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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14399250 - 05/04/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Everything that has happened is the result of our ambition to gain access to resources and nothing more. Anything that has happened and will happen is a direct result from that.






LOL

that is all




i never said this. get your quotes straight.





lol... no clue what happened there

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14399264 - 05/04/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Oweyervishice said:
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it's simple, if you rob a bank and the cops come in and shoot at but miss
you and kill an innocent bystander, you're responsible for the death of
the innocent, had you not robbed that bank the cops wouldnt have been
there, the death never would have happened.




Had it not been for the robber's upbringing and his situation in life, he might not have robbed the bank at all.  Let's blame his parents and everyone who had a hand in making him greedy and desperate, as well as the people who helped create the gun itself! But wait, we need to trace the blame back through their lives as well.




complete nonsense, personal responsibility doesnt mean blaming your
parents because you decided to break the laws, it also doesnt mean you can
reject the consequences of your actions when others are harmed by them

who raises their kids to kill or steal? I dont know any parents that did so

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14399278 - 05/04/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My shoddy examples aside, the point is that you can point blame anywhere, endlessly.  Like blaming the bank robber for the cop's bad aim.

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14399291 - 05/04/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Oweyervishice said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
it's simple, if you rob a bank and the cops come in and shoot at but miss
you and kill an innocent bystander, you're responsible for the death of
the innocent, had you not robbed that bank the cops wouldnt have been
there, the death never would have happened.




Had it not been for the robber's upbringing and his situation in life, he might not have robbed the bank at all.  Let's blame his parents and everyone who had a hand in making him greedy and desperate, as well as the people who helped create the gun itself! But wait, we need to trace the blame back through their lives as well.




complete nonsense, personal responsibility doesnt mean blaming your
parents because you decided to break the laws, it also doesnt mean you can
reject the consequences of your actions when others are harmed by them





:header:

now people are going to point out the hypocrisy in that statement! i totally agree, if a cop harms an innocent person while trying to stop someone doing something terrible it is the person doing the terrible shits fault, not the cops.

but everyone else is going to say "well then why cant the cop take responsibility for being a bad shot and killing the kid?"

:durrhurr: such is life.

its still the robbers fault. parental upbringing doesnt have that large of an effect on an individuals outlook on life and behavior. both of my parents are what i would describe as "vehemently anti-drug". neither of them have ever mentioned chemistry. neither of them share the vast majority of my opinions. yet im over here doing my thing.

it has nothing to do with them.

thats my argument against the "well lets keep pushing the blame off further back" statement.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14399293 - 05/04/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Oweyervishice said:
My shoddy examples aside, the point is that you can point blame anywhere, endlessly.  Like blaming the bank robber for the cop's bad aim.




if the bank robbery wasnt occurring would the cops bad aim have killed the bank customer?

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14399298 - 05/04/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Oweyervishice said:
My shoddy examples aside, the point is that you can point blame anywhere, endlessly.  Like blaming the bank robber for the cop's bad aim.




hahaha you said exactly what i was writing a post about, while i was writing the post.

:lmafo:

i am nostradamus, predicter of future events.



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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14399310 - 05/04/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Oweyervishice said:
My shoddy examples aside, the point is that you can point blame anywhere, endlessly.  Like blaming the bank robber for the cop's bad aim.




if the bank robbery wasnt occurring would the cops bad aim have killed the bank customer?




No.  I'm not denying that.

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14399315 - 05/04/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

once more

if the bank robbery wasnt occurring would the cops bad aim have killed the bank customer?

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14399321 - 05/04/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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once more

if the bank robbery wasnt occurring would the cops bad aim have killed the bank customer?




hey bro, dont reply to me like that.

im agreeing with you.

im just telling you why everyone else is going to disagree.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14399331 - 05/04/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The whole reason we delved into this analogy was because there is a tug-of-war in this thread over who is the "bad guy" in the blood-for-blood cycle happening on earth.  I think it's a futile argument, that's all. 
This game where we pass the blame potato around isn't going anywhere besides a dead end with a big pile of bodies in it.

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14399367 - 05/04/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

America will always need a bad guy to go after. I wonder who the next will be?


And pris I really do not understand how you cannot see where so many of
us are coming from. You refuse to find common ground in any argument on
any topic that is not in line with youre very own beliefs.

If you are right about everything why dont you sit down and write a
book. Surely you can make the would a better place with youre superior knowledge.

