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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14398574 - 05/04/11 06:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The wars are not the same no. But it does not change the fact on how we
take care of business and why I am simply against anything we do as far as war
is concerned.




I guess you're still unaware that this isnt america business, this is UN business, these are coalition forces, it's several nations

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You cant put the deaths of all thos people solely on Osama. Doesnt make it right.




you mean I cant do exactly what you did, you listed bush as having killed 40,000 civilians in his first year at war

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Its not "padded" if the deaths are actual deaths. Sure some are killed in various
ways including by their own people. But even if the numbers were say 20,000 civilian
deaths that is completely unacceptable.




it's certainly padded, it's fatted like a christmas goose, no US troops
set IEDs, went out and bombed buses or any of that shit, the body count
you're pulling from is absurd since it includes as I already mentioned any
violent death in these countries so if someone was killed in a dispute
over a goat it was blamed on US forces, if they were killed in an auto
accident because they were driving too fast, they pinned it on the US
forces, if they were killed by a roadside bomb, us forces were t blame
according to your statistics but they dont stop there, they go ahead and
tack on an extra 20% for good measure

then of course insurgents are counted in those stats as civilians because
they arent a regular army, other insurgents come in and snatch up weapons,
maybe you've forgotten the whole 'collateral murder' video where the
alleged ambulance came in to grab up survivors and weapons and put 2
children in danger by dragging them into a hot zone, he and a dozen others
were killed because they were insurgents, they were armed and going into
areas where fighting was occuring

but that's not all, your number of 40,000 in the first year is greatly
exaggerated to start with, even with you cutting that number in half it
still is nearly double the inflated figures put out by Iraq Body Count who
lists the honor killings and auto accidents as being caused by US troops
while overlooking that crime accounts for more than a third of those
deaths, that 'unknown agents' account for another 12%, other causes
including the insurgents account for another 20% or more leaving a grand
total of around 24000 actual civilian casualties. now of course if we go
by the lancet survey there's more than 600,000 civilian deaths, and many
others combine all the totals to give us some of those figures

but hey... it's all arbitrary anyway give that had saddam complied with
the surrender agreement none of this would have dropped on iraq beaning
all these deaths are saddam's fault including the deaths of coalition forces

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398581 - 05/04/11 07:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NAVY SEALS DO NOT SHOOT A GUY IN THE HEAD IN A GUN FIGHT OR ANY DYNAMIC SITUATION, THEY GO FOR THE CENTRAL BODY MASS, THIS WAS AN EXECUTION. THERE WAS TIME HERE FOR A GOOD AIM.





you shoot what ever target presents it's self

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=7325633&page=1

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14398584 - 05/04/11 07:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Pris, settin' us all straight :doublefacepalm:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398587 - 05/04/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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but hey... it's all arbitrary anyway give that had saddam complied with
the surrender agreement none of this would have dropped on iraq beaning
all these deaths are saddam's fault including the deaths of coalition forces




That's great logic.  All these deaths had and have nothing to do the CIA and NSA providing falsified intelligence to our ignorant assbackwards president who in turned essentially lied to the American people who asked congress to act, which doesn't mater because the invasion was still a violation of UN security mandates.

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398590 - 05/04/11 07:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"It's not a bunch of cowboys out there," he said. "It was a very controlled situation."





That probably was the case here too. Lets do some amateur trajectory forensics when we get the death picture.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14398621 - 05/04/11 07:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There is a video too supposedly.  I wonder what he would have had to say if brought to trial?  Our kids will be writing epic thesises on this shit in college and here we are living it without a clear perspective. I blows my mind trying to understand it; but maybe it is what it is and our untrust of our leaders has led us exactly there.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398625 - 05/04/11 07:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"The White House is still mulling whether to release a picture of bin Laden killed. While releasing such a photo would confirm once and for all to naysayers that bin Laden is dead, "It's fair to say it's a gruesome photograph," Carney said."

an excerpt from this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/03/white-house-revises-bin-laden-final-moments_n_857073.html

i can just imagine some total photoshop newb spending countless hours trying to create the "perfect image" to release to the public.

"no, no, the head needs to be blown off a little more. and add a little more blood to the his left side."


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: cacharstar]
    #14398629 - 05/04/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did you read the part where they stormed his room, his wife tried to obstruct them and got shot in the leg, then they busted down the door and shot an unarmed man?


Thats UK news media reporting, not Al Jazeera.


The only element missing here is them planting cocaine so it looked like the raid was justified. :thumbdown::sad:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398639 - 05/04/11 07:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Did you read the part where they stormed his room, his wife tried to obstruct them and got shot in the leg, then they busted down the door and shot an unarmed man?


Thats UK news media reporting, not Al Jazeera.


The only element missing here is them planting cocaine so it looked like the raid was justified. :thumbdown::sad:




the proper scripts have yet to be disseminated to all the media outlets. they'll get the kinks in the story worked out eventually. they should've hired a true storyteller to write this one up. i guess Spielberg was busy.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14398641 - 05/04/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:

but hey... it's all arbitrary anyway give that had saddam complied with
the surrender agreement none of this would have dropped on iraq beaning
all these deaths are saddam's fault including the deaths of coalition forces




That's great logic.  All these deaths had and have nothing to do the CIA and NSA providing falsified intelligence to our ignorant assbackwards president who in turned essentially lied to the American people who asked congress to act, which doesn't mater because the invasion was still a violation of UN security mandates.





it's simple, if you rob a bank and the cops come in and shoot at but miss
you and kill an innocent bystander, you're responsible for the death of
the innocent, had you not robbed that bank the cops wouldnt have been
there, the death never would have happened. in this instance, had saddam
never invaded kuwait a multinational force from the UN would never have
gone into iraq, saddam would never have signed that surrender agreement,
sanctions would nver have been placed on him, the UN weapons inspectors
never would have been denied access and the 2003 invasion would never have
taken place... it's that butterfly effect

now, if the NY Times runs a story that was given to them that came from a
normally credible source and that story proves to be false, did the NY
Times lie?

