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OfflineKada
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: cacharstar]
    #14398711 - 05/04/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Weapons are instruments of evil, not the instruments of a good ruler.
When he uses them unavoidably, he regards calm restraint as the best principle.
Even when he is victorious, he does not regard it as praiseworthy,
For to praise victory is to delight in the slaughter of men. -Lao Tzu

Thought it fitting in this thread as well.


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"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14398713 - 05/04/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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unam sanctum said:
My point is we were much better off  when we were isolationists.  We never had to intervene or don't you see that? 




isolationism doesnt work, I can see opening up trade but intervention into the politics of other nations needs to stop


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This is all about 500+ trillion cubic meters of natural gas under the Caspian Sea basin. 





bullshit... it's about oil, it's about natural gas, it's about yadda yadda yadda yackity schmackity

where's my cheap petrol, how much iraqi oil is shipped to the US, how much
was shipped here prior to the invasion, how much of this caspian gas are
we getting, how much were we getting before. the taliban signed a deal to
allow a pipeline through the nation which would have pumped around $4bn/yr
into their economy yet we still launched a war against Afghanistan. The
Taliban was even jumping through the US hoops to become the recognized
government in afghanistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentGas

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398721 - 05/04/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Please watch this closely, research it a bit before passing the verdict of tinfoil hattery.

The World Trade Center REALLY wasnt a symbolic or randomly chosen target by Al Quaida. It was a strategic target just as much as hitting the Pentagon.




I know exactly why the WTC buildings were targeted, same reasons as in 1993,
no different than a bunch of misguided neo hippies posting on the internet
about the huge evil corporations that they depend on for all their needs
including the ability to defame them on the internet

the economic hitman shit has been thoroughly trashed

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398729 - 05/04/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey freedom of speech right :awesome:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398734 - 05/04/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

For now.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398742 - 05/04/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Hey freedom of speech right :awesome:




meh, usually sounds more like "freedom of bigotry" to me.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398755 - 05/04/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Hey freedom of speech right :awesome:




freedom of belief, I dont have to buy into the guy's crap

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398762 - 05/04/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Please watch this closely, research it a bit before passing the verdict of tinfoil hattery.

The World Trade Center REALLY wasnt a symbolic or randomly chosen target by Al Quaida. It was a strategic target just as much as hitting the Pentagon.




I know exactly why the WTC buildings were targeted, same reasons as in 1993,
no different than a bunch of misguided neo hippies posting on the internet
about the huge evil corporations that they depend on for all their needs
including the ability to defame them on the internet

the economic hitman shit has been thoroughly trashed



Everything that has happened is the result of our ambition to gain access to resources and nothing more. Anything that has happened and will happen is a direct result from that.


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"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398783 - 05/04/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Please watch this closely, research it a bit before passing the verdict of tinfoil hattery.

The World Trade Center REALLY wasnt a symbolic or randomly chosen target by Al Quaida. It was a strategic target just as much as hitting the Pentagon.




I know exactly why the WTC buildings were targeted, same reasons as in 1993,
no different than a bunch of misguided neo hippies posting on the internet
about the huge evil corporations that they depend on for all their needs
including the ability to defame them on the internet

the economic hitman shit has been thoroughly trashed




hey now, let's not start defending capitalism here

your witch-hunt like rhetoric against anyone who criticizes corporations seems to be almost a knee jerk reaction, perhaps even fear based. why do we need corporations to rule the world? profit based solutions aren't solvent until sustainability becomes profitable, which it won't if the main goal in mind is always money


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Kada]
    #14398790 - 05/04/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

gerryjarcia said:
Everything that has happened is the result of our ambition to gain access to resources and nothing more. Anything that has happened and will happen is a direct result from that.






