Home | Community | Message Board

Out-Grow.com - Mushroom Growing Kits & Supplies
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13  [ show all ]
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Does Ron Paul have a chance?
    #14383283 - 05/01/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Does Ron Paul have a chance to get voted in by the mainstream and enough of the underground?


Ether way he is in his 70's so I think this is his last shot.

:ronpaul: :potleaf:


Edited by skatealex2 (05/01/11 03:45 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDevlish2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 3,641
Loc: The Astral Realm 16,376AD
Last seen: 11 years, 1 month
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #14383306 - 05/01/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ron Paul WILL win!


--------------------
[]
Space is the place


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: Devlish2]
    #14383309 - 05/01/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I fucking hope so


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCoaster
Baʿal
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/22/06
Posts: 33,501
Loc: Deep in the Valley
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #14383332 - 05/01/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefbi365
Captain of the Sinking Ship
Male


Registered: 02/07/11
Posts: 2,857
Loc: Nowhere
Last seen: 4 months, 10 days
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #14383352 - 05/01/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No chance.  Sorry


--------------------




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offline28064212
Special Agent Dale Cooper
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/15/11
Posts: 12,115
Loc: Twin Peaks
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14383385 - 05/01/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I hope so. :stoner::shroomin::stoner:
:ronpaul:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesporesmores420
SillyPsybin
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/01/10
Posts: 829
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: fbi365] * 1
    #14383387 - 05/01/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i took a online poll a bit ago and his name was in it so thats a good sign.  Im vetoing for ron paul i mean fuck hes gona legalize it, how bad could it be.  i encourage everyone to go out and vote for ron paul this will be the year lets hear the uprising.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: sporesmores420] * 1
    #14383431 - 05/01/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah man! Don't fall for those guys siphoning Pauls points!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelimestoneman
The Return
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/09/11
Posts: 1,997
Loc: Middle TN Flag
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: teknix]
    #14383456 - 05/01/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Something tells me that if Ron Paul goes in to office, some far right extremist organization will kill him. We can't have nice things in America. It is our duty as Americans to pretend to enjoy the governmental shaft in our ass like obedient sluts.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDevlish2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 3,641
Loc: The Astral Realm 16,376AD
Last seen: 11 years, 1 month
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: limestoneman]
    #14383479 - 05/01/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

limestoneman said:
Something tells me that if Ron Paul goes in to office, some far right extremist organization will kill him.




Fuck that.


--------------------
[]
Space is the place


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefbi365
Captain of the Sinking Ship
Male


Registered: 02/07/11
Posts: 2,857
Loc: Nowhere
Last seen: 4 months, 10 days
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: limestoneman]
    #14383495 - 05/01/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Marijuana was outlawed by Congress.  Congress must de-criminalize it.  It has little to do with the President other than he has the power of the bully pulpit and he signs it into law.  The "legalize it" bit is just political pandering for your vote.--Some Political Science 101 for ya :wink:


--------------------




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleunam sanctum
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/20/11
Posts: 6,702
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: fbi365]
    #14383584 - 05/01/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

fbi365 said:
Marijuana was outlawed by Congress.  Congress must de-criminalize it.  It has little to do with the President other than he has the power of the bully pulpit and he signs it into law.  The "legalize it" bit is just political pandering for your vote.--Some Political Science 101 for ya :wink:




Maybe but if presidents have been proving anything lately, it's that they can do what the fuck they please son....


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesporesmores420
SillyPsybin
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/01/10
Posts: 829
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14383615 - 05/01/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no he can sign it into a law since its a war on drugs and he get extra power when we go to war thats y bush went to iraq and then made all those 911 laws like phonetaping and shit.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14383657 - 05/01/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I give him about a 10% chance of getting the nomination, if he gets that I give him a 40% chance of beating Obama.

I hope he doesn't get elected. I don't want anyone in office who is so anti-choice.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefbi365
Captain of the Sinking Ship
Male


Registered: 02/07/11
Posts: 2,857
Loc: Nowhere
Last seen: 4 months, 10 days
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14383702 - 05/01/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

unam sanctum said:
Quote:

fbi365 said:
Marijuana was outlawed by Congress.  Congress must de-criminalize it.  It has little to do with the President other than he has the power of the bully pulpit and he signs it into law.  The "legalize it" bit is just political pandering for your vote.--Some Political Science 101 for ya :wink:




Maybe but if presidents have been proving anything lately, it's that they can do what the fuck they please son....




there's still a constitution that says presidents cannot do whatever they please.  That is arguable the number one reason we have it.


