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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: g00ru]
    #14386015 - 05/01/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You probably won't jive with this but the way I've got it figured out, there is your being.  This being can connect with the mind.  When it does so, and "you" are actively in your head thinking, this is intellect.  When the mind is just flowing but you are really "doing" it, that's just mind.




Seems like an unnecessarily complicated ontology... why not scrap the vague and undefinable idea of "being" and, instead, simply differentiate between an engaged and unengaged mind?


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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: deCypher]
    #14386023 - 05/01/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

engaged with what? for me, being is an extremely definable idea in the sense that i see it everywhere. it's not semantically definable, obviously.


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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: g00ru]
    #14386132 - 05/01/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If it's semantically undefinable then how can you even use the word?  What do you mean by seeing "being" everywhere?


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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: deCypher]
    #14386168 - 05/01/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

everything is, therefor everything has being.  it's the foundation of everything, the first manifest object. and it's synonymous with your self (which is, obviously).  That's why it's sometimes known as spirit, because it's practically magic since it's just the foundation of everything.


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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: g00ru]
    #14386181 - 05/01/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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everything is, therefor everything has being.




So you're defining being as the property of existence?  OK, so the Universe and my self has being because they exist.  This seems like something wholly different from your use of "being" as a substance that you were saying can connect to our mind.  Rather, I would say that I have both a body and a mind and both of these have being in that both of them exist.


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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: deCypher]
    #14386767 - 05/02/11 03:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Jesus Christ, I come back to this thread and see all this hahahaha.

I define wisdom as the process of trying to end suffering. By that I don't mean suffering causes wisdom. I mean trying to END suffering creates wisdom. You can't just stab yourself in the stomach and call yourself wise.

Now wisdom is not only first-hard, but also second-hand. Now I don't have any personal experience with heavier opiates. However, I've learned from the mistakes of others and gained their wisdom. Don't fuck with heroin. I have never done heroin, but I have the wisdom to NOT do it, dig?

I think what helps me, is now I feel like I have a good barometer to determine what is good advice and what isn't. Also I am OPEN enough to more wisdom. For awhile, I wasn't. Some people try to help and give "wisdom" when they're spouting bullshit.

I am starting on my path though. I might actually try that meditation for 10 days thing. Not anytime soon. I am not ready for it. I will never truly be ready, but there will come a time when I will be ready enough to benefit.

It's late, but I should post more about my new path soon.

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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Shroomerited]
    #14387307 - 05/02/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I define wisdom as the process of trying to end suffering. By that I don't mean suffering causes wisdom. I mean trying to END suffering creates wisdom. You can't just stab yourself in the stomach and call yourself wise.






I would define something like that as "selfishness".

Not that there is anything wrong with that, but to take such a basic thing and call it "wisdom" seems sketchy at best.


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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Shroomerited]
    #14387391 - 05/02/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

wow that sure is a lot of help you got real fast!

are the answers what you were seeking?

if not, maybe your question can be adjusted.

adjusting the question-ing might be a full time job.


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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Cups]
    #14392031 - 05/02/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I define wisdom as the process of trying to end suffering. By that I don't mean suffering causes wisdom. I mean trying to END suffering creates wisdom. You can't just stab yourself in the stomach and call yourself wise.






I would define something like that as "selfishness".

Not that there is anything wrong with that, but to take such a basic thing and call it "wisdom" seems sketchy at best.




Man, the fuck you on?

How in the hell is seeking to end suffering "selfish"?
Ending suffering is the most SELFLESS thing you can do. As a seeker of truth and of wisdom, your primary goal SHOULD be to end suffering. Jesus some people...

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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #14392154 - 05/02/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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wow that sure is a lot of help you got real fast!

are the answers what you were seeking?

if not, maybe your question can be adjusted.

adjusting the question-ing might be a full time job.




Honestly, if an answer answers my question, I see it as knowledge. If an answer changes my question, I see it as wisdom.

Both knowledge and wisdom are good, however whenever possible I'd prefer wisdom.

And I just see things slightly different now. I realized certain things about me.

For instance, I'm a changer. I need constant change and adventure in my life. I can't stay doing one thing for too long. It's just something to keep in mind. So I need to lead a life where I don't get stuck in a rut. I need constant change and stimulation.

My current path is trying to figure out how to live a stable, normal life while still changing. Or if it's even possible, or if I even WANT a normal, stable life.

I'm pretty sure I want a wife and kids and a good job, BUT maybe that's just not me. Maybe I need more stimulation than that. But on the other end of the spectrum, too much change is disorientating and has many drawbacks.


I guess my next "quest" is on the nature of change. Change is inevitable, but the extent is variable.

I've given up really asking questions, I just have random musings and I'm open to wisdom.

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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Shroomerited]
    #14393077 - 05/03/11 06:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Shroomerited said:

I define wisdom as the process of trying to end suffering. By that I don't mean suffering causes wisdom. I mean trying to END suffering creates wisdom. You can't just stab yourself in the stomach and call yourself wise.






I would define something like that as "selfishness".

Not that there is anything wrong with that, but to take such a basic thing and call it "wisdom" seems sketchy at best.




Man, the fuck you on?

How in the hell is seeking to end suffering "selfish"?
Ending suffering is the most SELFLESS thing you can do. As a seeker of truth and of wisdom, your primary goal SHOULD be to end suffering. Jesus some people...




How exactly is it selfless? How exactly is anything selfless? Everything we do, we do because we get some kind of benefit from it.


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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Shroomerited]
    #14393103 - 05/03/11 06:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Man, the fuck you on?

How in the hell is seeking to end suffering "selfish"?
Ending suffering is the most SELFLESS thing you can do. As a seeker of truth and of wisdom, your primary goal SHOULD be to end suffering. Jesus some people...




Looks like I hit a nerve. :thumbup: As your Attorney I would advise following up on that and see why you're so uncomfortable with the idea.


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Re: Where to go from here? [Re: Cups]
    #14393333 - 05/03/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Intestinal worms?


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