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Bubble wands
    #14387660 - 05/02/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

is there a substitute for them when using the PmP tek?

i have some hydroton left over from a failed hyd-gro and was thinking about just making a PmP FC since i've never one it and i dont feel like drilling 500 more holes in a new FC.


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Its been 4weeks since i cased what is going on?
i used human manure(mine) vermiculite and coco coir

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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Synocybin]
    #14387680 - 05/02/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You can get them at aquarium stores for cheap or pet shops.

You do need them.

I would recommend a monotub not a PMP. You dont drill many holes for a mono.

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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Synocybin]
    #14387699 - 05/02/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

A bubble wand creates a huge surface area for the liquid, allowing an aquarium, for example, to maintain normal gaseous balance with the atmosphere.
In a PMP, it's just pushing fresh air in evenly to push out the used air.
So it's more a question of how much air your pump is putting out rather than how exactly it's delivered.
Several smaller airstones would work as well for mushrooms, though not as well for fish.

That's all based on having fish, I never built a PMP. So it could be utter bullshit. :shrug:


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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Doc_T]
    #14387712 - 05/02/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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A bubble wand creates a huge surface area for the liquid, allowing an aquarium, for example, to maintain normal gaseous balance with the atmosphere.
In a PMP, it's just pushing fresh air in evenly to push out the used air.
So it's more a question of how much air your pump is putting out rather than how exactly it's delivered.
Several smaller airstones would work as well for mushrooms, though not as well for fish.

That's all based on having fish, I never built a PMP. So it could be utter bullshit. :shrug:




You can run several smaller airstones. But anywhere with airstones has bubble wands.

Either way Monotub > PMP from personal experience.

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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Doc_T]
    #14387717 - 05/02/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you dont have a bubble wand, you could use a air curtains instead. I have two PMP's running with 4 bubble wands (its a really big tub), and two fish pumps. Then a smaller one with 2 bubble wands they are about 30cm each in length. as for substitutes i guess you could drill or poke pin pricks in your tube, it will take you a while to get a decent amount of holes and you could run that within your pmp not entirely sure how effective it will be thou


PMP > Mono & SFGC personal exp.

Start pump, put trays, walk away.. mist if it gets really dry thats about it.

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Re: Bubble wands [Re: TrustYourSelf]
    #14387722 - 05/02/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, agreed. And hybrid MSG > monotub. I'd drill holes if it were me.


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Re: Bubble wands [Re: semaphore]
    #14387766 - 05/02/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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PMP > Mono & SFGC personal exp.

Start pump, put trays, walk away.. mist if it gets really dry thats about it.




Yea but who wants to buy a pump and wands for every tub? The cost of a mono is much less than a PMP. You can stack 5 mono on top of each other. Then just run big box fans.

I've run a PMP and a shotgun. Mono were always cheaper and better yielding. I mist only when the sub didn't have enough moisture to hold out on its own. Normally no misting if you set the sub right.

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Re: Bubble wands [Re: TrustYourSelf]
    #14387782 - 05/02/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That's all based on having fish, I never built a PMP. So it could be utter bullshit. :shrug:




thefriend that got me into this hobby used a PmP and it was consistant full canopies or at least good, healthy fruits.

i'm just trying to get away from the SGFC's.. my house is shit for holding humidity and the elevation of the place i'm in makes it even harder.

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I would recommend a monotub not a PMP. You dont drill many holes for a mono.




shhh...  stop talking.

if i was asking about which would work better i'd have accepted your answer, dont jack my shit to tell me nothing about the question i asked.

i'm trying not to be hostile, but its a sad day when my question in my thread takes a backseat to every other nyoobs shit experience about their only grow.

my last couple grows have been in little tubs spawned to coir, maybe about a 5 qt grow, they worked really well.


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Its been 4weeks since i cased what is going on?
i used human manure(mine) vermiculite and coco coir

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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Synocybin]
    #14387798 - 05/02/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Get some fish pump piping, start making tiny pin pricks in it, seal the end thats going into your pmp with silicone. There you have your own home made air curtain. Will take you about 2 hours to make give or take depending on the density of the holes you make.

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Re: Bubble wands [Re: semaphore]
    #14387806 - 05/02/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Get some fish pump piping, start making tiny pin pricks in it, seal the end thats going into your pmp with silicone. There you have your own home made air curtain. Will take you about 2 hours to make give or take depending on the density of the holes you make.




is this something that you have tried? because that seems alittle more macguyver-ish than bubble wands lol


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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Synocybin]
    #14387814 - 05/02/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i'm just trying to get away from the SGFC's.. my house is shit for holding humidity and the elevation of the place i'm in makes it even harder.




I've got the same issues, I use an unpowered greenhouse as a humidity tent.
Shotguns and MSGs work great in there. You have room for something like that?


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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Synocybin]
    #14387816 - 05/02/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Get some fish pump piping, start making tiny pin pricks in it, seal the end thats going into your pmp with silicone. There you have your own home made air curtain. Will take you about 2 hours to make give or take depending on the density of the holes you make.




is this something that you have tried? because that seems alittle more macguyver-ish than bubble wands lol




I've done it with my fish tanks before, so it does work the principle for air curtains is exactly the same, a pipe with holes all over it. If you can get bubble wands get them saves you time, saves you effort. If money is a factor or availability then thats an option to go down

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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Doc_T]
    #14387842 - 05/02/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i'm just trying to get away from the SGFC's.. my house is shit for holding humidity and the elevation of the place i'm in makes it even harder.