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398647 - 05/04/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Did you read the part where they stormed his room, his wife tried to obstruct them and got shot in the leg, then they busted down the door and shot an unarmed man?





there's been a kill order on Osama for nearly 2 decades, there's been plenty
of opportunity in that time to kill Osama and every time the order was held
with the situations presented it's self, we cant have the children of our
allies to be known to be in bed with a known terrorist. the Mrs. is lucky
she's still alive

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398651 - 05/04/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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it's simple, if you rob a bank and the cops come in and shoot at but miss
you and kill an innocent bystander, you're responsible for the death of
the innocent, had you not robbed that bank the cops wouldnt have been
there, the death never would have happened.





OK just so that I get you straight, what you're saying is that responsibility for the 9/11 attacks by Al Quaida lies with the US for provoking him with their robbing blind of the world by the unjust US world trade policies?

No.

In my view the one who did it, did it.  The cop that shoots the bystander gets to deal with that for the rest of his life, not the bankrobber.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398653 - 05/04/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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the Mrs. is lucky
she's still alive




The target of her lower leg presented itself right? :awesome:


They shot her in the leg, busted down the door, flashbangs may have been used at that point, they entered and shot an unarmed man in the face under yet to be disclosed circumstances.

Sounds like a DEA raid gone wrong.

Lets hope they arent looking right now for an Osama lookalike to do a second take of the kill photo, from a better angle :tinfoil:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398663 - 05/04/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Quote:

it's simple, if you rob a bank and the cops come in and shoot at but miss
you and kill an innocent bystander, you're responsible for the death of
the innocent, had you not robbed that bank the cops wouldnt have been
there, the death never would have happened.





OK just so that I get you straight, what you're saying is that responsibility for the 9/11 attacks by Al Quaida lies with the US for provoking him with their robbing blind of the world by the unjust US world trade policies?

No.




if you sign a trade agreement with me does that mean you agree or disagree
with the terms and conditions, I mean you wouldnt have to sign if you
didnt agree to the terms, you could just carry your business elsewhere.
so, who's robbing who? no one, it's a contractual agreement that you never had to agree to.

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In my view the one who did it, did it.  The cop that shoots the bystander gets to deal with that for the rest of his life, not the bankrobber.




the cop will bear the guilt but the robber gets charged with the death

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398668 - 05/04/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ugh, who the fuck got pris started?

Her kitty kitty, hims wants some tuna? Yeah, good kitty.

Guys, fucking stop getting him wound up :crankey:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398672 - 05/04/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:

it's simple, if you rob a bank and the cops come in and shoot at but miss
you and kill an innocent bystander, you're responsible for the death of
the innocent, had you not robbed that bank the cops wouldnt have been
there, the death never would have happened. in this instance, had saddam
never invaded kuwait a multinational force from the UN would never have
gone into iraq, saddam would never have signed that surrender agreement,
sanctions would nver have been placed on him, the UN weapons inspectors
never would have been denied access and the 2003 invasion would never have
taken place... it's that butterfly effect

now, if the NY Times runs a story that was given to them that came from a
normally credible source and that story proves to be false, did the NY
Times lie?




My point is we were much better off  when we were isolationists.  We never had to intervene or don't you see that?  This is all about 500+ trillion cubic meters of natural gas under the Caspian Sea basin. 

AMERICA IS NOT THE WORLD POLICE FORCE, oh wait, yeah we are.

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14398673 - 05/04/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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the Mrs. is lucky
she's still alive




The target of her lower leg presented itself right? :awesome:


They shot her in the leg, busted down the door, flashbangs may have been used at that point, they entered and shot an unarmed man in the face under yet to be disclosed circumstances.




yup... I'm not seeing an issue, a kill order is a kill order, even if it's
a capture/kill order I see this as a huge service to the american tax
payer, now we dont have to spend billions on his trial for the decades of
shit he's done against US targets

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Lets hope they arent looking right now for an Osama lookalike to do a second take of the kill photo, from a better angle :tinfoil:




let's all hope that Osama releases a video tape in the near future showing that  Obama is a real Kanye West

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398685 - 05/04/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)




Please watch this closely, research it a bit before passing the verdict of tinfoil hattery.

The World Trade Center REALLY wasnt a symbolic or randomly chosen target by Al Quaida. It was a strategic target just as much as hitting the Pentagon.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14398692 - 05/04/11 07:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Anyone notice the Libya thing has almost entirely stopped being covered?

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14398704 - 05/04/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

There were no Weapons of mass destruction so what was our reasoning for invading again? And if it was a Un matter then why


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On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal





so we went with the preemptive strike:lol:


I guess when we are preemptively struck in the future we will have to just be like:shrug:

yea we have hella wmd's and nukes and we control the flow of the world currency so fuck you:crankey:


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