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King Cap
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Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me?
#14390721 - 05/02/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am having my first go at cultivation and Im having a few problems. My cakes are not pinning well, and almost every single pin has aborted. My first flush yielded under 3 grams of dry material, with only two very small mature mushrooms, all the rest were aborts. I tripped BALLZ off of this first harvest though, so not all bad =)
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Here is what I am dealing with, both of these are second flush
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Here is my SGFC. Holes are 1/2 inch, with some taped up because I got the idea RH was too low. 9 holes on each short side, (4 untaped). 16 on each long side (12 above perlite 4 of the 12 taped) and the center holes untaped on the lid. The LOWEST holes are untaped all around (to let CO2 drain out). Are too many taped up?
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I just started misting and fanning (at first I didnt know you had to with a SGFC) and here is the equipment I have available. Please tell me what the proper technique would be
I have an ultrasonic fogger and a spray bottle, which would be better? Fogger produces much finer mist and can fill up the sgfc with fog in no time
And for fanning that little red fan in the middle, how often, how long and is there a specific technique?

Anyways, I would really appreciate any help I can get. It is only my first time, but I would like to get some education before my next round of jars finishes colonizing
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: King Cap]
#14390816 - 05/02/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you dunk and roll? Next time use finer vermiculite for the roll. Those big chunks aren't doing anything.
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: fbi365]
#14390831 - 05/02/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i'm no expert, but the cakes look kinda dry to me... my friend's have a lot more moisture.
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King Cap
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: LayinUp]
#14390914 - 05/02/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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They are kinda hard. Should I mist more aggressively? Should I let the fogger saturate the fc for a while? And yea that so called professional grade verm from mycosupply is very coarse.
Edited by King Cap (05/02/11 08:08 PM)
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: King Cap]
#14390926 - 05/02/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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holes in fc are too big ... that verm looks like gold nuggets , get the fine stuff next time or grind it down in something ... cakes do look dry ... another dunk may be in order ...
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: cyantific]
#14390941 - 05/02/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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those big ass chunks of verm really add a really nice aesthetic quality to that fungus
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King Cap
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: LayinUp]
#14390965 - 05/02/11 08:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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cyantific said: holes in fc are too big ... that verm looks like gold nuggets , get the fine stuff next time or grind it down in something ... cakes do look dry ... another dunk may be in order ...
The cakes are of various ages. The middle ones birth same day as pictures, far left a week and half ago and the for right a little less than a week. Should I redunk any cakes without pins? And is that verm just complete garbage?
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: King Cap]
#14391079 - 05/02/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah that verm sucks ... you may be able to break it down in some kind of a grinder to roll them in after dunking ... you could give them a good "seat" out of it to rest on in the fc thats about it ...
as long as you dunked the newer ones they should be fine , i think your fc allowed the older ones to dry out too much though , so yeah if you did dunk them originally try giving them an overnight dunk ...
if you are unwilling to make a correct fc for whatever reason id at least find an old pillow , rip it open , and use the poly fill to stuff those holes and fan about 6 times a day ..
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: cyantific]
#14391096 - 05/02/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you need to fix those holes. Maybe tape half of each hole or something because that is letting in and out too much air and drying out your humid air. Mist the perlite each time as well but no standing water and with holes like that fan a bit less imo. Looks like it has a wind tunnel system.
also, everyone is right
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: cyantific]
#14391106 - 05/02/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm going with popular opinion here. The cakes look dry, those holes look too big and that verm looks like asteriods landed on your cakes.
1/4" holes every 2", 5" of wet perlite, fine verm. Do these 3 things and your humidity will stay up. Poor pinsets are a sign of dryness many times.
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: OneU]
#14391114 - 05/02/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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One last question. Would an overnight saturation with the ultrasonic fogger substitute at all for dunking? Just thought I'd ask and try to save some work
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: King Cap]
#14391138 - 05/02/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nope, that's no substitute for dunking. Since colonized cakes are hydrophobic, it requires some amount of water pressure to hydrate the cake. Toss it in a pitcher/tub/whatever and weigh it down overnight. You don't need to put it in the fridge.
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: afrosheen]
#14391154 - 05/02/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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your fruiting chamber is not a true sgfc it needs 1/4 inch holes on all 6 sides. mine has like 300 holes, yours has like 40...if you dont make it to specs its probably not going to work right.
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: King Cap]
#14391189 - 05/02/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned the biggest cause of fat stems and tiny caps, which is insufficient light and/or wrong spectrum light. As for hydrating dry cakes mid-flush, simply set them in a saucer of water and give them overnight or longer to soak it up. If they soak it up really fast, add more.
you can also pile up some verm on top of the cakes and saturate it with water. RR
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: OneU]
#14391220 - 05/02/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh and you need to lift up the SGFC with either a couple of bricks or something to allow the holes on the bottom (assuming there is any) to get some air too.
good job for making cakes though op but RR is right what kind of light is that?
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King Cap
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: King Cap]
#14391303 - 05/02/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I'm surprised nobody mentioned the biggest cause of fat stems and tiny caps, which is insufficient light and/or wrong spectrum light. As for hydrating dry cakes mid-flush, simply set them in a saucer of water and give them overnight or longer to soak it up. If they soak it up really fast, add more.
you can also pile up some verm on top of the cakes and saturate it with water.
I never even thought about light! That's just the regular lightbulb that came with my apt. I'll get a better light tomorrow for sure. I'll definitely try that saucer technique out as well. I've already been putting wet verm on top (cause my garbage verm wouldnt stick)
BTW I just ordered your videos, thought I'd throw that out there =)
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: OneU]
#14391333 - 05/02/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OneU said: Oh and you need to lift up the SGFC with either a couple of bricks or something to allow the holes on the bottom (assuming there is any) to get some air too.
good job for making cakes though op but RR is right what kind of light is that?
Thanks I tried real hard on those cakes. Pulled off a 0% contamination rate even though i inoculated at the PEAK of a very intense LSD trip.
It is slightly elevated (bout half an inch) above the table. Should it be higher? There are holes on the bottom. But the big 1/2 inch holes would let perlite fall out so I covered them with masking tape and poked full of holes (soon to be changed I'm going to follow the advice I got above of taping all holes halfway)
Thanks to everybody who gave me advice on this post.
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: King Cap]
#14391505 - 05/02/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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in the meanwhile id get another tub and do it by RR's SGFC specs on the video for next time
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King Cap
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thelivingfreekshow said: your fruiting chamber is not a true sgfc it needs 1/4 inch holes on all 6 sides. mine has like 300 holes, yours has like 40...if you dont make it to specs its probably not going to work right.
Just to clarify numbers. My bin has exactly 100 holes (including lid and bottom) these half inch holes have 4 times the area of a quarter inch. This brings it up to 400 quarter inch holes. General consensus is that this not good so for now I am partially taping the holes. Next time I'll use the right size. Gotta make mistakes to learn
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Re: Poor fruiting on PF cakes, can someone help me? [Re: King Cap]
#14391618 - 05/02/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just buy a new tub, make a mono, and do bulk
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