--------------------




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebigmike7104
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 07/12/10
Posts: 1,395
Loc: USA Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14383754 - 05/01/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
I give him about a 10% chance of getting the nomination, if he gets that I give him a 40% chance of beating Obama.

I hope he doesn't get elected. I don't want anyone in office who is so anti-choice.




:lolwut:

he's a liberatarian leaning republican how is he anti-choice, especially compared to obummer.


--------------------
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemasterharf
Stranger
Male


Registered: 11/09/10
Posts: 615
Loc: Michigan
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14383783 - 05/01/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

anti choice? dis nigga ron paul is all about choice. homie favors a less powerful federal government, while leaving the extremely tough social choices, like smoking buds, up to the states. ron paul is basically just a lazy ass bitch because he wants to give a lot of the power away from the position he is running for. nigga ron paul is running for president for the wrong reasons. a real president would never want a weak federal government.

i mean seriously, what a bitch. he's probably a fucking stoner.


--------------------
harf


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad_Larkin

Registered: 11/29/07
Posts: 18,606
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14383794 - 05/01/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry to say that Trump has more chance of becoming president, and I firmly believe that foreskin-faced fucker is the Antichrist.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14383820 - 05/01/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

bigmike7104 said:
Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
I give him about a 10% chance of getting the nomination, if he gets that I give him a 40% chance of beating Obama.

I hope he doesn't get elected. I don't want anyone in office who is so anti-choice.




:lolwut:

he's a liberatarian leaning republican how is he anti-choice, especially compared to obummer.




I'll let Ron Paul explain it to you

"Abortion on demand is the ultimate State tyranny; the State simply declares that certain classes of human beings are not persons, and therefore not entitled to the protection of the law. The State protects the "right" of some people to kill others, just as the courts protected the "property rights" of slave masters in their slaves. Moreover, by this method the State achieves a goal common to all totalitarian regimes: it sets us against each other, so that our energies are spent in the struggle between State-created classes, rather than in freeing all individuals from the State. Unlike Nazi Germany, which forcibly sent millions to the gas chambers (as well as forcing abortion and sterilization upon many more), the new regime has enlisted the assistance of millions of people to act as its agents in carrying out a program of mass murder."

Equating abortion to mass murder. There you have it.

All you Ron Paul acolytes should take a look at the actual policies he espouses. It's great that he wants to legalize pot, hooray, but at what cost? Everybody just gets all wet in their panties because he'll openly say that weed should be legal, but he's also a racist and anti-choice. Just another old white man who thinks he knows what is best for a woman's uterus.

Fuck Ron Paul


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelimestoneman
The Return
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/09/11
Posts: 1,997
Loc: Middle TN Flag
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14383835 - 05/01/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Mad_Larkin said:
foreskin-faced fucker



:rofl:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebigmike7104
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 07/12/10
Posts: 1,395
Loc: USA Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: limestoneman]
    #14383862 - 05/01/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well okay you got one example. but what about obama and pot, or how he's forcing everyone to buy health insurance or pay a fine.


--------------------
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14383877 - 05/01/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What about it?


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCoaster
Baʿal
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/22/06
Posts: 33,501
Loc: Deep in the Valley
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14383882 - 05/01/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

bigmike7104 said:
well okay you got one example. but what about obama and pot, or how he's forcing everyone to buy health insurance or pay a fine.



if Obama didn't have people blocking his efforts he would have FREE healthcare for all and legal weed


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14383933 - 05/01/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

To clarify, I do not hold Obama's failure to legalize weed against him. The drug war is a systematic abuse of American citizens for profit, but it is not Obama's fault. I am not chomping at the bit to endorse a pro-pot candidate when he has such archaic and offensive beliefs about abortion.

As for the health care issue, we should have national health care, period. The only fault I find with the President on this was that he didn't get the public option passed. Other than that though, what is wrong with making an effort towards making health care more accessible?


