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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Satival]
    #14390307 - 05/02/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

they would if they were profiting off of em


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Salomon]
    #14390351 - 05/02/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

They would profit more selling addictive and destructive drugs.

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Satival]
    #14390377 - 05/02/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry, don't think that you should be able to buy a pre-loaded heroin and pcp syringe at the gas station next to the slim jims

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Satival]
    #14390385 - 05/02/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

of course not

you should have to go to walmart


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: DrMambo]
    #14390401 - 05/02/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DrMambo said:
of course not

you should have to go to walmart




at least to 7-11


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14390407 - 05/02/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All drugs should be legal, though perhaps regulated by the government to ensure purity and reliable dosage. People should be made aware of the legitimate danger to using certain drugs, and children should not be given access.

Badda-bing badda-boom.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14390430 - 05/02/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
All drugs should be legal, though perhaps regulated by the government to ensure purity and reliable dosage. People should be made aware of the legitimate danger to using certain drugs, and children should not be given access.

Badda-bing badda-boom.




Truth and information about drugs would lower addiction potential and instead of wasting money fighting this stupid pointless, neverending war on drugs they could use the money for more rehab centers with better treatment.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Devlish2]
    #14390467 - 05/02/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What's up with all these people wanting regulation by the government ? That's what got us to where we are today. The best thing the government can do is wash their hands of the issue.

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Yacub]
    #14390560 - 05/02/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

After thinking about it a bit more... Yeah maybe you guys are right. With the internet anybody can just google and learn about drugs these days. However, I still think that you should have to be 19 to buy drugs including alcohol, cigs, weed, etc. What do you guys think about that?

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14392884 - 05/03/11 04:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The goal here would be to have the drugs legal and not regulate the drugs themselves, but the users.
The thing is. If its legal, the government must ensure that they dont kill their own citizens. My guess would be, if you want to buy cocaine, do it BUT you HAVE to register with the governement so they can 'check up' on you. It sounds like you would have the government hands up your ass. But on the plus side, you would get proper services, clean seringes, quality products and most importantly, no fear of getting arrested.




Agreed until this.
For USA for example, they legalize weapons, isn't that giving the civilians means to kill themselves?

Also don't you think that if the government were to start controlling the amounts of drug taken/available for one person this same person would eventually have to buy it from a dealer?
I think your issue here is not the legalization of drugs by itself but dealing with the addicts, this is still a problem nowadays, only they'll probably kill for a dose of cut shit, and probably take it from a pretty used syringe.

Dealing with this isn't easy now nor will it ever be, the thing is, a probably well educated people with legal access to drugs won't probably lead to so many addiction problems as you see nowadays.
Also there are sometimes many other issues behind an addiction problems, and I think that betting on helping these people wouldn't also be a bad idea.
Detox, rehabilitation programs, and put them working in return, learning to do something.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: pouihi]
    #14393972 - 05/03/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

marijuana & mushrooms should defiantly be legal. :laugh:

but things like acid and alcohol personally i don't think should be legal, not that i don't like them, but alot of people in America just can't handle it and making it such a easy to get item is just stupid.

just so everyone knows this is my first post on a forum ever :p

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: sexybait13]
    #14393987 - 05/03/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I hate the way that people assume the legalisation will immediately lead to everyone trying all the drugs they can. It simply won't happen. If a person isn't interested in a drug today, the won't be when it's legalised.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14394031 - 05/03/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i'd say keep pcp illegal. shits whack.

but really, make em all legal and have information provided for each of them, such as dosage and their effects, as well as some things to keep in mind while taking psychedelics.

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: propensity] * 1
    #14394033 - 05/03/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I agree with what you say. Especially the billions saved to put towards something else.

Although, sure you could buy a shit ton of aspirine to kill yourself, but that is voluntary suicide. The problem with the drugs is that most people who kill themselves do it because of their ever increasing tolerance. On occasion, sure, its a legit suicide.

