ccs of LC into my QT jars, 4 into my pints, and 2-3 into my 1/2 pints. I also prepare my grain on the wet side as well. I've yet to have problems with this as long as I shake the hell out of the jar right after inoculation!

Make sure to shake your grain jars for a good 2-5 mins after knocking up with LC. that way the myc will come into contact with everything and grow everywhere at once. It'll beat out any contams and colonize within 1.5 weeks, sometimes sooner. Let sit to consolidate for another 1-3 weeks and you're grain spawn will be perfect! (thats how i've been doing mine)


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14401116 - 05/04/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's in there now. Why not leave it and see what happens. If it is good LC, (no contams) it might colonize just fine.
I read a tek for WBS that says to fill jars 1/2 way & then add water so that the water level is about 1 inch below the top of the WBS. Then PC.
I'm trying it now, and will try another in a day or 2.
They swore that there was no measuring involved, all done by eyeball.


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: mabachko]
    #14401154 - 05/04/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no by black stuff i mean tiny little grains of what might be additives for birds.


i tried an experiment too. instead of soaking overnight, my new batch was just cleaned, and simmered for about 20 minutes, rinsed off, let it sit until it wasn't dripping and i PC'd it.


my problem was i injected about 5ccs into a pint jar, too much. i was reading up on moisture in jars and sometimes people flip them upside down to get rid of it, so thats where i'm at now.


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: Adam553]
    #14401158 - 05/04/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

nevermind


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14401159 - 05/04/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you want an easier grain try rye berries, imo they are easier to rinse/dry and dont fall out of a strainer as easily. they are usually at a comparable price to birdseed, maybe a bit more expensive :thumbup:


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: Adam553]
    #14401171 - 05/04/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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no by black stuff i mean tiny little grains of what might be additives for birds.


i tried an experiment too. instead of soaking overnight, my new batch was just cleaned, and simmered for about 20 minutes, rinsed off, let it sit until it wasn't dripping and i PC'd it.


my problem was i injected about 5ccs into a pint jar, too much. i was reading up on moisture in jars and sometimes people flip them upside down to get rid of it, so thats where i'm at now.




I inject 5 cc's into my jars (as I stated above). The myc might look a little mushy for a bit, but as long as your PC did the job and you LC is good, the myc should beat out the contams as long as you shook good after inoculation.

DONT tip the jar upside down, that could ruin your filter.... just leave it

The soaking overnight is to allow the bacteria to start growing so the PC can kill it. If you don't soak, you have much better chance for contams.


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~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14401250 - 05/04/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't recycle grains.

If WBS is messy start buying Rye. That or clean up the mess and don't complain.


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: TrustYourSelf]
    #14401278 - 05/04/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i'll be going with the lazy approach and just letting them sit to see what happens.


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: Adam553]
    #14401287 - 05/04/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i'll be going with the lazy approach and just letting them sit to see what happens.




Don't let moisture collect at the bottom. A healthy shaking can do wonders sometimes. Just dont overdo it.


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: TrustYourSelf]
    #14401433 - 05/04/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i'll be going with the lazy approach and just letting them sit to see what happens.




Don't let moisture collect at the bottom. A healthy shaking can do wonders sometimes. Just dont overdo it.




wtf are you talking about? as long as he shook after inoculation, he's good to go.


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I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14401511 - 05/04/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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wtf are you talking about? as long as he shook after inoculation, he's good to go.




He said he used "too much" LC. If you let moisture collect at the bottom its more likely you'll get wet spot or another type of mold.

Too much moisture is a bad thing especially if it all pools at the bottom. But you cant keep shaking them forever.


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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: TrustYourSelf]
    #14401657 - 05/04/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

shortcut to prepping grains?

sry thats where the work is.

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Re: can i save my grain? [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14401665 - 05/04/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No you can't shake them forever... you shake them once after inoculation.

I said above:
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OP, I inject 5ccs of LC into my QT jars, 4 into my pints, and 2-3 into my 1/2 pints. I also prepare my grain on the wet side as well. I've yet to have problems with this as long as I shake the hell out of the jar right after inoculation!

Make sure to shake your grain jars for a good 2-5 mins after knocking up with LC. that way the myc will come into contact with everything and grow everywhere at once. It'll beat out any contams and colonize within 1.5 weeks, sometimes sooner. Let sit to consolidate for another 1-3 weeks and you're grain spawn will be perfect! (thats how i've been doing mine)





All my WBS jars are prepared wet, I dont even let the steam fully evaporate the water off the grains before pressure cooking them. I've not had a single contam doing it this way either. Shaking well right after initial inoculation will allow the myc to take over any baterial contam that tries to show up. Trust me as I watch every single one of my jars at 100% colonization in less than 2 weeks (normally 1-1.5 weeks tops, I'm being modest saying 2 weeks)


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FYI: I stole all my pix off google! F+ PORN! Here is a shit-ton of porn by yours truly!

I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~


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