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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14398859 - 05/04/11 08:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kada said: Weapons are instruments of evil, not the instruments of a good ruler. When he uses them unavoidably, he regards calm restraint as the best principle. Even when he is victorious, he does not regard it as praiseworthy, For to praise victory is to delight in the slaughter of men. -Lao Tzu
I love this quote. I thought it fitting in this thread. :P
yeah, it's too bad it's inaccurate, a good ruler wouldnt allow it's people too be conquered and enslaved but the ruler of another land simply because that so called 'good ruler' didnt want to use weapons to defend his people
Yeah your not getting what it means at all.
It doesn't mean not to use them, it means to use them only when it isn't avoidable and as a last resort when all else has failed.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14398894 - 05/04/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting quotes. I never said he didn't believe in violence, everyone does at a certain point. It's just that he accomplished what he did without much use of it. Sometimes when taking on an enemy so large and better equipped it is suicide to fight via conventional methods.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: unam sanctum]
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: unam sanctum]
#14399284 - 05/04/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: Interesting quotes.
quite, there's a great deal of crap people done seem to want to know about the 'nonviolent' resister, things such as his racist attitude and sexual habits
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Sometimes when taking on an enemy so large and better equipped it is suicide to fight via conventional methods.
which is why terrorism takes the face it does
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: PreparationH]
#14399309 - 05/04/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I blame our government for the woes we suffer. Whether or not they had a direct hand in the planes hitting the buildings or not, they caused the events that lead up to it. It was horrible, but not any less horrible for what we are did and continue on doing to other countries and people.
Those people were killed yes and it's sad, but I don't get all patriotic over watching it. I get pissed about the whole damn thing and I blame America's involvement in the invasions, assassinations and murder of thousands and thousands of people for the last 2-3 decades.
We've suffered a drop in the bucket compared to the whole picture. We're still killing them over there. We're killing woman and children and all anyone does is say 9/11 to justify the murder and rape of the middle east. This is about control and money. It always has been.
Our government is tyrannical even to it's own people. I still think our government had a hand in 9/11 so they could justify attacking and controlling the middle east.
We are the aggressors just as much as they are. The collateral damage and lives lost are on our heads as much as these "terrorists" are. I guess half of us are civilized in our thinking and the other half blood thirsty revenge loving sheep.
I'm done in this thread now. Have a happy day.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14399336 - 05/04/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: Interesting quotes.
quite, there's a great deal of crap people done seem to want to know about the 'nonviolent' resister, things such as his racist attitude and sexual habits
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Sometimes when taking on an enemy so large and better equipped it is suicide to fight via conventional methods.
which is why terrorism takes the face it does
1.Everyone has their personal faults preferences, that doesn't change what they did or did not do.
2. I agree, but terrorism's violent and malicious nature by definition is the very reason it isn't working and people even on that side of the fence see that. On top of that it was not half as bad a decade ago (yes I know it existed). And for the most part they have only destroyed their own homelands with it, even if you (not saying you do) think men in caves were responsible for 9/11.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: Kada]
#14399365 - 05/04/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kada said: I blame our government for the woes we suffer. Whether or not they had a direct hand in the planes hitting the buildings or not, they caused the events that lead up to it.
how?
could it have been because we funded bin Laden in the 70s and 80's and then in their fits of rage from having their welfare checks cut off they decided to start attacking us? does this mean the trustafarian should kill his parents when dad tells him to get a job because he'll no longer pay junior's way in life.
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It was horrible, but not any less horrible for what we are did and continue on doing to other countries and people.
you've made these claims before, let's see the evidence of the higher infant mortality rate in afghanistan due to our intervention through the 90s, lets see the historical statistics on birth defects in iraq, the birth defects you claimed were increasing due to depleted uranium munitions
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I blame America's involvement in the invasions, assassinations and murder of thousands and thousands of people for the last 2-3 decades.
again, where's the evidence, we've attacked bin Laden because he's attacked us, do you believe we should just lay there and take it when we're being raped?
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We've suffered a drop in the bucket compared to the whole picture. We're still killing them over there. We're killing woman and children and all anyone does is say 9/11 to justify the murder and rape of the middle east. This is about control and money. It always has been
why can no one understand that bin laden hasnt just popped up one day in 2001 and decided to attack the US, why does no one see past that day, this started well before then, in 1993 bin Laden hit the world trade center, since 1993 he's made dozens of attacks on the US.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: unam sanctum]
#14399383 - 05/04/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: 2. I agree, but terrorism's violent and malicious nature by definition is the very reason it isn't working and people even on that side of the fence see that. On top of that it was not half as bad a decade ago (yes I know it existed). And for the most part they have only destroyed their own homelands with it, even if you (not saying you do) think men in caves were responsible for 9/11.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_United_States_embassy_bombings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
we're finally taking it to them
men in caves... way to spread the propaganda
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14399424 - 05/04/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This isn't conspiracy forum so I won't even go into the US government's probable involvement in every last one of those events. But honestly it's whatever man, the US government just hates giving billions to their friends to research, develop and produce numerous weapons to..."take it to them" Just like they hate having to lock up non-violent drug offenders in the name of freedom. I just don't understand why you argue with everyone. I know you are pretty well informed, but you don't have to use the attitude you do to spread your awareness.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: unam sanctum]
#14399480 - 05/04/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: you don't have to use the attitude you do to spread your awareness.
calm, composed discussion is is exactly what kind of attitude?
