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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14372245 - 04/29/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Also, I never use additives. I find them just to be a pain in the ass. They really don't add much in terms of yields and generally cause contams. Normal Coco-Coir is plenty nutritious for mushrooms.I have no clue who spreads rumors that coco-coir on it's own gives sub par results...I can tell you they're wrong though. 




I was led to believe that the only thing coco coir really lacks is decent amounts of nitrogen, hence mixing in a little coffee grounds or manure...but besides that it is really nutritious.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: zydisqwap]
    #14372294 - 04/29/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Also, I never use additives. I find them just to be a pain in the ass. They really don't add much in terms of yields and generally cause contams. Normal Coco-Coir is plenty nutritious for mushrooms.I have no clue who spreads rumors that coco-coir on it's own gives sub par results...I can tell you they're wrong though. 




I was led to believe that the only thing coco coir really lacks is decent amounts of nitrogen, hence mixing in a little coffee grounds or manure...but besides that it is really nutritious.



There's plenty of nitrogen to grow mushrooms in coco-coir without coffee grounds. I've never had an issue with un-potent or low yields with straight coco-coir. Coffee grounds from what I've seen (even when properly pasteurized) are one of the single largest contributors with mold contaminations. If you use coffee grounds make sure they're fresh or were frozen. You don't want to use something thats been siting out for more then a few hours. Coffee on its own will mold up in a matter of hours. Just look at coffee grounds in left in a coffee machine overnight.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14372321 - 04/29/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree I would definately shit-can the coffee grounds I do however use them in my rye grain soak


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14372505 - 04/29/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the feedback guys,I feel confident now in what I need to do, and what I can do.

I will not be using any additives, although I do have worm castings on hand. I still wont try that this time. I have used coffee in soaking my grains and i have never had quicker colonization.

I am not doing G2G with these two jars because I have a very large pint jar which is a bit behind colonizing that im going to use to make a lot of spawn through G2G.

This here is my mini experiment to get used to using coir, so if anything goes wrong I can learn from it and nail my large experiment.

Peace :smile:


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14372598 - 04/29/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Good luck wre all with you on it and hopeful
oh,don't be afraid to add gypsum as a additive it can't hurt


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14394731 - 05/03/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys

So I have my coir in the bucket, waited 1 hr, mixed it up a while bunch and going to wait for it to cool

My quesiton is,

Do I have to drain the excess water out of the bucket before I use the coir?  I did not use a specific amount of water I just boiled a good sized pot worth of water and dumped it in.

How would I drain the water?


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14395749 - 05/03/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey dude...      You should follow a good coir tek like Damion's...  gives you perfect moisture content...

but since you already did it...  the best way is to just squeeze it out til it's field capacity...  won't take long...  you should wear gloves or at least wash your hands...

good luck!!  you spawning that PE??  :rockon:


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: Matty_Rulez]
    #14396233 - 05/03/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well its done, :smile: I ended up squeezing the water out with my clean (I hope) hands lol.

I was following Damions tek, but for some reason I thought I remembered the water content not being specific. After a bunch of research a lot of others have got away with what I did so hopefully Im fine.

This was just a test run, worst case scenario I have a lot more grains ready to play with!


Could someone please describe what field capacity should feel like?  By the time i had squeezed the coir it felt like mildy moist soil.  Not saturated.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14396286 - 05/03/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you squeeze really hard, a small stream should flow for only a second or two and then stop,If you squeeze "softly" there will be just couple of drops!


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: Perun]
    #14396441 - 05/03/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds about where I was at, but then I squeezed a bit more before filling the container.

So based on this im on the dry side... Also I didny layer it very thick as I had little spawn.

Its sitting in my version of Doc's mini mono.  Should be interesting ill post results in 10 days.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14398048 - 05/04/11 01:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think its better to be on a dry side just a litlle bit! Faster colonization and less chanse for contam! I just started fruiting something i call BBBB(Big Bad Bulk Block) :laugh: Coir/verm. Ill post some pics here later so you can see!


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: Perun]
    #14398155 - 05/04/11 02:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Pics! BBBB in its splendid beauty! :laugh:

10x10x4





So i had some left overs of spawn and bulk and i mix it in a big tray,cover it,let it colonize and i decided to fruit it like a cake(block) in a SGFC just so i get more pining surface!

And ofcourse...my helpers! :laugh:

Shiitake


Shatzi


They just love this stuff!



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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: Perun]
    #14445791 - 05/13/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Update,

My tub is fully colonized with the PE.  I have been reading a lot about consolidation vs introducing fruiting at a 100% colonization. 

I will let the tub sit for 3-4 more days at this point then introduce fruiting. Feel free to chime in.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14445799 - 05/13/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its common practice to actually let your substrate remain in colonizing conditions until it starts pushing up some knots. but this is done by the more experienced cultivators who can see knots from a mile away.

and they know fruiting space is harder to come by than colonizing space.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: k00laid]
    #14445849 - 05/13/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

When I peaked I saw some weird knots/blobs? but I still had a tiny tiny spec or two of coco showing.

This was like 2 days ago.  I havent looked but im assuimg those tiny bits of uncolonized coco are not colonized.

I see what you mean tho, its not something you can just put a numnber on. 10-15 days ect


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14445892 - 05/13/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this is what knots and pins look like very early.


i put that into fruiting conditions too early. but it still works.


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: k00laid]
    #14445977 - 05/13/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wow so i should actually wait for pins? How will it pin without evaporation,  FAE?


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14446066 - 05/13/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I took the polyfill out of the holes and put in a room with a fan, and it's really started to knot...  I replace the poly very loosely at night time...  this seems to really help evaporation....  I believe evap and FAE are the most important pinning triggers, IMHO...

exciting...  isn't it??    :laugh:


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Re: Mentorship Needed :) [Re: Matty_Rulez]
    #14446251 - 05/13/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh its exciting all right, very curious to see how my adaptation on the monotube will work out lol.

Couldnt make a conventional one, but this oen looks like it will work just dandy.

now just gotta keep the evil green meanie away


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