I've got the same issues, I use an unpowered greenhouse as a humidity tent.
Shotguns and MSGs work great in there. You have room for something like that?




i have an unpowered greenhouse


that currently, all my things sit in. i'm trying to find some way of sitting everything in it and still maintaining humidity.


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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Synocybin]
    #14387855 - 05/02/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I used a Zoo-med hygrotherm for a long time, worked great.
Unlike most electronics, the things is actually designed for the humidity levels we use.
And the option to have temp control is nice, though I used it only 3-4 months out of the year.


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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Doc_T]
    #14387900 - 05/02/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I used a Zoo-med hygrotherm for a long time, worked great.
Unlike most electronics, the things is actually designed for the humidity levels we use.
And the option to have temp control is nice, though I used it only 3-4 months out of the year.




i've been trying to find a way to close the bottom of it, because it just seems like it would be so much less humid than a completely closed greenhouse.

i do have a coolmist that runs 24/7 inside of it and that doesnt help either.

btw, the reason i said that about tubs is this.  I work, ALOT. i dont have the time nor monetary compensation to create 30-40 qt jars of spawn to add 10+ to one tub. nor do i enjoy failure, as none of us do.

but i'm also not going to put soo much of my time, effort and money into something that big.

i enjoy the time honored tradition of KISS...

which is what i try to do and what has always worked. i feel that everytime i try to make myself better in this hobby there is a good 2-3 months that i have literally nothing growing because i'm trying to fix their environment.

i believe i'll be KISS'ing it from now on.


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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Synocybin]
    #14387952 - 05/02/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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shhh...  stop talking.

if i was asking about which would work better i'd have accepted your answer, dont jack my shit to tell me nothing about the question i asked.

i'm trying not to be hostile, but its a sad day when my question in my thread takes a backseat to every other nyoobs shit experience about their only grow.

my last couple grows have been in little tubs spawned to coir, maybe about a 5 qt grow, they worked really well.




I did tell you about what you asked. That you need wands/airstones. You can find them easily.

Noobs shit experience? About their only grow? I've grow everyway you could imagine.

If you don't know the power of monos you must not have done bulk.

Monos are the best priced bulk there is. Anything else requires more power, more equipment, and more bullshit. Anyhow get back to building your PMP.

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Re: Bubble wands [Re: TrustYourSelf]
    #14387996 - 05/02/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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shhh...  stop talking.

if i was asking about which would work better i'd have accepted your answer, dont jack my shit to tell me nothing about the question i asked.

i'm trying not to be hostile, but its a sad day when my question in my thread takes a backseat to every other nyoobs shit experience about their only grow.

my last couple grows have been in little tubs spawned to coir, maybe about a 5 qt grow, they worked really well.




I did tell you about what you asked. That you need wands/airstones. You can find them easily.

Noobs shit experience? About their only grow? I've grow everyway you could imagine.

If you don't know the power of monos you must not have done bulk.

Monos are the best priced bulk there is. Anything else requires more power, more equipment, and more bullshit. Anyhow get back to building your PMP.






7.7 qt minitub PE MS WBS--> Coir

First Flush yielded almost 2oz dry. from just these, imagine a full grow.


Second Flush yielded almost 1.5 oz dry from mostly blobs


Third Flush - 1.5oz dry plus the eighth ounce monster that started the flush






so that being shown, suck my ass. i dont care about mono's.

i'm not in it to grow pounds upon pounds of mushrooms. this is my SIDE HOBBY. almost 100% of my fruits go in the trash can because i dont use them and i most DEFINATLY do NOT sell them.

so you want to tell people to use a mono? go do it in thread where a mono or bulk grow is mentioned in the subject heading and stay the hell outta my threads.


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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Synocybin]
    #14388006 - 05/02/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sucks you got suck low yields.

I don't sell either. I'm a hobbyist.

You said you "dont want to drill holes" and this thread is about "not using bubblewands". What is a PMP without wands/airstones?

I'm just giving you a suggestion dude. You don't have to take it :shrug:

You seemed like you wanted a simple grow hence KISS. In my experience a Mono is very little work/time/money and nice yields.

Anyhow i won't post in your thread buddy, happy growing.

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Re: Bubble wands [Re: TrustYourSelf]
    #14388051 - 05/02/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You said you "dont want to drill holes" and this thread is about "not using bubblewands". What is a PMP without wands/airstones?

I'm just giving you a suggestion dude. You don't have to take it :shrug:

You seemed like you wanted a simple grow hence KISS. In my experience a Mono is very little work/time/money and nice yields.

Anyhow i won't post in your thread buddy, happy growing.




no i dont drill holes in my fruiting chamber, because as much awesome feedback as it gets being a SGFC, i learned years ago that a box full of holes oesnt hold water, and it never has worked for me.

this thread was simply about finding other ways of making something similar to a bubble wand or should i leave and spend money on one.

thats the question.

i'm sorry about all this hostility like i said before, but its just been one of those days today, havent had a ba day in a few weeks but i'm sorry you had to be on the recieving end of it.


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Re: Bubble wands [Re: Synocybin]
    #14388101 - 05/02/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well i believe your questions have been answered already then :smile:

If you have the money buy them,
if you dont do the thing i suggested

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