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Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake?
    #14389693 - 05/02/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have eleven jars incubating and two are almost ready for birthing (one is B+ and the other is Ecuadorian). Should I attempt to case both separately or should I simply birth them together in a fruiting chamber?

This is a topic I have been searching in the forum for about three days and I have not seen an answer to this question.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: skeetNyoEYE]
    #14389981 - 05/02/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't case them. Dunk them, roll them in verm and place them in your fc.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: healing]
    #14389995 - 05/02/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd wait until they are all ready, then dunk and roll.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14390355 - 05/02/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I had a jar that was extremely ahead of my other batch and picking up a lot of pins, so..

i birthed it
scraped the uncolonized part out with a sterilized spoon
crumbled it
put it back in the jar
dunked the crumbled cake for 24 hours
put a layer of verm on bottom, sprayed until damp
applied my layer of crumbled cake
put a 50/50 cactus soil/verm mix on top and misted until nice and moist
put the lid on my dish and put in the incubator for a few days until it was covered in mycelium
then moved it to my f.c. and voila

i got about 30g wet off that casing, its going for round 2 now... got a few pins starting to pop up...

Here a pic of my single 1/2 pinter in fruiting


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14390375 - 05/02/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

30g wet off one jar dont case PF jars are about as efficent as they can be u will get more uncased


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: healing]
    #14390449 - 05/02/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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healing said:
Don't case them. Dunk them, roll them in verm and place them in your fc.



I always thought "rolling" was essentially casing?


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: bakenast]
    #14390499 - 05/02/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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30g wet off one jar dont case PF jars are about as efficent as they can be u will get more uncased




I didnt.... 30g was my top per cake for my 1st flush..? i got 130g wet off the other 11 combined.

Edit: If you do the math, that averages to 11/12g wet per cake otherwise from the combined total, I got 2.5x as much off the casing.  And yet again the casing is pinning first.

I'm not telling him to go case, I'm just telling him it is an option and it did work for me...


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14390683 - 05/02/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: bakenast]
    #14395093 - 05/03/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is my first time grow and I've probably read through at least two hundred different posts throughout the course of three months. So you can probably understand how "stretched" I am as to what methods to use.

How long can the myc survive in the jar while waiting for the others to catch up? Some of the other ones are going to take a WHILE.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14395103 - 05/03/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I had a jar that was extremely ahead of my other batch and picking up a lot of pins, so..

i birthed it
scraped the uncolonized part out with a sterilized spoon
crumbled it
put it back in the jar
dunked the crumbled cake for 24 hours
put a layer of verm on bottom, sprayed until damp
applied my layer of crumbled cake
put a 50/50 cactus soil/verm mix on top and misted until nice and moist
put the lid on my dish and put in the incubator for a few days until it was covered in mycelium
then moved it to my f.c. and voila

i got about 30g wet off that casing, its going for round 2 now... got a few pins starting to pop up...

Here a pic of my single 1/2 pinter in fruiting





How fast did it take for the crumbled substrate to colonize? I might try that with a couple of the ones already looking about 95% colonized.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: skeetNyoEYE]
    #14395358 - 05/03/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Check my thread out. Hpoo or go home.:thumbup:


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: FrequentFryer]
    #14395561 - 05/03/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

stop, dunk and roll :lsdabc:  :lsdabc:  :lsdabc:


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: skeetNyoEYE]
    #14396086 - 05/03/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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How fast did it take for the crumbled substrate to colonize? I might try that with a couple of the ones already looking about 95% colonized.




i believe it took about 4 or 5 days to colonize, and another 2 or 3 to start pinning


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: skeetNyoEYE]
    #14396164 - 05/03/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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This is my first time grow and I've probably read through at least two hundred different posts throughout the course of three months. So you can probably understand how "stretched" I am as to what methods to use.

How long can the myc survive in the jar while waiting for the others to catch up? Some of the other ones are going to take a WHILE.




I've left my cakes to site for over a month of consolidation (after 100% colonization) Just let the cake sit and wait untill the others are ready.... dont be impatient or you'll end up waisting your time


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: bakenast]
    #14396366 - 05/03/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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30g wet off one jar dont case PF jars are about as efficent as they can be u will get more uncased




I don't know if this is entirely true (source?), but if you're not going to spawn to a bulk substrate then I would agree that leaving cakes as cakes is probably best. They are a novelty, really, something to get your foot in the door and some experience under your belt. Grain, trays, bulk sub, casing, etc. are where the fun begins :smile: If you're not ready to make that next step, and just want to get the most out of your cakes, dunk & roll it is.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14396379 - 05/03/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

u only got 11/12 grams wet per cake<------ Id look into a new hobby cakes should yield way more than that, I just got 40 wet of 1 cake uncased.and that  wasnt the good one,,, the cakes i did case i used 3 half pint jars and crumbled them up it 5 to 7 pounds of compost and now i have hundreds of pins. What did u use to make the cakes


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: AciD.DuRaN]
    #14397111 - 05/03/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

organic brf & sta-green horticultural vermiculite. and i like my hobby why would you just quit something you just started cause you didnt do "great as other people". doing something you love is trial and error when starting.  i had a jar that was done way too soon and had pins so i thought id try my hand at a casing on a small scale before i stepped up to a big scale.  all my conditions are right, 100-105% RH, steady 70 degrees, PMP, dual outlet 60gal air pump into 4 bubble wands, hydroton.  my shrooms came out real potent though. about 1.5g dry sends my friends and i to somewhere and beyond. 

im NOTgrowing for quantity I'm growing for quality and assurance that I knowwhat and how what i am consuminginto my body was grown and treated.

people need to stop being so narcissistic on this board towards noobs and re-noobs


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14397423 - 05/03/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

With a small hpoo tray only an inch deep i've gotten about a half ounce dry so far off 2 flushes and its on its third. And it was my very first expierience growing anything mushroom related.. If you got 11-12 grams wet on your cake you seriously need to rethink your growing strategy.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: FrequentFryer]
    #14397495 - 05/03/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing to contribute, just thought the OP's nick is hilarious.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14397536 - 05/03/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I got a nice chuckle out of it too.

