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Bstsneverr
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: shroomiin]
#14393384 - 05/03/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Like RR stated metabolites are normal... But those cakes are screaming man. They are telling you theres a problem, or going to be a problem.
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ThisIsPathetic
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: Bstsneverr]
#14396170 - 05/03/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bstsneverr said: Like RR stated metabolites are normal... But those cakes are screaming man. They are telling you theres a problem, or going to be a problem.
I totally agree with everything everyone is saying... minus the trich part.
I don't think there is a VISIBLE contam... the entire chamber smells DELICIOUS, and when I touch it/poke at certain spots it is still rock hard (gloves worn).
So I want to say that it is producing an EXTREME amount of metabolites... seems to almost double everyday I look at it... and also an excessive amount of bruising, which seems to be 'spreading' along the top of it next to the vermiculite on top...
So I believe there IS a problem... I keep hoping to see pins, but they don't seem to be coming in...
I'm wondering what could be causing this... and what these signs MEAN... It's in a shotgun chamber with a TON of holes in it... plus I air it out 3+ times a day. I've been cutting back a LITTLE on the misting, and humidity is at the proper temperatures...
I'm starting to cut back on the light cycle as well, for I feel that it is adding excess heat. Might transfer to a 'taller' chamber to see if that helps...
Anyone know what could be the possible issue??? or any suggestions?
I don't want to lose these! 
Here are updated pictures as of 5 minutes ago... you can easily see the spread of the original 'issue'
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: ThisIsPathetic]
#14397517 - 05/03/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Simply enough, your substrate has some kind of bacterial infection I bet. However, the mush strain you're using is aggressive and is able to colonize in spite of it.
Think about cubes in the wild growing on cow patties, I imagine they sweat out some crap too but you just don't see it.
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: afrosheen]
#14397569 - 05/03/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree that it looks like it's fighting some nastiness. I'm no expert though. IDK ... but it looks like its turning green Best of luck man!
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: ThisIsPathetic]
#14399405 - 05/04/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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shroomiin said: yeah, i bet thats where he touches it when handling. My shit always bruises where I touch it.
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ThisIsPathetic said: smells DELICIOUS, and when I touch it/poke at certain spots it is still rock hard (gloves worn).
sorry guys i couldn't resist
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: auronlives69]
#14401494 - 05/04/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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auronlives69 said:
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shroomiin said: yeah, i bet thats where he touches it when handling. My shit always bruises where I touch it.
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ThisIsPathetic said: smells DELICIOUS, and when I touch it/poke at certain spots it is still rock hard (gloves worn).
sorry guys i couldn't resist 
LMAO - very nice...
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: ThisIsPathetic]
#14401571 - 05/04/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow man, I have a little bit of that due to the internal temps during colonization... But i'm going to be watching your grow as I have 2 spongi-blocks in my GH right now... maybe mist a little less and fan more?
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: ThisIsPathetic]
#14401691 - 05/04/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ThisIsPathetic said:

