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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Kada]
    #14394704 - 05/03/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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one would think that on a website such as this people would have moved past blind patriotism





I must be blind to patriotism 'cause I didn't see any on here...:shrug:
I wish I would be blind to bullshit though...what a world that would be...

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Ask people in the middle east getting bombed by drones who the terrorists are.




Ask the terrorists who the terrorists are?  :braindamage:


Are you guys some sort of talibans? Are talibans hip now because they're so obscure?


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14394708 - 05/03/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Doctors in Kabul and Kandahar showed data indicating that the incidence of a number of health conditions, including birth defects, has doubled in under two years.



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A Canadian research group found very high levels of uranium in Afghans during tests just after the invasion.



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The Canada-based Uranium Medical Research Centre (UMRC) believes the cause might be depleted uranium.

In 2002 and 2003 the group ran programmes analysing urine from Afghans.

In some, it found levels of uranium hundreds of times greater than in Gulf War veterans.



Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7373946.stm 2008

I can't find anything from a fair time ago, but the quick Google search I've done suggested to a definite increase.

Also, Pris you haven't actually proven that there hasn't been an increase in birth defects, why don't you go out and find evidence that the birth defect rate has stayed the same for the last 50 years, instead of brushing off the research people are posting without rational evidence.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14394711 - 05/03/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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dynomite said:
Number of children born with deformities increasing


There are no exact statistics






so how do we know there's an increase in birth defects, the claim of the
increased infant mortality rate has been debunked with actual statistics
why are there no stats on the birth defects even from 2001 to when ever?

could it be because there's no increase and this is just more emotional pandering?

maybe the defects are actually decreasing along with the infant mortality rate



Regardless of the statistics, innocent civilians have been hurt by and continue to be hurt by DU ammunition and bombs. Radiation is not a good thing to fill a country with and we knew that when we were doing it.

Are you saying that depleted uranium isn't hurting innocent people at all over there? It was a weapon of mass destruction and will be there forever.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Asante]
    #14394712 - 05/03/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If your definition of evil is killing innocent civilians, the body count should clear that one up.

How many kids got killed/dismembered on 9/11, and how many in the subsequent years in Iraq and Afghanistan?




I dunno, W_S  How many of them would have been killed if Saddam had just surrendered?  How many of them would have been killed if Saddam didn't surrender but we didn't do anything anyway?  The Taliban could still have been in power, cutting off homo and adulterer heads with merry aplomb if they had handed Osama over.  How many kids were killed by the US and how many were killed by the scum that target schools as a routine of their idea of war?


You left out an important word.  It is "deliberate".  The "deliberate" killing of innocent civilians.  Perhaps in your world sober people who get in car accidents and kill other people are war criminals and terrorists.  Not in mine.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Anthony917]
    #14394713 - 05/03/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mongo lloyd said:
So you're saying that no civilians have died in the Middle East? Of course they have. Did they have anything to do with the conflict? No. Did they do anything to deserve their homeland being destroyed? Nope. This isn't a one-sided conflict. People are dying in the Middle East too, a much greater amount than Americans dying in terrorist attacks.



Well the civilians might not have done anything, but the mass murderer hiding among them did.



By your logic, George W. Bush should be killed and thrown off a boat too. You cannot refute that.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Kada]
    #14394717 - 05/03/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kada said:
Are you saying that depleted uranium isn't hurting innocent people at all over there? It was a weapon of mass destruction and will be there forever.




thats exactly what im saying. depleted uranium is not as radioactive as you are making it out to be.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14394718 - 05/03/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mongo lloyd said:
So you're saying that no civilians have died in the Middle East? Of course they have. Did they have anything to do with the conflict? No. Did they do anything to deserve their homeland being destroyed? Nope. This isn't a one-sided conflict. People are dying in the Middle East too, a much greater amount than Americans dying in terrorist attacks.





what's the typical uniform of an al Qaeda operative versus the daily dress of the average afghani civilian?

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14394726 - 05/03/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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dynomite said:
Number of children born with deformities increasing


There are no exact statistics






so how do we know there's an increase in birth defects, the claim of the
increased infant mortality rate has been debunked with actual statistics
why are there no stats on the birth defects even from 2001 to when ever?

could it be because there's no increase and this is just more emotional pandering?

maybe the defects are actually decreasing along with the infant mortality rate





"Dr. Trina Yadgari, an obstetrician at Istiqlal Hospital in Kabul, said that in 2008, 16 out of 3,700 children born at the hospital had some sort of birth defect, while in 2009 there were 4,000 births and 34 birth defects."

i think i trust an OBGYN on the ground over any "debunkers" with an agenda


"why are there no stats on the birth defects even from 2001 to when ever?"
maybe, i dunno, the whole war thing going on had something to do with the lackadaisical  record keeping


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Kada]
    #14394728 - 05/03/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kada said:
Regardless of the statistics, innocent civilians have been hurt by and continue to be hurt by DU ammunition and bombs. Radiation is not a good thing to fill a country with and we knew that when we were doing it.