The goal here would be to have the drugs legal and not regulate the drugs themselves, but the users.

The thing is. If its legal, the government must ensure that they dont kill their own citizens. My guess would be, if you want to buy cocaine, do it BUT you HAVE to register with the governement so they can 'check up' on you. It sounds like you would have the government hands up your ass. But on the plus side, you would get proper services, clean seringes, quality products and most importantly, no fear of getting arrested.

It would be a trade off... No cops hunting you down or gangs selling you shit BUT we gotta know who you are and everytime you buy, all your info on your purchase must be registered for medical purposes and shit. Of course, at a much lower price... cause lets face it, if coke was legal, it would be as cheap as booze..

That is the way I could see it happening. Of course there would be a different way of doing it depending on the type of drug.

Does that make any sense? Would you be willing to play by the rules if you had it cheap and legal?




I sort of see what you are saying, but then......

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No fuck that shit.

Readily available in purity for me to choose when and how much I put in my body.

With proper drug education everyone would know how to be a responsible drug user. If they choose to ignore this, let them die.




THIS.

None of this government regulating how much of drug A and B I can buy or put in my own body. FUCK THAT SHIT.

My point about being able to kill myself with Vodka from the store right now isn't any different.

The problem is you are expecting government to protect junkies from themselves.
Not gonna happen.
We have to educate. Educate. EDUCATE. INFORM PEOPLE about the drugs they are putting in their bodies, so they can make INFORMED DECISIONS about what they are ingesting. Then if they choose to ignore that, and destroy themselves.. FUCK EM.

Legalizing drugs isn't going to turn everyone into junkies. Most people are already aware of the dangers of certain drugs and wouldn't try them even if they were legal.

Again, I'm gonna say it again.

I consider ALCOHOL one of the most destructive drugs on the planet. Worse than coke. It is addictive, it destroys you, it's much more socially accepted. Therefore it's way more dangerous to society.

That shit is legal. Anyone over 21 can go ruin their lives with it legally.

I don't walk around on the streets telling people not to drink - it's their fucking life. I support everyone's right to put whatever the fuck they want in their body even if it destroys them. I may throw a warning or two.

It's not the governments job to tell someone how much they can drink/how much coke they can do.

People should be allowed to consume whatever the fuck they want. They should be educated and informed so that they are making conscious, informed decisions. But they should be allowed to consume whatever the fuck they want without LEGAL consequences.

PCP, Crack, Heroin, all legal. You just have to be of a certain age, and they would have a big ass warning sticker on the side: Warning, This shit is fucking nuts and may make you go crazy or whatever.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14394235 - 05/03/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Personally would be happy if weed, lsd, dmt, shrooms, and psychedelics were legal.
Legalization of heroin and crack wouldn't be something I'd be too concerned about:rofl: 
For heroin and crack I think it should be kept under the counter out of sight, so some douche doesn't just see a ten dollar bag of crack and decides because hes bored that day he'll try it. :chococrack:
If psychedelics were legal that'd be enough for me :foreveralone:

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: i like cow poo] * 4
    #14394244 - 05/03/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This is what's wrong with this picture. Everyone thinks only the drugs THEY like should be legalized. You're missing the point completely.

I like LSD, DMT, and XYZ too. I hate alcohol. HATE. But I think it should remain legal and I think anyone should have the right to drink it.

"I don't like crack so it should be illegal". :dudewtf:

What are you, the drug guru who decides what's right or wrong for everyone else based on your limited subjective reality?

Isn't that EXACTLY what the government does RIGHT NOW? The drugs THEY like are legal, the ones they don't like are illegal.

Who are YOU to say what people can't handle?

Are you saying that people can't responsibly use coke, or heroin? Because I know they can.