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSlashOZ
:D
Male


Registered: 10/20/06
Posts: 3,557
Loc: Following the water cycle
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14383945 - 05/01/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We knew Ron Paul was badass in 2008. I voted for him. Why didn't he win, which one of you didn't vote for him :ifyoucanawe:


--------------------
"Life sucks but in this really beautiful way" - Axl Rose
"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
"Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: SlashOZ]
    #14383948 - 05/01/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Me.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCoaster
Baʿal
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/22/06
Posts: 33,501
Loc: Deep in the Valley
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: SlashOZ]
    #14383954 - 05/01/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I voted for Obama :shrug:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebigmike7104
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 07/12/10
Posts: 1,395
Loc: USA Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14384056 - 05/01/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
To clarify, I do not hold Obama's failure to legalize weed against him. The drug war is a systematic abuse of American citizens for profit, but it is not Obama's fault. I am not chomping at the bit to endorse a pro-pot candidate when he has such archaic and offensive beliefs about abortion.

As for the health care issue, we should have national health care, period. The only fault I find with the President on this was that he didn't get the public option passed. Other than that though, what is wrong with making an effort towards making health care more accessible?





yea but he won't have a debate about it like how he avoided it on youtube, he just laughed it off.
and if he wanted to he could stop the dea raids like he said he would

and you don't find it fucked up that the government is going to force you to buy something or pay a fine?

5 freedoms lost from healthcare
http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/

and obamacare is modeled after massachusetts health care which has been a failure, never mind the cost of it


--------------------
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCoaster
Baʿal
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/22/06
Posts: 33,501
Loc: Deep in the Valley
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14384062 - 05/01/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

whatever at least its better than nothing


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebigmike7104
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 07/12/10
Posts: 1,395
Loc: USA Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Coaster] * 1
    #14384084 - 05/01/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i don't think socialized medicine modeled after a failure of a health care program is better than nothing


--------------------
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14384109 - 05/01/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Right, like I said I would prefer a single-payer option like every other civilized industrial nation on earth. And no, I don't find it fucked up that the government can make you buy insurance. We have the same law for auto-insurance, why? Because it is irresponsible not to be insured. If you don't have health insurance and you get treatment that you can't pay for, the taxpayer picks up the tab. If you don't have car insurance and you get in a wreck, the person you hit picks up the tab. Neither of those situations are "fair."

The fact is that the republican party is a collective of racists, corporate whores, and plutocrats who think that it is more important to ban abortion and cut social services for the poor than it is to raise taxes on millionaires. The fact that Ron Paul associates with these scumbags should tell you something about his character.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehippielauren
Fuxed Up
Female


Registered: 05/09/10
Posts: 1,034
Loc: Flag
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14384133 - 05/01/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

woohoo im going to  vote for him :smile:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: hippielauren]
    #14384140 - 05/01/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You're going to write in Ron Paul? Good for you.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebigmike7104
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 07/12/10
Posts: 1,395
Loc: USA Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14384144 - 05/01/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

If you don't have health insurance and you get treatment that you can't pay for, the taxpayer picks up the tab.




only for the emergency room which still won't change after this passes because of the previous that passed on that issue. but even so, the costs of health care will go up and competition will be lowered between companies which means increased costs. so what the taxpayer pays now won't compare to later on.

Quote:

# Health care costs continue to rise much faster than the national average. Since 2006, total state health care spending has increased by 28 percent. Insurance premiums have increased by 8–10 percent per year, nearly double the national average.

# New regulations and bureaucracy are limiting consumer choice and adding to health care costs.
# Program costs have skyrocketed. Despite tax increases, the program faces huge deficits. The state is considering caps on insurance premiums, cuts in reimbursements to providers, and even the possibility of a "global budget" on health care spending—with its attendant rationing.
# A shortage of providers, combined with increased demand, is increasing waiting times to see a physician.



http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10268

this is what happened in massachusetts, the blueprint for obamas healthcare.

Quote:

The fact that Ron Paul associates with these scumbags should tell you something about his character




just because he's in the same party doesn't mean he associates with them. he frequently criticizes his own party and goes against many things that they support.


--------------------
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14384169 - 05/01/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

just because he's in the same party doesn't mean he associates with them. he frequently criticizes his own party and goes against many things that they support.




