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2 cakes in 2 liter bottle
    #14394397 - 05/03/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Heya guys, so i stacked 2 pf cakes (1 half colonized) on the other inside a 2 liter. My question is i've had so many mixed answers do i put holes in it or not?

I've got it in my gh and i open it to mist/fan 3 or 4 times a day.. i just wanna know will this work the way i have it set up??

Pic very related.



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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: abusername]
    #14394410 - 05/03/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

why the bottle? its like a fruiting chamber in the fruiting chamber.

how do you maintain the fruiting environment in your greenhouse?


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14394417 - 05/03/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well i just have nowhere else to put it so i put it in the gh with some perlite under it... i don't have a good humidifier at the moment so i figured i wouldn't be able to properly fruit the cakes in the green house.

But also like i said one is only half colonized, i have all my other cakes in casing so i wanna just fruit these 2 thought it would be a waste to make up a whole sgfc.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: abusername]
    #14394435 - 05/03/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i just wanna know will this work the way i have it set up??



no.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: abusername]
    #14394438 - 05/03/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

OP, your right to do it like that. I've fruited cakes in a small GH and had to do a lot of misting to keep the RH right for the cakes. Trays are another thing of course, but I like how you did that! Keep the pics coming!


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14394455 - 05/03/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

oh you cant be serious man!?

half colonized cakes, bottle without holes, everything.

sorry op, but imo thats just big bogus.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14394458 - 05/03/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks slapphappy :-), i saw a couple posts on here with people doing similar things but i didn't know what exactly i had to do to maintain it.

So i suppose taking the 2 liter off and then misting/fanning should be enough to create ideal conditions?

Higgledy why wouldnt this work exactly? I was thinking that c02 would build up a lot in there but from what i've heard this method usually works.

Just trying to get a feel of what will give me the best fruits i got plenty of time and money just wanted to make a low scale operation for these 2 cakes.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14394462 - 05/03/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

actually only the one cake on the top is half colonized, the bottom one is fully colonized and pinned in the jar.. sorry for the double post -_-


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: abusername]
    #14394469 - 05/03/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i got plenty of time and money



if thats the case, why do you set everything up so half-assed?


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14394475 - 05/03/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14394490 - 05/03/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:-( any suggestions?


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: abusername]
    #14394501 - 05/03/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That half-colonized cake is just begging for contams. A two-liter bottle is also a pretty small fruiting chamber; CO2 is going to build up pretty quickly. It will work, it's just going to require more work on your part to keep FAE and RH up.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: p_walter]
    #14394615 - 05/03/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Put a few holes in the bottle. If your GH is dialed in, the bottle will hold the RH better for your cakes. If there is a contam worry, make larger holes (like a mono) and loosely stuff with polyfil. That way you get the RH and FAE (still misting and fanning as needed).

It can work, just take care of it. as for the partially uncolonized cake, you should have rinsed the uncolonized part off, then birthed. I didn't know you birthed a partially colonized cake. I havn't done that myself, but i've heard it works


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~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14394910 - 05/03/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for the info guys, i put 5 holes on the bottom of the 2-liter and a couple on top. I'll let you know how it goes.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: abusername]
    #14394928 - 05/03/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sounds good! keep an eye on them and pay attention to whether or not they need misting and fanning


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~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14395203 - 05/03/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Put a few holes in the bottle. If your GH is dialed in, the bottle will hold the RH better for your cakes. If there is a contam worry, make larger holes (like a mono) and loosely stuff with polyfil. That way you get the RH and FAE (still misting and fanning as needed).




My first, and only truly "successful" cake was birthed into a bottle, with a small hole at the top, and another just above the pearlite.  Every time I walked past I blew in the top hole, and it fruited really well.

But polyfill isn't going to stop contams getting in, just assist.  I'd take the uncolonised cake out, cut the uncolonised part off, swab it with iodine tincture and birth into another bottle just in case.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: Fischer]
    #14395349 - 05/03/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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But polyfill isn't going to stop contams getting in, just assist.  I'd take the uncolonised cake out, cut the uncolonised part off, swab it with iodine tincture and birth into another bottle just in case.




I dont know about Iodine, but poly does keep contams out... ever use a mono? I use poly to alloy GE and FAE in almost everything and to prevent contams.


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I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14395506 - 05/03/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

your not gona have enough fae. i would crumble spawn those to a bulk sub and put it in their.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14395858 - 05/03/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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your not gona have enough fae. i would crumble spawn those to a bulk sub and put it in their.




OP said he's already got pinning on the bottom cake, so spawning to bulk is out of the question at this point.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14396027 - 05/03/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

and if he's manually fanning, he's fine... it's in a GH, and the bottle is for a micro climate... I'd do the same thing is I was him for a cake. The only think i'd do different, is cut the bottom of the bottle off, set the cake in the GH like you would a SGFC on top of foil and verm, then put the top 80% of the bottle over it like a cover.