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14399489 - 05/04/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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One last thing before I go.
OBAMA just stated he will not release the death photos.
Later guys.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: DeadHearts]
#14399506 - 05/04/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sad I won't see them anytime soon yet it's probably the right decision.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14399513 - 05/04/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kada said: I blame our government for the woes we suffer. Whether or not they had a direct hand in the planes hitting the buildings or not, they caused the events that lead up to it.
how?
could it have been because we funded bin Laden in the 70s and 80's and then in their fits of rage from having their welfare checks cut off they decided to start attacking us? does this mean the trustafarian should kill his parents when dad tells him to get a job because he'll no longer pay junior's way in life.
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It was horrible, but not any less horrible for what we are did and continue on doing to other countries and people.
you've made these claims before, let's see the evidence of the higher infant mortality rate in afghanistan due to our intervention through the 90s, lets see the historical statistics on birth defects in iraq, the birth defects you claimed were increasing due to depleted uranium munitions
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I blame America's involvement in the invasions, assassinations and murder of thousands and thousands of people for the last 2-3 decades.
again, where's the evidence, we've attacked bin Laden because he's attacked us, do you believe we should just lay there and take it when we're being raped?
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We've suffered a drop in the bucket compared to the whole picture. We're still killing them over there. We're killing woman and children and all anyone does is say 9/11 to justify the murder and rape of the middle east. This is about control and money. It always has been
why can no one understand that bin laden hasnt just popped up one day in 2001 and decided to attack the US, why does no one see past that day, this started well before then, in 1993 bin Laden hit the world trade center, since 1993 he's made dozens of attacks on the US.
Your arguments are just as flimsy as mine. At least I try to see the harm done to the other side as well and I don't justify murder.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: DeadHearts]
#14399515 - 05/04/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: OBAMA just stated he will not release the death photos.
that 2 point poll jump this gave obama will now drop by 7
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: Kada]
#14399524 - 05/04/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kada said: Your arguments are just as flimsy as mine. At least I try to see the harm done to the other side as well and I don't justify murder. 
really... so then there's no way I could back up my opposition of your claim that our intervention in afghanistan has increased the infant mortality rate, no effing way that I could prove the rates have dropped and not increased
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14399526 - 05/04/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: OBAMA just stated he will not release the death photos.
that 2 point poll jump this gave obama will now drop by 7
I REALLY want to see them but I think if this gets out to the world the jihadi's will have their martyr to march about with his dead body pictures that the big bad United States took away from them.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14399531 - 05/04/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: you don't have to use the attitude you do to spread your awareness.
calm, composed discussion is is exactly what kind of attitude?
No, that aspect is actually appreciated. It's the other side where you where you hardly ever recognize positively anyone else's opinion (Albeit from what I've seen which probably is not conclusive of your over 130,000 posts). Most people can disagree but still see where someone is coming from, while you only seem able to disagree, and sometimes even put down people's opinions regardless of solid logic or factual basis.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: PreparationH]
#14399534 - 05/04/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: OBAMA just stated he will not release the death photos.
that 2 point poll jump this gave obama will now drop by 7
I REALLY want to see them but I think if this gets out to the world the jihadi's will have their martyr to march about with his dead body pictures that the big bad United States took away from them.
What do you think it says about us when the world watches us celebrate like its new years eve?
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: DeadHearts]
#14399563 - 05/04/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Beats me
Many probably think we're monsters like those in Paksitan crying over their hero meeting his demise, others see we're happy we got the planner of the 9/11 attacks that killed our civilians.
Those Japs actually made a funny video where our troops piss on his dead body, I don't think the majority of earth is too upset people cheered a monsters death.
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Re: Official OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD Thread!!!!!!!!! [Re: unam sanctum]
#14399590 - 05/04/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: you don't have to use the attitude you do to spread your awareness.
calm, composed discussion is is exactly what kind of attitude?
No, that aspect is actually appreciated. It's the other side where you where you hardly ever recognize positively anyone else's opinion (Albeit from what I've seen which probably is not conclusive of your over 130,000 posts). Most people can disagree but still see where someone is coming from, while you only seem able to disagree, and sometimes even put down people's opinions regardless of solid logic or factual basis.
opinion is fine but what I'm doing is asking people to back up their ludicrous claims like how the wars are for oil or DU muntions have caused a spike in birth defects or how americans have made the infant mortality rate in afganistan climb and I'm also dispelling much of that crap because they're trying to present opinion as fact
opinion : I disagree with the war because I think war and killing and death are bad
opinion as fact : I hate america because our actions resulted in the death of 600,000 innocent civilians in iraq and our bombing of afghanistan in the 90s resulted in higher infant death rates
see the difference?
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