Except for being anti-choice. He's lockstep with that policy.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePreparationH
apply daily


Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 18,306
Loc: Amsterdam
Last seen: 13 hours, 42 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14384171 - 05/01/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Obama 2012


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14384184 - 05/01/11 06:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PreparationH said:
Obama 2012




QFT


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleunam sanctum
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/20/11
Posts: 6,702
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #14384185 - 05/01/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PreparationH said:
Obama 2012




:thumbdown:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePreparationH
apply daily


Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 18,306
Loc: Amsterdam
Last seen: 13 hours, 42 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14384195 - 05/01/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)








I've used this thing so much lately lolllll


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleunam sanctum
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/20/11
Posts: 6,702
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14384219 - 05/01/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PreparationH said:







I've used this thing so much lately lolllll




Hahah that is one of the better ones...

But nah I ain't mad.  I'll say it again- the president only has limited power over the economic forces that be.  I'm not even positive that Ron Paul could make a dent in the system, but he wouldn't go down on his knees for them like Obama and every other recent president.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14384237 - 05/01/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Which is also why he won't come close to getting elected.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePreparationH
apply daily


Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 18,306
Loc: Amsterdam
Last seen: 13 hours, 42 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14384248 - 05/01/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If it was between Paul and Obama... I don't know really, I like Barrack... I like Ron... it'd be a good year for politics


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStatuesCryBleeding
Mycology Enthusiast


Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 450
Loc: The Great White North Flag
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14384260 - 05/01/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck I hate being Canadian.... we have no one good to vote for. The concervatives like sucking bushes dick and the ´liberals´ are more conservative than some of your hard nosed republicans. On the other side of the scale, the NDP is way too socialist. *sigh*.. I hate canadian politics.

I might just get a dual citicenship, if only to vote for Ron Paul... Hell, I think every Canadian should get to vote in the American elections, they practically run our country more than our own leaders do....

*dont mean to derail this topic*


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisible4HO-DMT
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/11/11
Posts: 5,073
Loc: County Line Road
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14384267 - 05/01/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think Ron Paul looks kinda like Timothy Leary.  Like he could be his little brother or something.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleunam sanctum
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/20/11
Posts: 6,702
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: StatuesCryBleeding]
    #14384289 - 05/01/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

StatuesCryBleeding said:
Fuck I hate being Canadian....




Shut it. :tongue:  At least the rest of the world likes you all (if only a little more).  It's fucked that people think America is even a true democracy because I swear our last 2(if not 4) elections have been hijacked.  But the real issue is people, even intelligent ones, see it as left vs. right, conservative vs. liberal- without realizing that money controls every aspect of everything and the corporations will sponsor any candidate, from any party, as long as they think they'll be able to control him/her on the important votes.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStatuesCryBleeding
Mycology Enthusiast


Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 450
Loc: The Great White North Flag
Last seen: 10 years, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14384308 - 05/01/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

unam sanctum said:
Quote:

StatuesCryBleeding said:
Fuck I hate being Canadian....




Shut it. :tongue:  At least the rest of the world likes you all (if only a little more).  It's fucked that people think America is even a true democracy because I swear our last 2(if not 4) elections have been hijacked.  But the real issue is people, even intelligent ones, see it as left vs. right, conservative vs. liberal- without realizing that money controls every aspect of everything and the corporations will sponsor any candidate, from any party, as long as they think they'll be able to control him/her on the important votes.




Ahh but my friend, Canada is nothing more than a apathetic version of the states. The world only notices how shitty America is because people actually stand up to your politicians and call out your greedy corporate fat cats. Here, weŕe just to damn polite to say anything.



You have over zealous redknecks in the southern states, we have over zealous redknecks in alberta. You have liberal doushtards in california and new york, we have overly liiberal doushtards in Toronto. You have mexicans, we have asians.


Canada <-----> America


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleunam sanctum
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/20/11
Posts: 6,702
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: StatuesCryBleeding]
    #14384347 - 05/01/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lol, Alas I can't disagree. I means I don't know, but I believe you.  The whole planet seems to be fucking itself these days solely for greed and ego.  I for one say we produce/import less oil and more shrooms!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineelectricfeel
wild wallflower
Female

Registered: 05/19/10
Posts: 554
Loc: sinking into the center
Last seen: 7 months, 17 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14384430 - 05/01/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:

I'll let Ron Paul explain it to you

"Abortion on demand is the ultimate State tyranny; the State simply declares that certain classes of human beings are not persons, and therefore not entitled to the protection of the law. The State protects the "right" of some people to kill others, just as the courts protected the "property rights" of slave masters in their slaves. Moreover, by this method the State achieves a goal common to all totalitarian regimes: it sets us against each other, so that our energies are spent in the struggle between State-created classes, rather than in freeing all individuals from the State. Unlike Nazi Germany, which forcibly sent millions to the gas chambers (as well as forcing abortion and sterilization upon many more), the new regime has enlisted the assistance of millions of people to act as its agents in carrying out a program of mass murder."