That way you have the holes and RH from the GH working for you. should work a lot better than fruiting without the bottle as I went through 6 gallons of water just to get my cakes through the first flush when I tried just cakes in my GH


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I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14397131 - 05/03/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

@Slapphappy (since quoting is messing my browser up)

I'd wonder whether a colonised/properly-cased monotub actually needs filtered air - there shouldn't be enough uncolonised nutrients for contaminant moulds to get a foothold (speaking with complete lack of experience).

And if you made a PF-cake and chucked some polyfill in the top instead of tyvek/tape/filter+lid , I'd put money on them turning funky colours with reasonable regularity.  It might filter some particulate out, but fungal spores are too small (in my uneducated opinion) to be reliably stopped by any sort of loose fibre stuffing.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: Fischer]
    #14397202 - 05/03/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Feel free to check out all the times that people use poly to filter their jar lids. Works great for grains, LC, pretty much everything!

As for established Mono's, no, you don't need the poly, nor do you need anything in the holes as the myc is fairly contam resistant on it's own.. Thats why you can have cakes in a sgfc without contaminating. When you first setup your monotub, you need either poly, micropore tape, or any other type of tape to keep contams out during colonization.

The OP is talking about a partially colonized substrate... Yes, he should have washed it off and then fruited... but he apparently didn't, so the substrate will keep colonizing as long as you keep contams out.


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I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: Fischer]
    #14397578 - 05/03/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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@Slapphappy (since quoting is messing my browser up)

I'd wonder whether a colonised/properly-cased monotub actually needs filtered air - there shouldn't be enough uncolonised nutrients for contaminant moulds to get a foothold (speaking with complete lack of experience).

And if you made a PF-cake and chucked some polyfill in the top instead of tyvek/tape/filter+lid , I'd put money on them turning funky colours with reasonable regularity.  It might filter some particulate out, but fungal spores are too small (in my uneducated opinion) to be reliably stopped by any sort of loose fibre stuffing.




On the first part, yes you are correct. As RR says, "there is nothing sterile about a fruiting chamber". What fruiting mycelia need is not sterility, but fresh air exchange, and lots of it. As for the second, unfortunately not so. To quote RR again, on sterilizing agar:

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Here's how to do it. Get a whiskey or wine bottle with a screw on lid that will fit in your PC. Drill a hole in the lid and stuff it with polyfill or cut a synthetic filter disk to fit inside the lid. Prepare your agar and pc in the normal way. The filter will prevent contaminants from entering the agar as it cools.




Synthetic filter disks are superior to polyfill, but polyfill will still do the job.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14397657 - 05/03/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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and if he's manually fanning, he's fine... it's in a GH, and the bottle is for a micro climate... I'd do the same thing is I was him for a cake. The only think i'd do different, is cut the bottom of the bottle off, set the cake in the GH like you would a SGFC on top of foil and verm, then put the top 80% of the bottle over it like a cover.

That way you have the holes and RH from the GH working for you. should work a lot better than fruiting without the bottle as I went through 6 gallons of water just to get my cakes through the first flush when I tried just cakes in my GH





Slaphappy did you mean to do this

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i cut the top off and will cover it up with it?



and then i put the cakes on foil?


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: abusername] * 1
    #14397997 - 05/04/11 01:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I can consider myself corrected on the polyfill.  Thanks guys.


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: abusername]
    #14399584 - 05/04/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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and if he's manually fanning, he's fine... it's in a GH, and the bottle is for a micro climate... I'd do the same thing is I was him for a cake. The only think i'd do different, is cut the bottom of the bottle off, set the cake in the GH like you would a SGFC on top of foil and verm, then put the top 80% of the bottle over it like a cover.

That way you have the holes and RH from the GH working for you. should work a lot better than fruiting without the bottle as I went through 6 gallons of water just to get my cakes through the first flush when I tried just cakes in my GH





Slaphappy did you mean to do this

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i cut the top off and will cover it up with it?



and then i put the cakes on foil?





Put the foil dirrectly on the rack, cake on the foil, then flip the bottle upside down and place over the cakes. That way all you need to do to air it out is lift the bottle up and set aside for a few mins.

If your GH is dialed in, and your cool mist running, all you should need to do is leave the bottle off the cakes for a few minutes to mist and air out. After the cake has been fanned (aired) replace the bottle back over the top and you're golden brotha!


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FYI: I stole all my pix off google! F+ PORN! Here is a shit-ton of porn by yours truly!

I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~


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Re: 2 cakes in 2 liter bottle [Re: Fischer] * 1
    #14399589 - 05/04/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I guess I can consider myself corrected on the polyfill.  Thanks guys.




No biggie man, we are all still learning, no one here knows everything about mycology, not even RR. Being able to step back and allow yourself to learn something says a lot about you bro, 5 mushies for ya!


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I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~


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