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Vsnares.Zappa
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Re: How does LSD trigger schizophrenia? [Re: Austrip]
#14400697 - 05/04/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tripping changed my perception of the world around me permanently... Does being disconnected from consensus reality make you psychotic ? How far disconnected from it you got to be in order to be labeled as Schizo ?
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Harri


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Re: How does LSD trigger schizophrenia? [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
#14400721 - 05/04/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Vsnares.Zappa said: Tripping changed my perception of the world around me permanently... Does being disconnected from consensus reality make you psychotic ? How far disconnected from it you got to be in order to be labeled as Schizo ?
I think being disconnected from reality isnt bad unless it gets out of control. perfect example of the insane kind of crazy.
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Austrip
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Re: How does LSD trigger schizophrenia? [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
#14400729 - 05/04/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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its actually not that far out from normality you have to go before the medical society would label you as psychotic. But with that said, if a doctor read half the spiritual crazy ideas people post here then we would all be labeled as crazies.
feeling separated from reality after a big trip is normal, its a shock to the body and mind to go from another dimension and come back to the dull world we have.
I compare it to the problem that celebrities have, a lot of them when they come off a big show or finish a movie return to a normal live where theres nobody watching them, nobody interested, no crowd and they go bat shit fucking crazy from it. They get so used to have 10,000 people in front of them that when it's just them back in normality it doesn't seem normal anymore.
hope that makes sense haha
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Vsnares.Zappa
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Re: How does LSD trigger schizophrenia? [Re: Harri]
#14400765 - 05/04/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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hahahahahaha !!!!! I feel better about my sanity upon seeing this 
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Harri


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Re: How does LSD trigger schizophrenia? [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
#14400808 - 05/04/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you saying this is guy isn't normal? I see no problem with his methods
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Nunbuh_Chrubble
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Re: How does LSD trigger schizophrenia? [Re: Harri]
#14400990 - 05/04/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD#Psychosis
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There are some cases of LSD inducing a psychosis in people who appeared to be healthy before taking LSD.[67] In most cases, the psychosis-like reaction is of short duration, but in other cases it may be chronic. It is difficult to determine whether LSD itself induces these reactions or if it triggers latent conditions that would have manifested themselves otherwise. The similarities of time course and outcomes between putatively LSD-precipitated and other psychoses suggest that the two types of syndromes are not different and that LSD may have been a nonspecific trigger.
Estimates of the prevalence of LSD-induced prolonged psychosis lasting over 48 hours have been made by surveying researchers and therapists who had administered LSD:
* Cohen (1960) estimated 0.8 per 1,000 volunteers (the single case among approximately 1250 study volunteers was the identical twin of a schizophrenic and he recovered within 5 days) and 1.8 per 1,000 psychiatric patients (7 cases among approximately 3850 patients, of which 2 cases were "preschizophrenic" or had previous hallucinatory experience, 1 case had unknown outcome, 1 case had incomplete recovery, and 5 cases recovered within up to 6 months).[68] * Malleson (1971) reported no cases of psychosis among experimental subjects (170 volunteers who received a total of 450 LSD sessions) and estimated 9 per 1,000 among psychiatric patients (37 cases among 4300 patients, of which 8 details are unknown, 10 appeared chronic, and 19 recovered completely within up to 3 months).[42]
However, in neither survey study was it possible to compare the rate of lasting psychosis in these volunteers and patients receiving LSD with the rate of psychosis found in other groups of research volunteers or in other methods of psychiatric treatment (for example, those receiving placebo).
Cohen (1960) noted:[68]
"The hallucinogenic experience is so striking that many subsequent disturbances may be attributed to it without further justification. The highly suggestible or hysterical individual would tend to focus on his LSD experience to explain subsequent illness. Patients have complained to Abramson that their LSD exposure produced migraine headaches and attacks of influenza up to a year later. One Chinese girl became paraplegic and ascribed that catastrophe to LSD. It so happened that these people were all in the control group and had received nothing but tap water."
Peter Green, founder of the band Fleetwood Mac, is a popular example of a psychosis, Schizophrenia in this instance, attributed to LSD abuse.[69]
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redgreenvines
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who we are and what we are is closely connected both our habits and our genetics come into play.
my father-in-law's whole family has what looks like parkinson's disease but it is actually non-essential tremors - i.e. habit - a habit of shaking while trying to focus. nerves you might say.
things that are repeated become engrained and nearly impossible to stop.
why then does his whole family have it, is genetics giving a habit? no, more likely the exposure of family members to eachother is more likely how the behavior is passed on.
weird but not so weird.
shizophrenia is a disease that is a lot like non-essential tremor. when it is established it is definitely a physical illness with chemical imballance, but while it is getting established, it is more in the category of behavior, patterns of reaction, phrases and gestures, timing and side comments, a style of resisting accepting what is happening...
when the habits get engrained they become the personality, but the kind of habits they are contribute to what we have come to regard as paranoid schizophrenia.
the behaviors get intense and a feedback effect occurs changing the brain chemistry, and voila, classic schizophrenia.
and that it runs in the family is not much different than nonessential tremor. a tranfer of habit of behavior complexes.
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ok so what about psychedelics triggering this stuff, well, psychedelic will facilitate simultaneous layers of sensation and mentation, as if time was both standing still and marching on. in this way we can have one personality reaction and it will continue while we have another one, and while they both continue we can experience a commentary to both of them, and it really feels nuts.
the content of the voices of those personalities will be what we normally experience, so if we have been playing in an area that is close to paranoid schizophrenia, this will be fine opportunity to have multiple antagonistic personality gestures concurrent in the mind, and it can really be enough to set a precedent.
it is just an amplification of what we already are.
the predisposition is the kind of thinking and role playing that we are accustomed to. it relates to family psychodrama and to school psychodrama.
I recommend studying to get a good perspective on how what we do becomes habit, in order to be a good tripper and avoid the dangers. also dose wisely and be gentle with your life.
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