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Larrythescaryrex
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First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS. UPDATED
#14385064 - 05/01/11 09:00 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Hello,
In the closing years of the 90's I did several mushroom grows. I used the most basic classic form of the PF tek, which of course included an aquarium, drip shield, inconsistant air exchange, and no light. I got some awesome yeilds, and some grows with NO yeilds whatsoever. Contams were a constant problem.
Finally I have decided to try again. In order to prepare for this I have watched the RR vids, the PDF's of RR's advice, and read many, many posts. However I need peer collaboration as part of my learning style so I hope some of you will walk through this with me. (I am a licensed teacher so I know what I'm talking about here.)
I inoculated five BRF jars enhanced with gympsum and 1/2 strength coffee. The strain was PESA from sporeworks. I left them in a mild light area to colonize. I gave them a whole week to consolidate after they had visibly finished.
I then dunked them for 24 hours and rolled them in verm. they were placed in a 64 Liter clear rubbermaid tote with evenly spaced 1/8 inch holes, 544 in total. I misted and fanned several times a day and of course elevated the FC. The pictures below are from exactly 2 weeks in the fruiting chamber. the temps have been mid 60's mostly but sometimes higher. The cakes have been exposed to a CFL of the correct colour Kelvin since a few days before birth.
About a week into things I got nervous and made a post telling me to mist MORE (at once not more frequently) at which point I began to get pins. As you will see from the pics, the pins almost exclusively are coming from the bottom of the cakes, although some see sizable.
I also added 33% more perlite after the first week, makeing sure the perlite was light, fluffy and up to the five inch level.
here are the pics of the first four cakes. One cake took one week longer to finish and will be discussed shortly. All photos are from most attractive angle.
cake one:
 few fruits but one very sizable one.
Cake two:

Cake three:
 you can see a decent cluster here.
Cake four;
 Doesn't seem to be doing as well, but has fruits spread out a little more than the others.
Cake five took a week longer to colonize. It was treated to same, but it is now pinning, a week sooner than its brothers.
Cake Five:

Please offer any comments. Don't get shitty cause I've never done a shogun tek before. Remember I'm from the stone age.
I think some possible issues include, holes should be 1/4 inch not 1/8 inch. perhaps more perlite could be used, maybe warmer room temps. I could have the tank in an area where it would be more exposed to passive air flow was well. Please look at the pics and offer whatever advice you see fit. I will offer the most polite and helpful responder a print for their trouble.
Also, Doc_T, I value your comments and I apologize publically to being shitty to you over the "Bong" issue, so please feel free to participate. I would rate you a five if I hadn't opted out.
remember, I haven't done this in forever and I need to learn kinesthetically not just by reading so help me out.
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Edited by Larrythescaryrex (05/02/11 08:51 PM)
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385215 - 05/01/11 09:26 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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You got fruits so that good. Looks like low yields.
After running a mono i would never make cakes again. Ever.
Mono is easier & the yield is worth the time.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385313 - 05/01/11 09:37 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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It seems like you updated your technique very successfully, looks good, just a few pointers
Your temps should be a bit higher, in the 72-75 range.
Was the coffee you used spent or fresh? You want to use the spent stuff
Also, was your lighting cycle 12/12?
I don't know who told you to mist more heavily, but a major key to getting pins is to mist lightly and fan so that a small amount of moisture is constantly evaporating from you cake surface. Evaporation is a major pinning trigger.
You mentioned that you think you should have more perlite, but 5" should definitely be sufficient.
There doesnt seem to be an abundance of pins on your cakes, but that could easily be because of genetics (I'm assuming you did an MS inoculation?) Try looking into Grain LCs or agar 
besides those minor details, looks like a successful grow to me
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: MOPE]
#14385342 - 05/01/11 09:41 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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yes, multispore.
also the coffee was prepared and cut with water, not grounds.