As far as the OP question ... I would just put them in you fc and let them fruit. No harm in getting some goodies earlier than the bulk of your grow :smile:


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14397628 - 05/03/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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organic brf & sta-green horticultural vermiculite. and i like my hobby why would you just quit something you just started cause you didnt do "great as other people". doing something you love is trial and error when starting.  i had a jar that was done way too soon and had pins so i thought id try my hand at a casing on a small scale before i stepped up to a big scale.  all my conditions are right, 100-105% RH, steady 70 degrees, PMP, dual outlet 60gal air pump into 4 bubble wands, hydroton.  my shrooms came out real potent though. about 1.5g dry sends my friends and i to somewhere and beyond. 

im NOT growing for quantity I'm growing for quality and assurance that I know what and how what i am consuming into my body was grown and treated.

people need to stop being so narcissistic on this board towards noobs and re-noobs




Chill, Winston! Don't get so damned worked up over some eraserhead calling you a n00b over the internet.

If your cakes are pinning before they are fully colonized, something is amiss. What are you using for a lid? Filter? Air-holes, sizes? I suspect FAE is occurring, rather than the GE that is required at the colonization stage.

Also, you forgot to / your bbs code :p


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: FrequentFryer]
    #14397702 - 05/03/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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With a small hpoo tray only an inch deep i've gotten about a half ounce dry so far off 2 flushes and its on its third. And it was my very first expierience growing anything mushroom related.. If you got 11-12 grams wet on your cake you seriously need to rethink your growing strategy.




trust me i am i have several different projects going... not just one!  that was my average combined i didnt bother to weight separately i had a few cakes that didnt pin nothing but two pins.  there are lots of variables between different peoples grows.. just like no 2 people are alike.

half an oz is only 14.2 g (roughly 143g wet)from two flushes how much substrate do you have in that tray?

i had 16g total dry off my first flush of 12 cake (162g wet, plus a small amount i ate fresh)

from my understanding 2-7g dry per cake after its all flushed out and spent is normal.  if thats true, expecting only another gram dry off per cake would complete this total to satisfaction.  and as stated before weight is not my reason for growing.  i do it because its something i enjoy that calms my busy nerves of writing thesis papers.

no offense but you are a noobie too, in your first grow.  this is my first grow in about 9-10 years.  i do remember my basics and i am toying with numbers and materials.  not to mention working on a college grad-student budget and i study within a related field of this sort.  also my hours keep getting cut at work so my budget keeps getting slim to the point of im budgeting to the extreme... the joys of trying to keep your job thats cutting hours while trying to get another job that suits your 20 credit hour schedule...

another variable of mine is with work and my classes/study/work time i dont always have enough time for fae,and misting manually, which i concur played a part on my weight. 

i probably could of got more weight but does it really matter to me? no. i got some quality stuff and thats what matters to me.


ps> im not worked up because of these SAMHSA qualified individuals.  i know the reasoning behind why my jars were pinning, its because i could only find the tall 1/2 pints and they took forever by the time they got to the bottom.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: ic3.qu33n]
    #14399221 - 05/04/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ps> im not worked up because of these SAMHSA qualified individuals.  i know the reasoning behind why my jars were pinning, its because i could only find the tall 1/2 pints and they took forever by the time they got to the bottom.




Really? Because I have used those jars as well, and none of mine started pinning before 100% colonization and a week of consolidation. But oh well, you seem to know exactly what you're doing.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: p_walter]
    #14399255 - 05/04/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Wait till they are ready then birth them puppies. Rinse them off dunk them and then roll them, put them onto lids into a bin with 4 or 5 inches of moist perlite. Give them a good misting and mist then fan 3-4 times a day. You will be happy you did when you see the fruits of your labor and not the epic contaminated failure of doing a casing without patience and experimentation first. :winner:


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: p_walter]
    #14399272 - 05/04/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ps> im not worked up because of these SAMHSA qualified individuals.  i know the reasoning behind why my jars were pinning, its because i could only find the tall 1/2 pints and they took forever by the time they got to the bottom.




Really? Because I have used those jars as well, and none of mine started pinning before 100% colonization and a week of consolidation. But oh well, you seem to know exactly what you're doing.





i know people who have never had a single invitro pin, my tall half pints however get riddled with them by the end of consolidation.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: Synocybin]
    #14399288 - 05/04/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

In vitro pinning is partly a genetic attribute, in my experience.
Some cultures are far more prone to it than others.


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Re: Can I case a single 1/2 pt cake? [Re: skeetNyoEYE]
    #14605034 - 06/13/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So you guys know, I just placed them in a FC. No scale, but I'd say I grew enough to trip about three weeks in a row, all pretty good trips with the last being the best and most intense.

I will definitely try a bulk grow next time (most likely straw sub).

Thank you for your tips and informative discussion.


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