Are you saying that depleted uranium isn't hurting innocent people at all over there? It was a weapon of mass destruction and will be there forever.




bullets are meant to kill, prove to me that this shit kills after the initial
firing, the way is with those statistics so we cant just dismiss the stats
because they're an important part of your claim

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14394733 - 05/03/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mongo lloyd said:
So you're saying that no civilians have died in the Middle East? Of course they have. Did they have anything to do with the conflict? No. Did they do anything to deserve their homeland being destroyed? Nope. This isn't a one-sided conflict. People are dying in the Middle East too, a much greater amount than Americans dying in terrorist attacks.



what's the typical uniform of an al Qaeda operative versus the daily dress of the average afghani civilian?



Do al Qaeda soldiers dress up as little children and women? I know that they use women and children as bait and shields, but regardless, they still get killed by both sides.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: dynomite]
    #14394734 - 05/03/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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dynomite said:
i think i trust an OBGYN on the ground over any "debunkers" with an agenda





a doctor that guesses at the figures and makes no records prior to the year
right before she made a claim... you can trust that... there's a reason I
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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14394736 - 05/03/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mongo lloyd said:
So you're saying that no civilians have died in the Middle East? Of course they have. Did they have anything to do with the conflict? No. Did they do anything to deserve their homeland being destroyed? Nope. This isn't a one-sided conflict. People are dying in the Middle East too, a much greater amount than Americans dying in terrorist attacks.




All Saddam had to do was abide by the terms he signed for surrender and there would have been no war.  All the Taliban had to do was hand over a mass murderer for trial and they would still be fucking up homos and women and the insufficiently pious.  Simple shit.  Reasonable shit.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14394737 - 05/03/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mongo lloyd said:
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Anthony917 said:
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mongo lloyd said:
So you're saying that no civilians have died in the Middle East? Of course they have. Did they have anything to do with the conflict? No. Did they do anything to deserve their homeland being destroyed? Nope. This isn't a one-sided conflict. People are dying in the Middle East too, a much greater amount than Americans dying in terrorist attacks.



Well the civilians might not have done anything, but the mass murderer hiding among them did.



By your logic, George W. Bush should be killed and thrown off a boat too. You cannot refute that.




no because bush didn't kill thousands of innocent people and brag about it :shrug:
I mean, I see all the deaths that were caused as a result of bush as justified.

innocent slaughter =/= military response


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14394746 - 05/03/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So in other words, Saddam Hussein and the Taliban should be blamed when civilians are killed by American ordnance.

Makes perfect sense to me!


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14394749 - 05/03/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

as to the depleted uranium radioactivity, heres some additional fun facts from wikipedia.

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Radiological hazards

External exposure to radiation from pure depleted uranium is less of a concern because the alpha particle emitted by its isotopes travel only a few centimeters in air or can be stopped by a sheet of paper. Also, the low concentration of uranium-235 that remains in depleted uranium emits only a small amount of low-energy gamma radiation.




yup. you read that right. a piece of paper stops the radiation from depleted uranium.

thats some intense shit, and it is probably causing all kinds of birth defects. :rolleyes:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14394751 - 05/03/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mongo lloyd said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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mongo lloyd said:
So you're saying that no civilians have died in the Middle East? Of course they have. Did they have anything to do with the conflict? No. Did they do anything to deserve their homeland being destroyed? Nope. This isn't a one-sided conflict. People are dying in the Middle East too, a much greater amount than Americans dying in terrorist attacks.



what's the typical uniform of an al Qaeda operative versus the daily dress of the average afghani civilian?



Do al Qaeda soldiers dress up as little children and women? I know that they use women and children as bait and shields, but regardless, they still get killed by both sides.





doh!

I wonder why there's so many civilian casualties, especially when you see images like this



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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14394759 - 05/03/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
So in other words, Saddam Hussein and the Taliban should be blamed when civilians are killed by American ordnance.

Makes perfect sense to me!





had they not provoked wars then they wouldnt be at war and the civilians wouldnt be dying via US munitions... simple logic

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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14394760 - 05/03/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mongo lloyd said:
So you're saying that no civilians have died in the Middle East? Of course they have. Did they have anything to do with the conflict? No. Did they do anything to deserve their homeland being destroyed? Nope. This isn't a one-sided conflict. People are dying in the Middle East too, a much greater amount than Americans dying in terrorist attacks.



All Saddam had to do was abide by the terms he signed for surrender and there would have been no war.  All the Taliban had to do was hand over a mass murderer for trial and they would still be fucking up homos and women and the insufficiently pious.  Simple shit.  Reasonable shit.



The Taliban offered George Bush bin Laden, but Bush said no. In 2001.

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President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.



Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5
George Bush: what an asshat.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14394765 - 05/03/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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dynomite said:
i think i trust an OBGYN on the ground over any "debunkers" with an agenda





a doctor that guesses at the figures and makes no records prior to the year
right before she made a claim... you can trust that... there's a reason I
call them doctards



prove she was guessing
prove she didn't have more records

a doubling in the rate of birth defects in a year is enough  to show something is up

i give you stats and they're not good enough, go figure


where are your statistics showing a decrease?


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14394767 - 05/03/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

and at that point those little kids aren't civilians...they're enemies :facepalm:

that's sad


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