I am SURE that the increased misting help because the last cake fruited so much faster. here is the link to the post.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: TrustYourSelf]
#14385346 - 05/01/11 09:42 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Congrats I assume it was a MS, which has varying yields, but like he said, "u got shrooms", so congrats. Make prints so that you can make more cakes or bulk. I do a little of cakes and a little mini bulk, (if that makes sense), & I get some nice shrooms from both. But I do notice that bulk tends to produce more shrooms. Maybe from there being more nutrients, but I cant say for sure. However I have a cake growing now & it is producing the biggest shroom I have ever grown. RR says to add some diluted coffee to your mixture to improve. Keep working & you'll find what works for you. Be very clean. Good Luck & have a nice trip.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: mabachko]
#14385360 - 05/01/11 09:44 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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-------------------- RIP Acidic_Sloth Sunset_Mission said: "larry the scary rex verily scary when thoroughly vexed invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex mercifully massacring memories masterfully relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs" April 24th 2011
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385363 - 05/01/11 09:44 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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what about the hole size 1/8 VS 1/4?
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385398 - 05/01/11 09:50 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
Larrythescaryrex said: yes, multispore.
also the coffee was prepared and cut with water, not grounds.
I am SURE that the increased misting help because the last cake fruited so much faster. here is the link to the post.
yes, I'm sure the increased misting helped, but pins are most likely to show up on surfaces that repeatedly get wet and then dry out. If you mist too heavily the cake surface will get too wet, and won't dry out very fast. This is probably why pins are only really forming at the bottom of your cakes.
I'm saying that you should mist more often but less heavily, you'll get a better pinset.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385413 - 05/01/11 09:51 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Larrythescaryrex said: what about the hole size 1/8 VS 1/4?
yes you should have the 1/4" holes to allow for more FAE, didnt catch that in your first post till now.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385420 - 05/01/11 09:52 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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it looks like they are only growing from the bottom. try increasing the humidity by misting more. congratulations though.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: MOPE]
#14385428 - 05/01/11 09:53 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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so would some additional 1/8 inch holes help? I don't have a bigger drill bit for my dremel and don't want to buy one if I can help it.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385441 - 05/01/11 09:55 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Larrythescaryrex said: so would some additional 1/8 inch holes help? I don't have a bigger drill bit for my dremel and don't want to buy one if I can help it.
probably, but I would just try to bore the holes out to make them a little bigger if I was you and I couldnt get a bigger bit.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: MOPE]
#14385461 - 05/01/11 09:58 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Ok, I'll do that before the next round.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385501 - 05/01/11 10:03 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Larrythescaryrex said: what about the hole size 1/8 VS 1/4?
A 1/4" hole has four times the area of a 1/8" hole so your 544 holes are like about 136, which would be an average of 22 holes per side, which seems a little on the light side.
In terms of area, you would have: (pi(r)^2)number of holes.
(3.14(1/16)^2)544 is about 6.5 square inches of total open space.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Puzzled]
#14385538 - 05/01/11 10:08 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Yes, I thought about that when I made it so I spaced the holes a little closer together than the 2X2. Instead the horizontal holes are 2 inches apart and the vertical ones are only 1.5 inches apart. but that may still not be enough.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385563 - 05/01/11 10:10 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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I didn't do the math, but maybe try boreing every other hole to a 1/4
Edited by mabachko (05/01/11 10:11 PM)
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: mabachko]
#14385604 - 05/01/11 10:14 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Ok.
Doc_t, RR, Somebody with major prestige have any thoughts?
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385889 - 05/01/11 10:53 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Seems like what every one else has said is spot on.
Make a properly constructed SGFC for cakes & you'll have better results next time (hopefully). As in, you used MS, which is always a crap shoot.
Your fruits will be denser but smaller due to the lower temps. Remember cubes are tropical, for the most part, and like high humidity & a bit higher temps (70-74). I keep my fruiting monos @ 72.
Don't worry about light hitting the jars a bit. That's a good thing. I have all my jars & bulk colonizing on a 12/12 schedule w/ a 6500K light. Light during colonization is a good thing. You just don't want your colonizing jars/tubs/whatever in intense direct light.
Water evaporating off of the substrate is the number one pinning trigger. Making sure your perlite is damp & you're fanning your cakes properly will increase pins.
GL buddy, glad to see you're back @ it
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
#14385902 - 05/01/11 10:54 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Riight on man! Looks greaatt, big ass pins for cakes. Ill be watchin'.
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Re: First grow in 12 years. Pleaes critique. WITH PICS [Re: FrequentFryer]
#14386508 - 05/02/11 01:33 AM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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I just wish they were big ass pins all the fuck over the cake.
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