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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14388683 - 05/02/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

or the main reason could be people born into religious families are taught to believe in their parent's faith from a young age. starting in like first grade i had to go class one day a week to learn about christianity, that was way before i ever thought about what happens after we die. over the past year i've decided i'm not christian anymore, yet i don't fear death any more than before.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14388768 - 05/02/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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yet i don't fear death any more than before.



That'll change soon, when the realization that you're going to die (100%, no possible chance of escaping) relatively soon fully sinks in.

I had probably 2 or 3 years of happy atheism before the existential crisis hit.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14389142 - 05/02/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i'm not atheists, but more agnostic. and i've had that realization way before when i was christian, and it doesn't bother me that i'm going to die one day as i'd rather not live forever, but i do fear what happens next.

as crasher was saying, it's the fear of the unknown and believing in an afterlife is just as scary because you still don't know whats going to happen, and at least for me the thought of eternity is pretty scary too.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14392052 - 05/02/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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bigmike7104 said:
yet i don't fear death any more than before.



That'll change soon, when the realization that you're going to die (100%, no possible chance of escaping) relatively soon fully sinks in.




Nothing in this life is certain, except perhaps this very statement and that I exist at this moment.  We live in a age of great technological progress; who's to say that we can't figure out how to prevent telomere shortening and cure aging with genetic engineering?  I think it is very likely that I will die someday but I still have hope that I won't.  :tongue:


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: deCypher]
    #14392135 - 05/02/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Even if your body is made perfect (or near-perfect) with technology, this Universe is going to come to an end someday. And so what if you gain an extra few billion years? Everything is relative; if you start living for millions of years, each year will seem like the blink of an eye. There will be more experiences, yes -- but not necessarily better, and you still won't have escaped the inevitable.

That said, I think most fear of death stems from dualistic thinking: "I am separate from the Universe, which will continue without me." Life and death are two sides of the same coin. I don't remember ever having been born, and the "me" I used to be is dead...


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14392164 - 05/02/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I say we use wormholes to escape from this Universe into a new one every time the Big Crunch nears... but hey, don't the newest cosmological theories say that it's more likely that the Universe will continue indefinitely as its expansion is accelerating?


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: deCypher]
    #14392170 - 05/02/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can't say I'd want to live that long, personally.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: Luman]
    #14392177 - 05/02/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I want to live long enough so I get to choose when I die.  :waits:


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: deCypher]
    #14392190 - 05/02/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You can do that now, to an extent :grin:


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: deCypher]
    #14392198 - 05/02/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I want to live long enough so I get to choose when I die.  :waits:




That gotta be a hard choice. :lol:


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: deCypher]
    #14392202 - 05/02/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I say we use wormholes to escape from this Universe into a new one every time the Big Crunch nears... but hey, don't the newest cosmological theories say that it's more likely that the Universe will continue indefinitely as its expansion is accelerating?



Actually, from what I've heard, the more popular theory now is the "Big Bounce" model, in which the collapse of the Universe leads to the birth of another one, ad infinitum.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14392226 - 05/02/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I want to experience as much as I can before I die.  I imagine after I've seen and done everything I've wanted to that life would get pretty boring and death would become the only unexplored frontier.  :shrug:




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Actually, from what I've heard, the more popular theory now is the "Big Bounce" model, in which the collapse of the Universe leads to the birth of another one, ad infinitum.




Source?  AFAIK the accelerating expansion of the Universe was the reason for the invention of dark energy.

"Ten years after supernovae provided the first evidence that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, a survey of more than 10,000 galaxies has provided independent confirmation that the cosmic speed-up factor known as dark energy is for real."

http://www.slackerastronomy.org/wordpress/2008/01/the-acceleration-of-the-expansion-of-the-universe-confirmed/


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: deCypher]
    #14392259 - 05/02/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model

Actually, it says that dark energy supports a cyclical cosmology.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14392289 - 05/02/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"death would become the only unexplored frontier."

Think of existence as an onion, with all of its layers; the physical being the outermost, matter being "frozen light", or energy condensed to a very low frequency, with a perhaps endless spectrum of frequencies awaiting our observation.

Quite a frontier it is, then.  One I am very willing to participate in.  One that I would rather not suspend by engaging in an exhausting, limiting and lingering physical campaign which can only ever get you so far.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14392299 - 05/02/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm, the links I provided seem to confirm the continuing acceleration and expansion of the Universe in articles published in 2008 and later whereas the Baum–Frampton model as provided in your link was proposed in 2007; although I couldn't find any plain refutations of the model during a quick Google search it seems like all the most recent cosmological press releases support the accelerating expansion model.  Interesting stuff at any rate.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14393216 - 05/03/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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After doing a little bit of research on near death experiences, DMT, and noetic science,




I stopped right there.

Care to elaborate the connection between DMT and death? Yes, I have read about the statement that DMT is released BEFORE death (which is still a non-proven statement, by the way, there is no study that shows humans releasing DMT. There are studies however that state there is no DMT in pineal gland.).

Before and During death, big difference.

It is a proven fact, that brain cells live on about 15 minutes or more, when everything else has stopped working. It is the state where only thing you feel is unimaginable pain. 15 minutes. You can not feel your body or move willingly, collapsing nerves cause cramps and brain registers that final pain. My grandmother saw her relative doing grimasses 20 minutes straight after dieing, it was natural death.

Dieing process = pain.

Most painless way would be shot in the brain probably, after which you are truly dead. Or, has anyone come back from death with blown-up brain?

Long story short: There is no actual evidence of what death really is.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: deCypher]
    #14393229 - 05/03/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well, I want to experience as much as I can before I die.  I imagine after I've seen and done everything I've wanted to that life would get pretty boring and death would become the only unexplored frontier.  :shrug:






Death is experience too. You want to experience death before death?


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: Simms]
    #14394317 - 05/03/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No, I'm saying that after I've exhausted all interesting experience while living then the only unexplored possibility of experience rests after death.  However I do think it is likely that there is no experience after death, but I'm not certain on this point.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: deCypher]
    #14395010 - 05/03/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If there is experience, it vastly must differ from the experience while living. No sensory organs, no filtering and no pattering brain...
Hard to imagine without anthropomorphizing.


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Re: Is death a state of consciousness? [Re: deCypher]
    #14395678 - 05/03/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No, I'm saying that after I've exhausted all interesting experience while living then the only unexplored possibility of experience rests after death.  However I do think it is likely that there is no experience after death, but I'm not certain on this point.



Well, the land of no experience is an area that we need not fear treading.

As Epicurus said, "Death is nothing to us, since when we are, death has not come, and when death has come, we are not."


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