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TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician * 1
    #14392077 - 05/02/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century by c0sm0nautt

I’m still playing with these ideas in my head, so for this introduction simply try and get the general feel of what I’m attempting to convey and don’t get too hung up on the details.

As we move further into the 21st century it seems the world is changing at an ever increasing rate. The internet, which allows this communication to be possible, has only been in the mainstream for a mere decade. Think about that. One decade out of all the centuries of human history. The computing power of computers is doubling ever two years – it is hard to imagine what our world will be like in 30, 20 and even 10 years from now. Theorists point to this idea of a technological singularity where we will invent a computer with computational power which exceeds the human brain. The idea is that we will use these computers to create even faster computers, which will create even faster computers, and so on. Needless to say, our symbiotic relationship with computers and the internet will continue grow as time flows on. The internet has and will continue to become an extension of self – an integral part of how we live our lives.

Now, look at the way our government functions. For the most part it doesn’t utilize the networking potential of the internet. Rich politicians still sit in a big room and yell at each other taking weeks, months or even years to pass important legislation. More importantly – Did you vote for that d-bag who is supposed to be representing you but he really represents some corporate interest*? If your under 30 your probably didn’t vote at all. Voting in the traditional manner is not only a pain in the ass but easily subject to fraud (Google Diebold Fraud). I tried to vote once but they lost all my information and I wasn’t allowed to vote. This 90 year old dude stared at me like I lied to fill out the voting form, counterfeit my voting card, and drive all the way out here for the hell of it.

*Btw, quick side note – recently the Supreme Court decided that corporations can act as individuals and make unlimited anonymous campaign contributions…. Can you say good fucking game? (See Supreme Court - Cititzens United case)

In short, we have all of these rich bastards (Ok, not all of them are bastards) who are for the most part completely disconnected from the average person, and now longer serve the interests of the average person. Even if they did serve the interests of the average person very little gets done on Capitol Hill anyway. Our government almost couldn’t pass legislation to fund itself for god’s sake. Political campaigns are usually decided by old people who choose their candidate from one of the three corporate “news” networks. It’s pretty obvious to the objective observer that Fox News is a propaganda arm for the Republican party, whereas MSNBC leans to the left with no balls and a fraction of the ratings. It’s pretty scary that a handful or corporations own virtually the entirety of television and print “news” media. I put “news” in quotes because it’s turned into soundbites and entertainment. They ran that shit about the kid being in the balloon for like 12 hours straight. 

Ok, I could rant for hours about this stuff but most of you get the point and already understand that the current system is archaic and simply fucked. It no longer works for the average person. Especially considering young people are the majority, but the ones left out of political discourse. When our generation transitions to the stage I think we will have an opportunity, out of necessity, to change the current system. This may be as soon as the next 5 to 10 years.

I’d propose a system that utilizes the internet to facilitate true democracy. Imagine the rise of the e-politician. Similar to how people have followers on twitter (I haven’t created one yet, but so I’ve heard), these e-politicians would have “followers” which constitute their voting bloc. A particularly affluent politician may have millions of followers allowing his votes on legislation to weigh more than an unpopular politician – unpopular because his views suck. See how that’s supposed to work? We shouldn’t have to choose the lesser of two evils. All of this e-politician/following stuff would be done on a form of political social network. Each individual would have a sort of voting identification number, similar to a social security number, which would allow him or her to “follow” an e-politician or vote on legislation for them self. Yes, imagine a true democracy where your vote really does matter. You would have the choice to stop following and follow a new e-politician at any time. There would be no campaigns or terms. The system would be fluid, transparent and constantly changing with the times. Talk about true accountability. No more “change and switch” Mr. Obama.

Of course if you don’t give a crap – fair enough – you would have the option to opt out of the political system completely. Perhaps the right to vote could even become a privilege earned through some form of basic knowledge test (Sorry Sarah Palin).