Equating abortion to mass murder. There you have it.

All you Ron Paul acolytes should take a look at the actual policies he espouses. It's great that he wants to legalize pot, hooray, but at what cost? Everybody just gets all wet in their panties because he'll openly say that weed should be legal, but he's also a racist and anti-choice. Just another old white man who thinks he knows what is best for a woman's uterus.

Fuck Ron Paul










Yeahhhhhhh........

I don't even know where to begin with this. First of all, you can not get away with saying that Ron Paul is anti-choice.

His view on abortion legalization is strictly that individual states get to make that decision. Every time he's asked whether he will make abortion legal or illegal, he says that it is not the federal governments role to make that law, it is in the STATES power, so he will leave it up to them. Any power not specifically classified as a federal power, (including abortion), is classified as a  "reserved power" under the Constitution, which by default are given up to the states. Sure he may have his own views on abortion, (views that are NOT being accurately represented with a short quote taken completely out of context), but Ron Paul explains and acknowledges this, and has declared many times that he will make no federal laws regarding abortion.


Ron Paul is ALL about personal choice and personal freedom, and as much of it as fucking possible. But first and foremost, he is all about the Constitution. Creating and maintaining a TRUE, HONEST government that has nothing to hide. But for this reason, he will unfortunately never get elected. The media controls who is president, and it will forever end up being the person who will best suit the interests of the CIA and others behind the scenes to do their fucked up things. I mean, Ron Paul has openly stated that he wants to ABOLISH the CIA. There are many factors that will never let this happen.

If I vote, I WILL vote for him though.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14384630 - 05/01/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PreparationH said:
Obama 2012




:suicide:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: electricfeel]
    #14384636 - 05/01/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:


I don't even know where to begin with this. First of all, you can not get away with saying that Ron Paul is anti-choice.





Really? I can't get away with saying a factual statement?

"I have a Bill in congress I certainly would promote and push as president, called the Sanctity of Life Amendment. We establish the principle that life begins at conception. And someone says, ‘oh why are you saying that?’ and I say, ‘well, that’s not a political statement -- that’s a scientific statement that I’m making!"

Ron Paul is anti-choice. That is a demonstrable fact. Just because he believes that abortion should not be banned at a federal level does not mean that he is opposed to abortion being banned. All of this can be found out by a simple google search, or in Ron Paul's wikipedia page. But don't let me in any way cloud your vision of the constituional savior. "If" you vote (there shouldn't even be a question here, you should always vote), you would do well to examine the candidates on a factual basis. Ron Paul has some admirable positions, true. He has a firmer grasp of the constitutional limits of government than most candidates do. He's for ending the drug war. Both of these are great, but do a little digging. Under the bright sunny surface of gleaming libertarianism, there are some ugly truths about Ron Paul.

But don't let the truth get in the way of your beliefs, just like the rest of the republican party :thumbup:


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefbi365
Captain of the Sinking Ship
Male


Registered: 02/07/11
Posts: 2,857
Loc: Nowhere
Last seen: 4 months, 10 days
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14385321 - 05/01/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Doesn't matter now. The u.s. Killed Osama. Reelection guaranteed...  Sorry paulists...


--------------------




Edited by fbi365 (05/01/11 09:39 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: fbi365]
    #14385381 - 05/01/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:lol:

Baller


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePreparationH
apply daily


Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 18,306
Loc: Amsterdam
Last seen: 13 hours, 42 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14385417 - 05/01/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Like I said,Obama 2012.  Can't wait to be a United States Marine.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehello_im_alex
Stranger

Registered: 02/24/09
Posts: 97
Last seen: 10 years, 1 month
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #14385662 - 05/01/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if i were american, ron paul would definitely have my vote. obama's a lying bastard. trump is a clown. ron paul is your only hope.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLed Zeppelin
Tripper


Registered: 05/17/10
Posts: 3,962
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14385686 - 05/01/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
I give him about a 10% chance of getting the nomination, if he gets that I give him a 40% chance of beating Obama.

