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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: limestoneman]
    #14383862 - 05/01/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well okay you got one example. but what about obama and pot, or how he's forcing everyone to buy health insurance or pay a fine.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14383877 - 05/01/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What about it?


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14383882 - 05/01/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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well okay you got one example. but what about obama and pot, or how he's forcing everyone to buy health insurance or pay a fine.



if Obama didn't have people blocking his efforts he would have FREE healthcare for all and legal weed


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14383933 - 05/01/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

To clarify, I do not hold Obama's failure to legalize weed against him. The drug war is a systematic abuse of American citizens for profit, but it is not Obama's fault. I am not chomping at the bit to endorse a pro-pot candidate when he has such archaic and offensive beliefs about abortion.

As for the health care issue, we should have national health care, period. The only fault I find with the President on this was that he didn't get the public option passed. Other than that though, what is wrong with making an effort towards making health care more accessible?


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14383945 - 05/01/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We knew Ron Paul was badass in 2008. I voted for him. Why didn't he win, which one of you didn't vote for him :ifyoucanawe:


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: SlashOZ]
    #14383948 - 05/01/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Me.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: SlashOZ]
    #14383954 - 05/01/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I voted for Obama :shrug:


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14384056 - 05/01/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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To clarify, I do not hold Obama's failure to legalize weed against him. The drug war is a systematic abuse of American citizens for profit, but it is not Obama's fault. I am not chomping at the bit to endorse a pro-pot candidate when he has such archaic and offensive beliefs about abortion.

As for the health care issue, we should have national health care, period. The only fault I find with the President on this was that he didn't get the public option passed. Other than that though, what is wrong with making an effort towards making health care more accessible?





yea but he won't have a debate about it like how he avoided it on youtube, he just laughed it off.
and if he wanted to he could stop the dea raids like he said he would

and you don't find it fucked up that the government is going to force you to buy something or pay a fine?

5 freedoms lost from healthcare
http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/

and obamacare is modeled after massachusetts health care which has been a failure, never mind the cost of it


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14384062 - 05/01/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

whatever at least its better than nothing


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #14384084 - 05/01/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i don't think socialized medicine modeled after a failure of a health care program is better than nothing


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14384109 - 05/01/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Right, like I said I would prefer a single-payer option like every other civilized industrial nation on earth. And no, I don't find it fucked up that the government can make you buy insurance. We have the same law for auto-insurance, why? Because it is irresponsible not to be insured. If you don't have health insurance and you get treatment that you can't pay for, the taxpayer picks up the tab. If you don't have car insurance and you get in a wreck, the person you hit picks up the tab. Neither of those situations are "fair."

The fact is that the republican party is a collective of racists, corporate whores, and plutocrats who think that it is more important to ban abortion and cut social services for the poor than it is to raise taxes on millionaires. The fact that Ron Paul associates with these scumbags should tell you something about his character.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14384133 - 05/01/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

woohoo im going to  vote for him :smile:


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: hippielauren]
    #14384140 - 05/01/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're going to write in Ron Paul? Good for you.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14384144 - 05/01/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If you don't have health insurance and you get treatment that you can't pay for, the taxpayer picks up the tab.




only for the emergency room which still won't change after this passes because of the previous that passed on that issue. but even so, the costs of health care will go up and competition will be lowered between companies which means increased costs. so what the taxpayer pays now won't compare to later on.

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# Health care costs continue to rise much faster than the national average. Since 2006, total state health care spending has increased by 28 percent. Insurance premiums have increased by 8–10 percent per year, nearly double the national average.

# New regulations and bureaucracy are limiting consumer choice and adding to health care costs.
# Program costs have skyrocketed. Despite tax increases, the program faces huge deficits. The state is considering caps on insurance premiums, cuts in reimbursements to providers, and even the possibility of a "global budget" on health care spending—with its attendant rationing.
# A shortage of providers, combined with increased demand, is increasing waiting times to see a physician.



http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10268

this is what happened in massachusetts, the blueprint for obamas healthcare.

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The fact that Ron Paul associates with these scumbags should tell you something about his character




just because he's in the same party doesn't mean he associates with them. he frequently criticizes his own party and goes against many things that they support.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14384169 - 05/01/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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just because he's in the same party doesn't mean he associates with them. he frequently criticizes his own party and goes against many things that they support.




Except for being anti-choice. He's lockstep with that policy.


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Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14384171 - 05/01/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Obama 2012

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Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14384184 - 05/01/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Obama 2012




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Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #14384185 - 05/01/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Obama 2012




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Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14384195 - 05/01/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)








I've used this thing so much lately lolllll

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Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14384219 - 05/01/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've used this thing so much lately lolllll




Hahah that is one of the better ones...

But nah I ain't mad.  I'll say it again- the president only has limited power over the economic forces that be.  I'm not even positive that Ron Paul could make a dent in the system, but he wouldn't go down on his knees for them like Obama and every other recent president.

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