Ok, that the general gist of it. Is a vague picture coming to mind? Of course, there are a lot of details to work out. How would we prevent fraud? How and by whom would the general process be overseen? We would still need an executive branch to execute legislation, but it wouldn’t have nearly as much power as it does now. A President having the power to invade countries with absolutely no oversight would be a thing of the past. That type of stuff would go to a nationwide vote, easily assessable through the internet.

People are going to say “You want to give the average person power!? The average person is an idiot.” I don’t think the average person is an idiot. I think the current system of government-media is creating the idiot. We really have no influence in government at all and have no reason to care. Most people are apathetic. The internet system I’m proposing would encourage knowledge and participation. I’d imagine numerous and diverse political parties would blossom. I think our generation is a lot smarter than the one before us. Yes we are getting smarter – and it can be scientifically proven with the Flynn Effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect Essentially, each generations IQ goes up about 10 points. They have to keep changing the standard on IQ tests. Have you talking to any little kids lately? Their fucking smart as hell and they are going to put us to shame.

So while people out there would call all of this a pipe dream, I ask you to ponder this thought  for a moment. Could a person in 1990 imagine the world as it is in 2011?
Lastly, I’d suspect the current power structure to not go away willingly. If there is one thing that history tells us about power, it is that power does everything it can to hold onto power. 

I’d be interesting in hearing anyone’s feedback, critique, or w/e. Keep in mind I just wrote this up in a half hour and I’m sure I have a lot of holes to fill.

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14392980 - 05/03/11 05:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd love it of my vote actually counted. I'd be scared shitless if a bunch ofpeople's votes did though. We have a lot of retarded people.  Mob rule...

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: JT]
    #14393337 - 05/03/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd love it of my vote actually counted. I'd be scared shitless if a bunch ofpeople's votes did though. We have a lot of retarded people.  Mob rule...



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My mob vs your mob?  Not going to be good for you.  You get to vote but others don't?  Don't get me started on just who I think are retards.  At least I think idiots are citizens, too.  Say, did you know that half the population has sub average intelligence?  It's true.


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14393522 - 05/03/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A basic knowledge test of the political culture would weed out a lot of the people voting today, who don't seem to care much.

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14393555 - 05/03/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Your mob vs the online "paulbot" mob. Not gonna look good for you :lol:

We need the republic, too much democracy leads to minority groups getting crushed. Can you imagine people gut voting online after reading an opinion article on ABC? That's the kinda voting I would like to oppress, or at least slow down, so that people can be informed.

Actually what this whole idea made me think of was american idol. Text 666 to vote, 1,000,000th texter gets a tax rebate!

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14393901 - 05/03/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A basic knowledge test of the political culture would weed out a lot of the people voting today, who don't seem to care much.




I think they got rid of that a long time ago.  Who gets to pick the questions?


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: JT]
    #14393934 - 05/03/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Your mob vs the online "paulbot" mob. Not gonna look good for you :lol:




What do you think it's going to be, WOW tournament?  Ron Paul barely draws flies in real Presidential elections and mostly among sophomores.  If you don't think evil old men, wily in the ways of the world and with connections and experience will prevail over inexperienced jackasses who mostly love Ron Paul because he wants to reform marijuana laws, you really need to rethink any fantasies you might have about that battle.
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We need the republic, too much democracy leads to minority groups getting crushed. Can you imagine people gut voting online after reading an opinion article on ABC? That's the kinda voting I would like to oppress, or at least slow down, so that people can be informed.




On line voting inequitably disenfranchises the poor.  Much as I believe they are idiots I think it is best that they just disenfranchise themselves, as they have done for as long as I am aware of, which is their right.
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Actually what this whole idea made me think of was american idol. Text 666 to vote, 1,000,000th texter gets a tax rebate!




Can't say I've ever seen the show.