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
    #14399376 - 05/04/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think he just picks the side that everyone can argue against in every debate. Gotta admit, he keeps shit going on here more than anyone tho. That's why I love him and want to pee on him at the same time.


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My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Kada]
    #14399386 - 05/04/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think he just picks the side that everyone can argue against in every debate. Gotta admit, he keeps shit going on here more than anyone tho. That's why I love him and want to pee on him at the same time.





I hear ya. And he can be a funny bastard at time too. I just wish he could
find common ground sometimes. Its very easy to do is a debate such as this.

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Kada]
    #14399388 - 05/04/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

according to several sources, he has been dead for years. something about kidney failure and the usa putting him on ice to use later on. the old look over here while i shove this in there trick...

the usa is in big financial trouble and i believe this is all propaganda. Even if they did kill him, who gives a fuck. Whos to say he even did what they say he did.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14399408 - 05/04/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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And pris I really do not understand how you cannot see where so many of
us are coming from. You refuse to find common ground in any argument on
any topic that is not in line with youre very own beliefs.




how can I see what I am not shown, someone makes a claim and refuses to back
it up, another makes a claim and fails to provide proof, I'm discussing
facts, you guys are tossing out opinion, why can you not find the common
ground, why can you not see it my way, why must I be the one to bend and
accpt your opinion as fact when you reject fact I present?

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: CorrosiveLiquid]
    #14399415 - 05/04/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Pris and Sam and a lot of other people truly don't believe in personal responsibility.

You people have repeatedly typed that if person A shoots and kills person B instead of his target, person C that person C is RESPONSIBLE for the shooting of person B.

You people are marching yourselves straight into hell.  You are twisting your own mental faculties and your modes of thinking about the world to make things seem right to you.

Logically you're talking ridiculous.  If I shoot a kid in the face but meant to shoot the guy that's holding him hostage I am what is termed "Directly responsible" for that person's death.

You people are identifying and presenting "indirect responsibility", i.e. a kidnapper kidnapping and holding a kid hostage and are trying to transmute it into direct responsibility SIMPLY because it fits the story that you want to tell yourselves.

All parties involved may be "involved in" or "indirectly related to" the event, but to state that a person that didn't shoot someone in the head is "Directly responsible" for them being shot in the head is illogical.

And it's sad and it's scary and it's disappointing.  I really get disappointed when intelligent people suspend cognition and critical thinking just so that they can tell the story how they want to hear it.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14399418 - 05/04/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:

And pris I really do not understand how you cannot see where so many of
us are coming from. You refuse to find common ground in any argument on
any topic that is not in line with youre very own beliefs.




how can I see what I am not shown, someone makes a claim and refuses to back
it up, another makes a claim and fails to provide proof, I'm discussing
facts, you guys are tossing out opinion, why can you not find the common
ground, why can you not see it my way, why must I be the one to bend and
accpt your opinion as fact when you reject fact I present?




i love you.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Humility]
    #14399423 - 05/04/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Pris and Sam and a lot of other people truly don't believe in personal responsibility.




wow thats a fucking stretch.

maybe you should read more of my posts to see exactly where you went wrong with that one.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14399429 - 05/04/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kada said:
I think he just picks the side that everyone can argue against in every debate. Gotta admit, he keeps shit going on here more than anyone tho. That's why I love him and want to pee on him at the same time.





I hear ya. And he can be a funny bastard at time too. I just wish he could
find common ground sometimes. Its very easy to do is a debate such as this.





we've found common ground, we all believe we shouldnt be involved in this
bullshit but we're there so what we believe means nothing to the government,
see, more common ground

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14399440 - 05/04/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:

And pris I really do not understand how you cannot see where so many of
us are coming from. You refuse to find common ground in any argument on
any topic that is not in line with youre very own beliefs.




how can I see what I am not shown, someone makes a claim and refuses to back
it up, another makes a claim and fails to provide proof, I'm discussing
facts, you guys are tossing out opinion, why can you not find the common
ground, why can you not see it my way, why must I be the one to bend and
accpt your opinion as fact when you reject fact I present?





I didnt say you should accept my or anyone elses opinion. I just want you to
find common ground with us sometimes.

In a time of financial distress we spend trillion on defense and war that directly
or indirectly is killing thousands upon thousands of people. And what good is it
really doing for anyone? Keep the US from being attacked?

I mean these are not claims in which I should have to propose any kind of "evidence"
to understand where I and many others come from.

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