I hope he doesn't get elected. I don't want anyone in office who is so anti-choice.





HAHAHAHAHHA like abortion is a bigger issue than the fucking economy HAHAHAHAH.
and if you knew ANYTHING about ron paul ud know that he said he would let the states choose their own abortion laws even though he personally is against abortion. and obviously he is against abortion because he has delivered so 1000s of babies in his lifetime.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMaverick
Lover of Earwigs!
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 12/18/05
Posts: 13,437
Loc: Valleys of Willamette Flag
Last seen: 10 hours, 11 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #14385696 - 05/01/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He has no chance, but I'm still going to vote for him.  If that doesn't work and the republican party still wants me to vote for 'em they can shove my boot up their ass.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibled0urd3n
Just call me "D"


Registered: 09/15/10
Posts: 5,237
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Maverick]
    #14385728 - 05/01/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nope.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehello_im_alex
Stranger

Registered: 02/24/09
Posts: 97
Last seen: 10 years, 1 month
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: d0urd3n] * 1
    #14385757 - 05/01/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



Ron Paul = Epic Winning


Edited by hello_im_alex (05/01/11 10:34 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebigmike7104
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 07/12/10
Posts: 1,395
Loc: USA Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Led Zeppelin] * 1
    #14385914 - 05/01/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Led Zeppelin said:
Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
I give him about a 10% chance of getting the nomination, if he gets that I give him a 40% chance of beating Obama.

I hope he doesn't get elected. I don't want anyone in office who is so anti-choice.





HAHAHAHAHHA like abortion is a bigger issue than the fucking economy HAHAHAHAH.
and if you knew ANYTHING about ron paul ud know that he said he would let the states choose their own abortion laws even though he personally is against abortion. and obviously he is against abortion because he has delivered so 1000s of babies in his lifetime.




even if he did want laws enacted against abortion, how would he be able to with the roe vs wade decision. and about the economy, exactly, we need to get the democrats out who love spending and big government


--------------------
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14385957 - 05/01/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Democrats love spending and big government, do you get all of your talking points from Fox? And all you Paulites should know this, one of the powers granted to the President is the appointment of supreme court justices. Who would have the ability to affect the constitutionality of abortion in the future? The anti-choice justices that Ron Paul would appoint.

But lets be honest. 90% of you aren't going to vote anyway. If you do vote, it'll be in the final presidential election and not in the primaries.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePreparationH
apply daily


Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 18,306
Loc: Amsterdam
Last seen: 13 hours, 42 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14385981 - 05/01/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The death of Bin Laden just helped the Dems that much more, gooooood luck GOP.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesporesmores420
SillyPsybin
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/01/10
Posts: 829
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14386002 - 05/01/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ron paul is a rapist.... but he wants to legalize it so he has my vote.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelimestoneman
The Return
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/09/11
Posts: 1,997
Loc: Middle TN Flag
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14387429 - 05/02/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PreparationH said:
Like I said,Obama 2012.  Can't wait to be a United States Marine.



Hahaha, you don't know what you're in for boy. Take it from a vet, you'll either regret it within a year in the fleet or you'll turn into a huge douchebag.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePreparationH
apply daily


Registered: 03/28/05
Posts: 18,306
Loc: Amsterdam
Last seen: 13 hours, 42 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: limestoneman]
    #14387455 - 05/02/11 08:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:shrug: All my friends love it, my buddy just reenlisted too.  I always hear horror stories from people over the internet but all my buddies in RL keep enlisting and telling me it's tough but they wouldn't change what they've done.  Also, here at my school there are veterans that are getting their degree now who many say it was the best decision of their lives.  What did you dislike so much?


There is this ONE guy I know though that is a douche bag veteran but he was probably a douche bag before the marines


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMad_Larkin

Registered: 11/29/07
Posts: 18,606
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14387461 - 05/02/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

sporesmores420 said:
Ron paul is a rapist.... but he wants to legalize it so he has my vote.




:lolwut:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAbstraKt_I_Am


Registered: 12/21/10
Posts: 1,898
Loc: Abroad.
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14387543 - 05/02/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

PreparationH said:
:shrug: All my friends love it, my buddy just reenlisted too.  I always hear horror stories from people over the internet but all my buddies in RL keep enlisting and telling me it's tough but they wouldn't change what they've done.  Also, here at my school there are veterans that are getting their degree now who many say it was the best decision of their lives.  What did you dislike so much?