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14394778 - 05/03/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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*Btw, quick side note – recently the Supreme Court decided that corporations can act as individuals and make unlimited anonymous campaign contributions…. Can you say good fucking game? (See Supreme Court - Cititzens United case)





Yeah, free speech sure sucks with all that... speech.  What we need is more censorship :thumbup:

And what's this "corporations can act as individuals"?  That's irrelevant.  I hear people criticize the notion of entities that aren't natural persons being treated as legal entities, but they never seem to get around to explaining how its a bad thing.  Should the workers in that corporation loose all their money when the company goes bankrupt?  Should some dude who made a contract for his company be personally liable when the company defaults on their obligation?  The notion makes no sense and is completely counterproductive to the whole point of buisness forms other than propreiterships/partnerships.

Beyond that, the alternative is ridiculous as since corporations may not act but through people, its not like those same people couldn't take whatever actions the corporation would otherwise do if you endeavored to ban corporate personhood..  Other than screwing the employees, investors, and needlessly complicating things, I don't get the difference.




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In short, we have all of these rich bastards (Ok, not all of them are bastards) who are for the most part completely disconnected from the average person, and now longer serve the interests of the average person. Even if they did serve the interests of the average person very little gets done on Capitol Hill anyway. Our government almost couldn’t pass legislation to fund itself for god’s sake




So what is "getting things done" such that the recent budget impasse wasn't such?  It wasn't like it was a staring contest: bills were proposed and rejected for very particular reasons.  This is exactly what a legislative body is supposed to do. 

I don't get this notion of "getting things done".  You allready have a US Code alone that probably is eight feet tall- forget all the other crap Congress churns out that isn't codified and all the executive agencies with legislative fiat.  What exactly do we need to "get done"?  In my mind, the most important function of the legislature is to stop crap from getting done: there's an infinite number of ideas, and I would imagine the set of good ideas for our particular situation that are feasible are a distinct and finite minority of these.




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. Political campaigns are usually decided by old people who choose their candidate from one of the three corporate “news” networks. It’s pretty obvious to the objective observer that Fox News is a propaganda arm for the Republican party, whereas MSNBC leans to the left with no balls and a fraction of the ratings. It’s pretty scary that a handful or corporations own virtually the entirety of television and print “news” media. I put “news” in quotes because it’s turned into soundbites and entertainment. They ran that shit about the kid being in the balloon for like 12 hours straight.





How is any of this a problem?  Besides the old people stuff- that just seems pretty classist.  Given your antecdote about being unable to vote I would imagine the youth to be much more of a problem.  At least the old folks can figure out how to cast a ballot.
 


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I’d propose a system that utilizes the internet to facilitate true democracy.




Why is that desirable?  Seems to have rather serious problems of the type you'd expect. 




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We shouldn’t have to choose the lesser of two evils.




Okay... and do you?  For what office?  Pretty much every office that's contested in my area has at least three candidates.  Only the offices with the highest barrier to entry or small constituency ever go with less than three: typically judicial offices or district-based local offices such as school board et cet.

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Yes, imagine a true democracy where your vote really does matter.




As opposed to what?  Your vote doesn't matter now?  What's the deciding factor between now and under your proposed system that renders the vote mattering under your system?

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No more “change and switch” Mr. Obama.




Its not like it was difficult to see.  He didn't switch after the election: he kept doing the same crap he had his whole career.  Anyone who was surprised that he ended up like Bush with socialist leaning simply wasn't paying attention.  The few positions he took differentiating himself from the Bush administration almost all were comprimised before the election, many before the primary was decided. Anyone who despite this thought he'd do something different than he had been doing all along simply wasn't paying attention or was basing their decision on something other than the evidence- like catchy buzzwords devoid of meaning.


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A President having the power to invade countries with absolutely no oversight would be a thing of the past. That type of stuff would go to a nationwide vote, easily assessable through the internet.





Uh, they never had that power, and especially don't after Vietnam when they're very limited in what they can do without a decleration of war or other congressional authorization.

When exactly has the President ever invaded countries with "absolutely no oversight"?  Those things are always a huge ongoing political issue with ongoing congressional hearings on all manner of things and often majore election issues for both legislative and executive offices.

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I think the current system of government-media is creating the idiot. We really have no influence in government at all and have no reason to care. Most people are apathetic. The internet system I’m proposing would encourage knowledge and participation.