oh well there is your problem. you are improvising a fruiting chamber instead of following a proven tek.
and before you say "but koolaid, this here is the famed SGFC"
you built it wrong. try again.
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: k00laid]
#14406138 - 05/05/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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slapphappypill said: wow man, I have a little bit of that due to the internal temps during colonization... But i'm going to be watching your grow as I have 2 spongi-blocks in my GH right now... maybe mist a little less and fan more?
Most def man, I did the same thing... only used my own recipe...
And funny thing is I have recently been airing out more, and misting less haha, doesn't seem to stop it from getting 'worse' (<- can't technically say its doomed yet... but I'm giving it until tomorrow to show ANY signs of pinning).
Also cut back on the lights... since I know that also causes excess heat...
Todays picture updates to come shortly within the next 15 minutes or so.
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k00laid said:
oh well there is your problem. you are improvising a fruiting chamber instead of following a proven tek.
and before you say "but koolaid, this here is the famed SGFC"
you built it wrong. try again.
I feel a LITTLE bit of hostility here... but its all good, I'm not one to take offense... I figured the basic 'SGFC' design was a plastic bin and holes in it... so it gets some FAE while you are out n about and in between the fanning... but I guess I'm wrong?
A link or some of your knowledge would be helpful... since I really wouldn't want to 'try' again if I got it wrong in the first place.
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: k00laid]
#14406196 - 05/05/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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k00laid said:
oh well there is your problem. you are improvising a fruiting chamber instead of following a proven tek.
and before you say "but koolaid, this here is the famed SGFC"
you built it wrong. try again.
Actually, I see where you are coming from. In my one chamber I do not have holes on ALL 6 sides... The second chamber, I did the four sides, but not the top or bottom. I don't really think having holes in the lid are THAT beneficial... since C02 is heavy... therefore it would never escape out of the top... and same with the bottom... since its just perlite down there, and I figured if ANYTHING it would dry out the perlite... plus didn't want to make a mess with the few pieces/moisture that makes it out of the holes... IMO...
plus in all honesty... I doubt that not having those extra sides of holes is whats causing these bricks to react the way they are... once again tho, I'm not expert, and thats only my own opinion :P
Great insight tho, for once I clean these out, I will definitely stop being lazy, and put in the 2 extra side of holes
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: ThisIsPathetic]
#14406274 - 05/05/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Holes on the bottom allow CO2 to seep out and fresh air to move through the perlite and keep the air from sitting stagnant in between fanning. It's also another reason why it should be off the floor so that the underside of the FC can get airflow and move through the perlite.
I would definitely follow a SGFC tek to the letter. They are proven methods that have found to work the best after countless tries and tests.
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: Wing]
#14406373 - 05/05/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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winged_1 said: Holes on the bottom allow CO2 to seep out and fresh air to move through the perlite and keep the air from sitting stagnant in between fanning. It's also another reason why it should be off the floor so that the underside of the FC can get airflow and move through the perlite.
I would definitely follow a SGFC tek to the letter. They are proven methods that have found to work the best after countless tries and tests.
ahh, THANK YOU for your input... I will definitely look into doing some modifications to what I have already after these cakes go bad... aka in like 2 days I'm assuming :P
but I appreciate the kindness and information/explanation
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: ThisIsPathetic]
#14406744 - 05/05/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ThisIsPathetic said: I don't really think having holes in the lid are THAT beneficial... since C02 is heavy... therefore it would never escape out of the top... and same with the bottom... since its just perlite down there, and I figured if ANYTHING it would dry out the perlite
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winged_1 said: Holes on the bottom allow CO2 to seep out
This is not correct.
According to my CO2 meter, far more CO2 is expelled out the top and sides than the bottom. CO2 isn't heavy like water, so it doesn't just 'drain' out. Instead, it mixes with the air that comes in, and then flows out mostly through the sides, but also the top due to turbulence caused by the design, which takes advantage of minute pressure differences caused by temperature(evaporative cooling within the perlite).
The bottom of a shotgun terrarium is the 'intake', so if there's no holes there, you will have lower humidity and a higher CO2 level because less air is coming in to the terrarium to push the CO2 and stale air out the sides and top. RR
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14408056 - 05/05/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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ThisIsPathetic said: I don't really think having holes in the lid are THAT beneficial... since C02 is heavy... therefore it would never escape out of the top... and same with the bottom... since its just perlite down there, and I figured if ANYTHING it would dry out the perlite
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winged_1 said: Holes on the bottom allow CO2 to seep out
This is not correct.
According to my CO2 meter, far more CO2 is expelled out the top and sides than the bottom. CO2 isn't heavy like water, so it doesn't just 'drain' out. Instead, it mixes with the air that comes in, and then flows out mostly through the sides, but also the top due to turbulence caused by the design, which takes advantage of minute pressure differences caused by temperature(evaporative cooling within the perlite).
The bottom of a shotgun terrarium is the 'intake', so if there's no holes there, you will have lower humidity and a higher CO2 level because less air is coming in to the terrarium to push the CO2 and stale air out the sides and top. RR
and all of this is explained here
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
the video is cool too but most of the specifics are in the text.
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14409556 - 05/06/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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ThisIsPathetic said: I don't really think having holes in the lid are THAT beneficial... since C02 is heavy... therefore it would never escape out of the top... and same with the bottom... since its just perlite down there, and I figured if ANYTHING it would dry out the perlite
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winged_1 said: Holes on the bottom allow CO2 to seep out
This is not correct.
According to my CO2 meter, far more CO2 is expelled out the top and sides than the bottom. CO2 isn't heavy like water, so it doesn't just 'drain' out. Instead, it mixes with the air that comes in, and then flows out mostly through the sides, but also the top due to turbulence caused by the design, which takes advantage of minute pressure differences caused by temperature(evaporative cooling within the perlite).
The bottom of a shotgun terrarium is the 'intake', so if there's no holes there, you will have lower humidity and a higher CO2 level because less air is coming in to the terrarium to push the CO2 and stale air out the sides and top. RR
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: Bstsneverr]
#14413823 - 05/07/11 04:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Figured I'd share pics of my block cakes with ya I was thinking about a top layer of verm and decided against it... now i'm thinking it was a mistake as my blocks have been having a tough time staying hydrated. I'll end up using verm for the 2nd flush though
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: k00laid]
#14413850 - 05/07/11 05:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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k00laid said:
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ThisIsPathetic said:

oh well there is your problem. you are improvising a fruiting chamber instead of following a proven tek.
and before you say "but koolaid, this here is the famed SGFC"
you built it wrong. try again.
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: ThisIsPathetic]
#14413961 - 05/07/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ThisIsPathetic said: Personally, I have never read anything, seen anything, or heard anything about this...
I have a couple other posts about the bricks I have made...
But now that I am in the 'fruiting' stage, I have made a very strange discovery...
My cakes are bleed. Found them this morning, 'orange' looking drops of water coming straight through the colonized mycelium...


ANY INSIGHT ANYONE??
I figured... possible contam?
I have experience 'orange' in jars before... but it was due to when I drilled the holes in the metal, and some of the shards got left in the jar, and caused rust.
But I used bags for this TEK... and didn't use any metal...
The ONLY thing I can think of is that I am using 'well'-like water for misting...
Other than that, the cakes have been colonizing pretty fast... only took it like 2 days to colonized the 'roll' of vermiculite after dunking...
plus its STILL colonizing, because this morning I realized white starting to take over the thick layer of vermiculite I have on top.
Been in the fruiting chamber for I want to say 2 weeks now... Looks like they are bruising... but knots have been coming up, same with dark looking knots... and then dark blue by the corners of the bricks...
Not sure if its due to lack of misting... but I have been misting multiple times per day, and giving it PLENTY of FAE.
Other Pics:

Open for discussion... really interested in what in the HELL is going on with these bricks... Cuz they do NOT seem contamed at all.
Don't tuch that,it's piss!
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: deniks]
#14414095 - 05/07/11 07:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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deniks said: Don't tuch that,it's piss!
1. its not piss. 2. piss is actually incredibly clean.
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Re: "Bleeding Cakes" - Interesting observation... [Re: k00laid]
#14414150 - 05/07/11 07:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you cut yourself away from civilization with no first aid, you are supposed to clean the wound by pissing on it. Bear Grills on man VS wild drinks his own pee on a bunch of different episodes.
BTW that white growth around the top edge kind of looks like trich b4 it turns green. I couldn't zoom in enough to be sure but if it looks like a sandy white layer on top of the myc it will probably turn green any day.
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