LOL

that is all

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398868 - 05/04/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)




The eyes of the patriot fixed through the scope
The unknowing tyrant walks to the rope
It's when murder is justice that martyrs are made
A one-gun salute for the new independence day
They'll hallow your name
They'll hallow your name for your sacrifice
The sins of deliverance
"So let the wicked perish in the presence of God"
The sins of the father atoned by the son
Confessions of commitments broken
A nail driven for every one (of them)
It's when murder is justice that martyrs are made
A one-gun salute for the new independence day
They'll hallow your name
They'll hallow your name for your sacrifice
You are the cause, I am the effect
Created in hatred, a noose for your neck
The eyes of the patriot fixed through the scope
The unknowing tyrant walks through the rope
They'll hallow your name

:hairmetal:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14398873 - 05/04/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i could pretty much post the whole "ashes of the wake" album by lamb of god in this thread.

its definitely relevant. :lol:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: AntiEverything]
    #14398881 - 05/04/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Capitalism rules, it allows misguided people to preach on about all
the wrongs in the world for a couple of hours and then go
about their lifes satisfied they changed something. Well that
and recycling...:awesomenod:

Way to go you noble souls! Changing the world one hateful and often dumb
rant at a time!
:awegroove:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14398886 - 05/04/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

heres another good one.

Now You've Got Something to Die For - Lamb of God

Now you've got something to die for
Now you've got something to die for
Infidel, imperial
Lust for blood, a blind crusade
Apocalyptic, we count the days

Bombs to set the people free, blood to feed the dollar tree
Flags for coffins on the screen, oil for the machine
Army of liberation, gunpoint indoctrination
The fires of sedition
Fulfill the prophecy

Now you've got something to die for
Now you've got something to die for

Send the children to the fire, sons and daughters stack the pyre
Stoke the flame of the empire, live to lie another day
Face of hypocrasy, raping democracy
Apocalyptic, we count the days

We'll never get out of this hole
Until we've dug our own grave
And drug the rest down with us
The burning home of the brave
Burn.

Now you've got something to die for
Now you've got something to die for


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14398931 - 05/04/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am glad he was unarmed.  Rather that than lose a SEAL, caughtem with his pants down and killed him, bravo.

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398937 - 05/04/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

gerryjarcia said:
Everything that has happened is the result of our ambition to gain access to resources and nothing more. Anything that has happened and will happen is a direct result from that.






LOL

that is all




i never said this. get your quotes straight.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: PreparationH]
    #14398939 - 05/04/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You've got the sickness bro.


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I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398942 - 05/04/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
it's simple, if you rob a bank and the cops come in and shoot at but miss
you and kill an innocent bystander, you're responsible for the death of
the innocent, had you not robbed that bank the cops wouldnt have been
there, the death never would have happened.




Had it not been for the robber's upbringing and his situation in life, he might not have robbed the bank at all.  Let's blame his parents and everyone who had a hand in making him greedy and desperate, as well as the people who helped create the gun itself! But wait, we need to trace the blame back through their lives as well.
The fact that the world is a violent place is what got the innocent shot.  It's really Jesus', Satan's, and the rest of the crew's fault for stuffing us in a faulty universe I guess. :shrug:

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: 13.step]
    #14398949 - 05/04/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

13.step said:
Capitalism rules, it allows misguided people to preach on about all
the wrongs in the world for a couple of hours and then go
about their lifes satisfied they changed something. Well that
and recycling...:awesomenod:

Way to go you noble souls! Changing the world one hateful and often dumb
rant at a time!
:awegroove:



and what is your negativity doing to help our socio-economic-ecological problem? what is hateful about attempting to help the environment and our fellow man? what is dumb about not allowing consumption to rule our lives? what is dumb about unifying the world with strong social order?

as far as consumer abdication goes (recycling, neo-hippie green fixies aka: bullshit), that is actually exactly what is wrong with capitalism. it applies quick fix solutions to global ecological problems and inherent sustainability issues, when people feel like they are doing something good for the environment when they are actually consuming -> polluting, the system is messed up. the only way to actually cause change is by talking about it, personal agency is perhaps the only solvent way to tackle the problem, it starts from the ground up, you can't rely on the government to change the problem, it takes awareness from the people. if i can change one ignorant person's mind about that issue, that is one less apathetic consumer. we are forced to consume, we should not be. being off the grid and sustainable is not profitable, and extremely costly (why? it should not be this way). not polluting by being a bum is disengaging, won't help the cause, and causes social-ostrisization. this is the only ROA so to speak to even do anything.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Kada]
    #14398960 - 05/04/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kada said:
You've got the sickness bro.



As opposed to what? Having him shot back potentially killing someone we've poured thousands of dollars into to train to be a navy seal?  Or that we should have hogtied him and brought him to the states to waste even more money and execute him with the lethal injection anyways?

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