How do you justify your claim that people have no power in the current system but somehow would under yours?

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14394872 - 05/03/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There is no government media and rich people were not put on this earth to serve you.


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14395059 - 05/03/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There is no government media and rich people were not put on this earth to serve you.




Nor was I put on the Earth to serve them. :cool:

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14395071 - 05/03/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

But yea, I remembered why I don't post in this forum anymore. Political arguments are like two people humping a doorknob. ::tongue2:

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    #14395094 - 05/03/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There is no government media and rich people were not put on this earth to serve you.




Nor was I put on the Earth to serve them. :cool:



That is correct.


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14395099 - 05/03/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> Nor was I put on the Earth to serve them. :cool:

Shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't want what they have.


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: Seuss]
    #14395193 - 05/03/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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> Nor was I put on the Earth to serve them. :cool:

Shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't want what they have.




Unfortunately anyone who wants basic needs is in a way a slave to the monetary system.

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    #14395240 - 05/03/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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> Nor was I put on the Earth to serve them. :cool:

Shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't want what they have.





Which seems to be the crux of the entire proposition: much of it is spent criticizing "rich bastards" and the people who force you to vote for "the lesser of two evils" (which as I observe doesn't actually happen, but since the proponent says he's never voted, I suppose he wouldn't be aware) and the damn corporations that want to have benefit of teh first amendment and to be a legal entity- the whole point of incorporating in the first place.

At its core, this whole idea suffers from an inexplicable conflict between the proponents claims to favor "real democracy" and more direct political empowerment while claiming that the old people, corporations, stupid people, shouldn't be voting or have political power.  It seems this is a pretty serious conflict: if your entire motivation is to increase the democratic nature of the government, how does this coexist with an open opposition to various swaths of society having a say at all (and proposed mechanisms like tests to formally deny them the franchise).

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
    #14395345 - 05/03/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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> Nor was I put on the Earth to serve them. :cool:

Shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't want what they have.




Unfortunately anyone who wants basic needs is in a way a slave to the monetary system.



No they aren't.  They can fuck off to the deep woods and get their basic needs themselves.  They will also die young.  Oh well.


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
    #14395685 - 05/03/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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But yea, I remembered why I don't post in this forum anymore. Political arguments are like two people humping a doorknob. ::tongue2:




So you have no intention of answering john's questions?


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14396292 - 05/03/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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> Nor was I put on the Earth to serve them. :cool:

Shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't want what they have.




Unfortunately anyone who wants basic needs is in a way a slave to the monetary system.



No they aren't.  They can fuck off to the deep woods and get their basic needs themselves.  They will also die young.  Oh well.




I suppose one could live like a fugitive in the woods, but they'd probably end up arrested if they got caught. Even if you want to live on a commune you have to pay taxes. :sad:

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14396325 - 05/03/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So you have no intention of answering john's questions?




Nah, he's reading way too much into it. I'm just throwing around ideas and seeing what people have to say. I'm more interesting in hearing suggestions on how to better implement such an idea, and the implications growing technology will have on our political culture in general. I don't come to these forums to have a debate or Poidesque line-by-line argument.

John, I appreciate your feedback and I did read what you had to say. I think our disagreement may lie in overall ideology and I'm sure we could argue for days. :grin:

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: johnm214]
    #14397939 - 05/04/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And what's this "corporations can act as individuals"?  That's irrelevant.  I hear people criticize the notion of entities that aren't natural persons being treated as legal entities, but they never seem to get around to explaining how its a bad thing.




You think its fine for Coroporations to be able to make massive undisclosed donation to political parties? You dont see how this can be a problem? :confused:


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    #14398750 - 05/04/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Of course I can see how that could be a problem, as with anything that isn't completely inert: you can have positive and negative effects.

What I can't see is how so many liberal-leaning people who claim to be for free speech and against censorship suddenly turn into censors when "corporations" are brought up.

