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mongo lloyd
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14394769 - 05/03/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mongo lloyd said: So you're saying that no civilians have died in the Middle East? Of course they have. Did they have anything to do with the conflict? No. Did they do anything to deserve their homeland being destroyed? Nope. This isn't a one-sided conflict. People are dying in the Middle East too, a much greater amount than Americans dying in terrorist attacks.
what's the typical uniform of an al Qaeda operative versus the daily dress of the average afghani civilian?
Do al Qaeda soldiers dress up as little children and women? I know that they use women and children as bait and shields, but regardless, they still get killed by both sides.
doh!
I wonder why there's so many civilian casualties, especially when you see images like this



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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#14394776 - 05/03/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: So in other words, Saddam Hussein and the Taliban should be blamed when civilians are killed by American ordnance.
Makes perfect sense to me!
had they not provoked wars then they wouldnt be at war and the civilians wouldnt be dying via US munitions... simple logic
I understand the logic. I just think it's wrong - and that it doesn't absolve American military of responsibility for the civilians that have been killed.
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14394783 - 05/03/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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pouihi said: Sure, held in an invaded Iraq, where US have interfered with basically anything they shouldn't have. Besides the oil I don't see what was actually their problem with Iraq, you don't see Americans invading African countries that live under dictatorships to free them, or Latin America for that matter.
you're making the assumption that this was about oil, Iraq was avout violations of UN sanctions and a surrender agreement from a decade earlier
I didn't make an assumption, I said "Besides the oil, I can't see...". States the most obvious hypothesis. How many dictators in Africa, Asia and South America commit(ed) crimes against humanity and the US never interfered? They even had business with Saddam when he was already a tyrant, and it was all good then.
I also recall at the time that the Bush admin alleged they where looking for weapons of mass destruction or bringing democracy to the middle east  They're probably still looking for the WMD and were more successful bringing chaos, death and destruction than democracy.
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: zappaisgod]
#14394785 - 05/03/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mongo lloyd said: So you're saying that no civilians have died in the Middle East? Of course they have. Did they have anything to do with the conflict? No. Did they do anything to deserve their homeland being destroyed? Nope. This isn't a one-sided conflict. People are dying in the Middle East too, a much greater amount than Americans dying in terrorist attacks.
All Saddam had to do was abide by the terms he signed for surrender and there would have been no war.
Oh lord. Really? Like you really believe this??
So everyone that has been killed in the wars can be blamed on Saddam and terrorists?? And the US killings are thus justified??
Man. I know we do not see eye to eye on anything but holy god.
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: mongo lloyd]
#14394787 - 05/03/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mongo lloyd said: Also, Pris you haven't actually proven that there hasn't been an increase in birth defects, why don't you go out and find evidence that the birth defect rate has stayed the same for the last 50 years, instead of brushing off the research people are posting without rational evidence.
I didnt make the ludicrous claim so the burden of proof is not on me, Kada made two claims, one was that we are responsible for an increased infant mortality rate in afghanistan due to our presence in the country when were had an extremely low presence and I cited the stats that proved him wrong, now all I'm asking is that he prove the claim that DU rounds used in the 90's are responsible for an increase in birth defects in Iraq
can you back up his claim?
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: mongo lloyd] 3
#14394792 - 05/03/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anybody want to debunk the use of agent orange in vietnam?
it's probably harmless and the statistics are all flawed, we never do anything wrong
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: pouihi]
#14394799 - 05/03/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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pouihi said: I didn't make an assumption, I said "Besides the oil, I can't see...". States the most obvious hypothesis. How many dictators in Africa, Asia and South America commit(ed) crimes against humanity and the US never interfered?
how many have we gone to war with? how many signed surrender agreements and then refused to comply with that agreement?
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I also recall at the time that the Bush admin alleged they where looking for weapons of mass destruction or bringing democracy to the middle east  They're probably still looking for the WMD and were more successful bringing chaos, death and destruction than democracy.
maybe you should pay more attention, WMDs have been found in Iraq on numerous occasions, even wikileaks reported on it
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14394802 - 05/03/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I didnt make the ludicrous claim so the burden of proof is not on me, Kada made two claims, one was that we are responsible for an increased infant mortality rate in afghanistan due to our presence in the country when were had an extremely low presence and I cited the stats that proved him wrong, now all I'm asking is that he prove the claim that DU rounds used in the 90's are responsible for an increase in birth defects in Iraq
can you back up his claim?
ever heard of the Gulf War Syndrome?
if it was bad enough to make our troops sick after being in iraq for such a short time, imagine what it did to the people who lived there
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14394804 - 05/03/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mongo lloyd said: Also, Pris you haven't actually proven that there hasn't been an increase in birth defects, why don't you go out and find evidence that the birth defect rate has stayed the same for the last 50 years, instead of brushing off the research people are posting without rational evidence.
I didnt make the ludicrous claim so the burden of proof is not on me, Kada made two claims, one was that we are responsible for an increased infant mortality rate in afghanistan due to our presence in the country when were had an extremely low presence and I cited the stats that proved him wrong, now all I'm asking is that he prove the claim that DU rounds used in the 90's are responsible for an increase in birth defects in Iraq
can you back up his claim?