It's not my fault if you don't have any self control.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14394315 - 05/03/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:werd:

I bet 90% of the people claiming "PCP SHOULD BE ILLEGAL THO!!!" have never tried it... so that makes them equally as retarded as the people who keep weed illegal because they haven't tried it and think its the devil too.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14394486 - 05/03/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

None of this government regulating how much of drug A and B I can buy or put in my own body. FUCK THAT SHIT.

My point about being able to kill myself with Vodka from the store right now isn't any different.

The problem is you are expecting government to protect junkies from themselves.
Not gonna happen.
We have to educate. Educate. EDUCATE. INFORM PEOPLE about the drugs they are putting in their bodies, so they can make INFORMED DECISIONS about what they are ingesting. Then if they choose to ignore that, and destroy themselves.. FUCK EM.

Legalizing drugs isn't going to turn everyone into junkies. Most people are already aware of the dangers of certain drugs and wouldn't try them even if they were legal.

Again, I'm gonna say it again.

I consider ALCOHOL one of the most destructive drugs on the planet. Worse than coke. It is addictive, it destroys you, it's much more socially accepted. Therefore it's way more dangerous to society.

That shit is legal. Anyone over 21 can go ruin their lives with it legally.

I don't walk around on the streets telling people not to drink - it's their fucking life. I support everyone's right to put whatever the fuck they want in their body even if it destroys them. I may throw a warning or two.

It's not the governments job to tell someone how much they can drink/how much coke they can do.

People should be allowed to consume whatever the fuck they want. They should be educated and informed so that they are making conscious, informed decisions. But they should be allowed to consume whatever the fuck they want without LEGAL consequences.

PCP, Crack, Heroin, all legal. You just have to be of a certain age, and they would have a big ass warning sticker on the side: Warning, This shit is fucking nuts and may make you go crazy or whatever.




I completely understand your point of view.

Although, imagine we were close to legalization, you ave to put things in perspective.

Since it was illegal for decades and the governemnt decides to make it legal, it sure as hell won't let the drugs run freely. I seriously doubt the governement would just get out of the picture... The government craves control and they won't let hard drugs go without supervision. They can't actually.

lets take a approximate number, 90%. 90% of the citizen in the country are against drugs and don't do them. If the governement decides to legalize them, they will get a shit load of complaints from worried citizens that don't want junkies on PCP running around in the neighborhood where their children play.

People will require safety. They will need to know that the situation will be under control and that nobodies safety will be compromised.

That being said. The government would never trust its own citizen with legal hard drugs with control. I would not either. Too many idiots out there to give them responsibility of their usage.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14394631 - 05/03/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The way some of you speak it seems like making it illegal is solving the problem.

Drugs are still available to anyone who wants them, you just end up having low quality product and will probably ingest chemicals that aren't drugs and won't do you any good.

A few years ago in my country 4 kids decided that it would be fun to play with Datura, they made some tea and the 4 ended up in the hospital, 1 died.

Anyone can pick up a mushroom and eat it, anyone can take any plant and ingest it and anyone can buy any drug in the nearest dealer.

The problem to begin with is treating these substances as taboos, "forbidden fruits" which sometimes even make some wanting them more for that.
Education, Information, Awareness.
Keeping the masses dumb works great for gov. How many people actually think marijuana is the devil itself and responsible for numerous deaths??? And probably while smoking their cigarette and drinking their whiskey?
It's non-sense.
Keeping things underground will never help.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14394730 - 05/03/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That being said. The government would never trust its own citizen with legal hard drugs with control. I would not either. Too many idiots out there to give them responsibility of their usage.




You missed at least one point of the comment you quoted. People are already allowed to freely consume as much alcohol as they can carry out of a liquor store, get as drunk as they like, and beat their wife/kids, attack someone at a bar, etc.  Nothing is stopping them from doing it.  They will get arrested afterwards but so would hard drug users.  If people are afraid of someone using pcp in their neighborhood they should already be terrified because it is very likely they have an alcoholic or two in their midst.

The law has to be about crimes committed and not substances consumed.

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