If you support the first amendment then the issue is allready decided.  It is duplicitious to believe in open, free, debate and discussion and to turn around and want to deprive people of their rights (which, as I said, is what happens with corporate personhood or not, as its inevitably a person who acts for the corporation and who may be interpreted as acting as a person just as easily as they are interpreted as acting for the corporation).

It seems people loose their minds when "corporations" are brought up- half the criticisms don't seem to have anything particularly to do with the buisness model.

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: johnm214]
    #14399050 - 05/04/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> What I can't see is how so many liberal-leaning people who claim to be for free speech and against censorship suddenly turn into censors when "corporations" are brought up.

Most liberals are authoritarian at heart, but are unable to recognize it in their position.  They tend to use the rich as their boogieman to justify their authoritative nature.  It is ironic that they decry the right wing police state as authoritarian while advocating the left wing police state to protect the little man from the big scary rich man.


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: Seuss]
    #14399860 - 05/04/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you for bringing us another missive from the ivory towers of perfected thought. Or is it just another round of my dogmas better than your dogma? So hard to tell these days.


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: GazzBut]
    #14400082 - 05/04/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do you know what the word "dogma" means?


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    #14400376 - 05/04/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sure do.


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    #14400406 - 05/04/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well then maybe you can use it correctly next time.


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14400492 - 05/04/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Thank you for bringing us another missive from the ivory towers of perfected thought. Or is it just another round of my dogmas better than your dogma? So hard to tell these days.





Well, Seuss will defend his ideas and justify them, though you don't even ask for such before criticizing the manner in which they are conveyed (rather than the substance).  This is a bit different than many others who pop in with conclusory claims and depart without defending them.  Given Seuss is not one of the ones who engages in this silliness, I think your criticisms of some unidentified portion of his style of delivery is dumb.


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So you have no intention of answering john's questions?




Nah, he's reading way too much into it. I'm just throwing around ideas and seeing what people have to say. I'm more interesting in hearing suggestions on how to better implement such an idea, and the implications growing technology will have on our political culture in general. I don't come to these forums to have a debate or Poidesque line-by-line argument.

John, I appreciate your feedback and I did read what you had to say. I think our disagreement may lie in overall ideology and I'm sure we could argue for days. :grin:





I don't know of a better way to debate ideas asides from using the actual text you provide- poidesque or not.  Any alternative involves my interpretation without providing the reader and convieniant evidence of its applicability- something quoted text does nicely.

My objections are not to details, but rather the entire idea- unfinished though it may be.  You simultaneously argue for increased democracy while dismissing the validity and appropriatness of entire groups of the electorate- old, ignorant, uninvolved, et cet.  This seems a fundamental problem that remains unsolved.  Democracy is somewhat dangerous for the very reasons you seem to consider in dismissing particular voting blocks' opinions, but you nevertheless claim to favor greater democratic qualities to the US system- a somewhat quizzical stance.

A primary concern I have is the effect of requiring or allowing participation in official matters that requires particular technical skills and, more importantly, physical infrastructure.  Those who cannot afford such or who have differing types of these items would be excluded from this democratic system, it seems.  This seems a bit Jim Crow-like: democracy for everyone, except....

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: johnm214]
    #14400639 - 05/04/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A primary concern I have is the effect of requiring or allowing participation in official matters that requires particular technical skills and, more importantly, physical infrastructure.  Those who cannot afford such or who have differing types of these items would be excluded from this democratic system, it seems.  This seems a bit Jim Crow-like: democracy for everyone, except....




Indeed. It wouldn't work at the moment, but I suspect at some point in the future every individual will have regular access to a computer and the internet.

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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14403350 - 05/05/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You dont need to have direct personal access to the internet as some form of community centre could be setup where people without their own personal access could go to vote.

As for the requirement of technical skills, in our current systems there are no specific levels of skill / knowledge required to become a politician so you can end up with people like George W. and Sarah Palin holding the reins of power which is surely of far greater concern?


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Re: TRUE Democracy in the 21st Century and the ePolitician [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14403352 - 05/05/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well then maybe you can use it correctly next time.




As I used it correctly this time I would say the chances are fairly high that I will use it correctly next time Zap.


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