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mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia)
    #14387120 - 05/02/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what are these?





they are not so bright like on picture

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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: mushmare]
    #14387130 - 05/02/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Very nice pictures, but more information would help: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5731447


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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14387135 - 05/02/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

pan paps

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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: masspan]
    #14387142 - 05/02/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Could you spell that out for those of us who don't have all the nicknames memorized, and/or are new members in other counties?

Please and thank you?


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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: mushmare]
    #14387164 - 05/02/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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pan paps




Yes. Panaeolus papilionaceus. If you look at the ragged edges of the caps especially in the lower left of the first picture it becomes quite obvious.


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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14387170 - 05/02/11 07:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

panaeolus papilionaceus :smile:


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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: masspan]
    #14387191 - 05/02/11 07:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:cheers:


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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14389153 - 05/02/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

really?? they look like panaeolus antillarum to me... they usualy have the thicker stems like that when i find them.. maybe not  :shrug:

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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: SHRAMANN]
    #14389210 - 05/02/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with SHRAMANN.

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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: elprawn]
    #14389233 - 05/02/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Don't pan paps usually have thinner stems?

I know the teeth around the edges are pretty unique, but I'm just curious.


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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: bholzer]
    #14389266 - 05/02/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see the jagged teeth, but does that make them not Panaeolus antillarum?  They're looking rather big and white.

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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: Byrain]
    #14389332 - 05/02/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know, I'm fairly new to ID'ing, I just know the teeth are indicative of pan pap


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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: bholzer]
    #14389338 - 05/02/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm fairly confident they're Pan. ants.

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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: elprawn]
    #14389564 - 05/02/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm fairly confident they're Pan. ants.




I believe you :super: Just trying to learn the ways!


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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: bholzer]
    #14389581 - 05/02/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

To be honest, it's mostly instinct with a lot of my IDs. If you look at lots of pictures of both species, you'll be able to tell they are Pan. ants.

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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: elprawn]
    #14389680 - 05/02/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I was leaning that way at first, because the paps I've seen are much smaller


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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: bholzer]
    #14391496 - 05/02/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the caps on the ant's can get kinda flat like that ive seen them.. especially once they mature.. the paps i tend to find are skinny and brown as opposed to grey.

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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: mushmare]
    #14391871 - 05/02/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have not seen the veil remnants around the cap margin on P. antillarum, and the habit looks wrong for that species.

It doesn't quite look like Panaeolus papilionaceus either, but that is my guess at this time.  It might be some other Panaeolus species that doesn't occur in the US.

There is a Panaeolus key in Gerhardt 1996, but you would need access to a microscope to use it.

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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14393783 - 05/03/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

what about these, same pile








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Re: mushrooms on pile of horse dung (slovenia) [Re: mushmare]
    #14393789 - 05/03/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think I was a bit hasty with the P. antillarum assertion.

If I had to guess those second ones I'd say P. cinctulus. It would only be a guess though.

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