I've already posted something that backed the claim up, I'm not going to post it again.
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14394805 - 05/03/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kada said: Regardless of the statistics, innocent civilians have been hurt by and continue to be hurt by DU ammunition and bombs. Radiation is not a good thing to fill a country with and we knew that when we were doing it.
Are you saying that depleted uranium isn't hurting innocent people at all over there? It was a weapon of mass destruction and will be there forever.
bullets are meant to kill, prove to me that this shit kills after the initial firing, the way is with those statistics so we cant just dismiss the stats because they're an important part of your claim
Ah someone posted a video in this thread or the offical one showing a geiger meter near ammunition and or dust all over the place. It's a hotbed of radiation in fine power blowing everyhere. I gotta leave for work or I would find it.
I forgot to answer one of your questions. No I don't blame people who want to join the military for honorable reasons. I blame them when they cause more unnecessary violence when they do things that they know they shouldn't do even if ordered to. I blame the government and the asshats at the top making all of these horrible decisions that they never have to even be in the middle of and making honorable men do dishonorable things.
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: pouihi]
#14394807 - 05/03/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can't believe people are actually trying to defend Osama and his cause by posting shit that the United States did/or does The United States is wrong in trying to expand it's sphere of influence in the Middle East. And Osama was wrong in trying to destroy infidels because we set foot on Islamic "holy land." The world is a fucked up place...
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: dynomite]
#14394814 - 05/03/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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dynomite said: anybody want to debunk the use of agent orange in vietnam?
it's probably harmless and the statistics are all flawed, we never do anything wrong
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Kada]
#14394816 - 05/03/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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geiger counters go off like crazy around uranium ore, and i can literally tape a chunk of it to my stomach and nothing bad would happen.
theres a massive difference between harmful doses of radiation and detectable levels of radiation.
are you just ignoring the posts im making that are full of hard facts about how harmless depleted uranium is? because it sure seems that way.
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14394821 - 05/03/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: So in other words, Saddam Hussein and the Taliban should be blamed when civilians are killed by American ordnance.
Makes perfect sense to me!
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: dynomite]
#14394823 - 05/03/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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straw man used to be green then we used agent orange
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Kada]
#14394839 - 05/03/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kada said: Regardless of the statistics, innocent civilians have been hurt by and continue to be hurt by DU ammunition and bombs. Radiation is not a good thing to fill a country with and we knew that when we were doing it.
Are you saying that depleted uranium isn't hurting innocent people at all over there? It was a weapon of mass destruction and will be there forever.
bullets are meant to kill, prove to me that this shit kills after the initial firing, the way is with those statistics so we cant just dismiss the stats because they're an important part of your claim
Ah someone posted a video in this thread or the offical one showing a geiger meter near ammunition and or dust all over the place. It's a hotbed of radiation in fine power blowing everyhere. I gotta leave for work or I would find it.
which means nothing in the context of our discussion, how can one claim an increase in birth defects when they arent showing statistics that prove the increase, they're simply making the claim
BTW... everthing on the planet is radioactive, when I was 17 I worked in a lead mill and sometimes the shit that came in was too hot to use, we were all exposed to radiation from a material used to shield people from radiation
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14394846 - 05/03/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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SamuelLJackson said: geiger counters go off like crazy around uranium ore, and i can literally tape a chunk of it to my stomach and nothing bad would happen.
bullshit, the tape could cause minor skin irritation, pull hairs out or leave behind residues... it hurts when that shit pulls out hairs
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: mongo lloyd]
#14394847 - 05/03/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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mongo lloyd said: So you're saying that no civilians have died in the Middle East? Of course they have. Did they have anything to do with the conflict? No. Did they do anything to deserve their homeland being destroyed? Nope. This isn't a one-sided conflict. People are dying in the Middle East too, a much greater amount than Americans dying in terrorist attacks.
All Saddam had to do was abide by the terms he signed for surrender and there would have been no war. All the Taliban had to do was hand over a mass murderer for trial and they would still be fucking up homos and women and the insufficiently pious. Simple shit. Reasonable shit.
The Taliban offered George Bush bin Laden, but Bush said no. In 2001.
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Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5 George Bush: what an asshat.
They had their chance. Your own fucking link:
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President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.
Returning to the White House after a weekend at Camp David, the president said the bombing would not stop, unless the ruling Taliban "turn [bin Laden] over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostages they hold over." He added, "There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he's guilty". In Jalalabad, deputy prime minister Haji Abdul Kabir - the third most powerful figure in the ruling Taliban regime - told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US, but added: "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country".
The offer came a day after the Taliban's supreme leader rebuffed Bush's "second chance" for the Islamic militia to surrender Bin Laden to the US.
Mullah Mohammed Omar said there was no move to "hand anyone over".
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14394853 - 05/03/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pris you haven't commented at all on the testemonies of Afghan doctors who said that they've experienced a marked increase in birth defects. You've totally ignored them or brushed them off.
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14394855 - 05/03/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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not to mention the fact that the sun is constantly pumping radiation onto the earth.
better stay inside. in a brick building. underground. with no lights. and especially no bananas. theyre pretty radioactive too.
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