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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14405730 - 05/05/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What would be negative about a trail for this guy?? Hes already glorified
all over the TV as it is. A trail is what is supposed to happen especially
because no one knows for sure he orchestrated 9/11 in the first place.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14405747 - 05/05/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

theres only one thing wrong with that, They wouldnt have had to broadcast his trial live over the airwaves, any zealous bullshit he would have said that had the potential to invigorate his followers could have been easily edited out. If that was really the reason behind there execution without a trial why did they not do the same for Saddam?


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14405748 - 05/05/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nobody knows for sure he did it except for Osama himself. He admitted it publicly. :picard:

Terrorist cells following Osama's doctrines would definitely be inspired to act upon hearing that Osama is in prison awaiting trial. They would be de-motivated altogether upon hearing that he has been tidily killed and dumped in the ocean.

One option takes a sparingly selective liberty with US protocols for handling criminals (which have already been taken for thousands of lesser offenders), the other option uses the rulebook to grant terrorists a greater opportunity for more killing and senseless destruction.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14405749 - 05/05/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
theres only one thing wrong with that, They wouldnt have had to broadcast his trial live over the airwaves, any zealous bullshit he would have said that had the potential to invigorate his followers could have been easily edited out. If that was really the reason behind there execution without a trial why did they not do the same for Saddam?




Already pointed this out - Saddam's power wasn't religious or ideological, it was institutional, and his institutions had been reduced to rubble by the time he was captured. Osama had a kind of power that couldn't be taken away without killing him.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14405870 - 05/05/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
theres only one thing wrong with that, They wouldnt have had to broadcast his trial live over the airwaves, any zealous bullshit he would have said that had the potential to invigorate his followers could have been easily edited out. If that was really the reason behind there execution without a trial why did they not do the same for Saddam?




Already pointed this out - Saddam's power wasn't religious or ideological, it was institutional, and his institutions had been reduced to rubble by the time he was captured. Osama had a kind of power that couldn't be taken away without killing him.





Wow what a load of crap. Who care if he was the leader of a country. He was no
different from any other terrorist out there.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14405882 - 05/05/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:uh: Do you follow the news? Have you studied middle-east history? Saddam Hussein was a brutish tyrant. He ruled through sheer force. After that was broken, he had nothing left. Nobody loved him except for the people on his payroll. There's a reason Saddam had to hide in a hole in the ground while Osama was living somewhat comfortably in Pakistan.

Osama's power was completely different; he had power over the hearts and minds of countless disgruntled, illiterate people all over the world, and you can't break that.

If you can't see what I'm saying then there's no hope and I give up. :shrug:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14405892 - 05/05/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He died a martyr in there eyes, his religious doctrines and ideological stances will be forever cemented in the minds of his followers now along with his image and what he stood for. Regardless of weather or not he was buried at sea or given a trial and then executed he is a hero of the highest stature to them and there will always be another extremist to stand up and lead his fellow extremists along the same path that of which Osama walked. Unlike with Saddam you cannot destroy a belief or ideal so easily as you can topple buildings and turn infrastructure into rubble. America has won nothing and dealt the lightest of blows to them with the murder of there leader. They have only struck a hornets nest, one harboring nuclear weapons.


Thought this would also be relevant :lol:



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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14405895 - 05/05/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:lolsy:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14405897 - 05/05/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
theres only one thing wrong with that, They wouldnt have had to broadcast his trial live over the airwaves, any zealous bullshit he would have said that had the potential to invigorate his followers could have been easily edited out. If that was really the reason behind there execution without a trial why did they not do the same for Saddam?




Already pointed this out - Saddam's power wasn't religious or ideological, it was institutional, and his institutions had been reduced to rubble by the time he was captured. Osama had a kind of power that couldn't be taken away without killing him.





Wow what a load of crap. Who care if he was the leader of a country. He was no
different from any other terrorist out there.



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Osama's power was completely different; he had power over the hearts and minds of countless disgruntled, illiterate people all over the world, and you can't break that.






:lol:  Thats terribly subjective and there is no way you know how many people
he influenced whatsoever.

So you are saying that if someone rules through brute force they do not deserve to
die the way Osama did??

:lolsy:


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14405909 - 05/05/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not making moral pronouncements here, I'm making strictly practical ones.

Morally, IMO, we should never have invaded Iraq in the first place, and any truly "Christian" nation would have turned the other cheek after 9/11 rather than going apeshit and invading countries left and right.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14405911 - 05/05/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yet another reason that Christianity sucks.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14405914 - 05/05/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Even with Saddam having ruled through brute force there was order and a somewhat stable economy. Ive read several books on the effects of the war upon the Iraqi people and they would graciously accept Saddam rather then continue to be subjected to what the war has put them through and is continuing to put them through.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DieCommie]
    #14405915 - 05/05/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yet another reason that Christianity sucks.




You mean in how it failed to inspire a more carefully-measured response to 9/11? I agree.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14405919 - 05/05/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Could you imagine the circus if Osama survived and was later "tried by amurika justice"; eventually leading to the same outcome. Not to mention the loons who would take his capture and survival as a cause to go free the great leader. No, I think they saved a lot of trouble with two bullets.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14405928 - 05/05/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
I'm not making moral pronouncements here, I'm making strictly practical ones.

Morally, IMO, we should never have invaded Iraq in the first place, and any truly "Christian" nation would have turned the other cheek after 9/11 rather than going apeshit and invading countries left and right.





I dont know how you say this and then say and then believe its "practical" that
Saddam had a trail and Osama did not.

But I agree with you except for the Christianity thing. I mean ur right. If they
actually believed in what they preached then things would be a lot different.

But religion is a faux way of life.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14405939 - 05/05/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It was definitely more practical to give Saddam a fair trial than Osama. Saddam was ideologically nothing more than a petty criminal, while Osama was the figurehead of a worldwide movement. Putting the figurehead quietly and ignominiously to rest strikes a massive propaganda blow against his cause. Saddam had no cause other than to accumulate wealth for himself.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14405945 - 05/05/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
It was definitely more practical to give Saddam a fair trial than Osama. Saddam was ideologically nothing more than a petty criminal, while Osama was the figurehead of a worldwide movement. Putting the figurehead quietly and ignominiously to rest strikes a massive propaganda blow against his cause. Saddam had no cause other than to accumulate wealth for himself.





A petty criminal that killed many many more people tan Osama.
He did some really fucked up shit over there.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14405959 - 05/05/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Again, I'm speaking in purely practical terms here, not moral ones.

If we were acting morally as a nation, we wouldn't even have to deal with wayward allies-turned-terrorists, but since we already are, we have to think practically. And putting Osama on trial would have been far less practical than putting Saddam on trial.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14405963 - 05/05/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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A petty criminal that killed many many more people than Osama.
He did some really fucked up shit over there.




The key two words.


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Re: Has the whole world gone mad?! Pub poll reality check. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14405965 - 05/05/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
It was definitely more practical to give Saddam a fair trial than Osama. Saddam was ideologically nothing more than a petty criminal, while Osama was the figurehead of a worldwide movement. Putting the figurehead quietly and ignominiously to rest strikes a massive propaganda blow against his cause. Saddam had no cause other than to accumulate wealth for himself.




Maybe if the UN wasnt dealing with a movement that consists of radical extremists that praise the death of there leaders at the hands of there enemy as the most noble death possible.


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