There is this ONE guy I know though that is a douche bag veteran but he was probably a douche bag before the marines



It depends. Some like it some don't. I can't speak for the marines, but I had a bunch of friends in hs join the army.. most got out within a year but the one or two people I've met who stayed within aren't the same.. in a sad way. They are like clones. Uptight and almost stripped of the personas they had back in hs. But from what I hear that's what part of militia life is... hours of training and drills to break you down of who you are to build you up into the person they want... can't speak for marines.. actually I've met two who weren't really like the army jar heads. A lot more down to earth... holy shit.. I'm high and rambling again. Gl tho


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14391017 - 05/02/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ron Paul's f-d.  :syringe:  :fawkes:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebugabuga420
bUgAbUgaBOO


Registered: 07/18/02
Posts: 488
Last seen: 6 years, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14414893 - 05/07/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
but he's also a racist and anti-choice. Just another old white man who thinks he knows what is best for a woman's uterus.

Fuck Ron Paul





Ron Paul is not a racist. Being racist is being a collectivist, where libertarian philosophy is all about being a individualist. Ron Paul has talked on this many times, and all the racist remarks about Ron Paul have been cleared a long time ago. Even the NAACP has made statements affirming Ron Paul is not racist.

Yes Ron Paul is just another white man who thinks he knows what best for a woman's uterus. Maybe just maybe that might be cause he is an OB/GYN trained at one of the best medical schools in the country and delivered over 4000 babies in his career. Instead of you calling him anti-choice, lets just call you anti-life. A obstetricians job and mission is to protect the unborn/newborns life. So once again as we have seen time and time before, Ron Paul is the most consistent politician in America.

With all the shit that is going on in this country, you want to make the debate over the single issue of fucking abortion. Being against the drug war, to me is the perfect metric to measure whether someone believes in personal freedom and liberty or not. He is by far the best candidate out right now and has the best shot of anyone to beat Obama.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offline28064212
Special Agent Dale Cooper
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/15/11
Posts: 12,115
Loc: Twin Peaks
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bugabuga420]
    #14416015 - 05/07/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: 28064212]
    #14416335 - 05/07/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:


Yes Ron Paul is just another white man who thinks he knows what best for a woman's uterus. Maybe just maybe that might be cause he is an OB/GYN trained at one of the best medical schools in the country and delivered over 4000 babies in his career. Instead of you calling him anti-choice, lets just call you anti-life. A obstetricians job and mission is to protect the unborn/newborns life. So once again as we have seen time and time before, Ron Paul is the most consistent politician in America.




My issue with Ron Paul's stance on abortion is that if abortion is not federally protected, we will wind up with a lot of states that will ban it outright. That means that in those states, we will have women having unsafe abortions in an illegal environment. His insistence on "protecting the unborn" completely disregards the safety of the presently living! Young, poor, or single pregnant women will be victimized by this policy. It sets a scary precedent. South Dakota wanted to legalize the murder of abortion doctors. Would president Paul shrug and say "state's rights?" States could impose laws that retroactively incriminate abortion doctors for capital murder, making them face life sentences or the death penalty. Would president Paul say "state's rights?"

I believe that it is the federal government's duty to protect all citizens. I believe that this is what the Constitution mandates. I believe that Ron Paul does not agree with this. He is so concerned about whether or not having paper money is constitutional that he is forgetting that the federal government exists to ensure that all Americans can have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

But, you know, he thinks weed should be legal so hooray! Lets not worry about libertarian principles eroding the safety nets that other industrial nations protect. Lets not worry about the poor, what's really important is whether it is constitutional to provide them with health care. Libertarianism is close to Ayn Rand's principle of "every man for himself." It is not a good way to build a community, and not a good foundation for a nation.

Fucking druggies, give em a whiff of some kind bud and that's all they can think about.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleShins
Fun guy
Male User Gallery


Registered: 09/15/04
Posts: 16,337
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14416354 - 05/07/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

My issue with Ron Paul's stance on abortion is that if abortion is not federally protected, we will wind up with a lot of states that will ban it outright.




That you for your well informed reply!

I'm glad that you're informed enough to know that that Ron Paul wants to leave it up to the states and that his personal opinion is irrelevant.


You also make a great point here about some states potentially banning it etc.

but isn't that more democratic?  shouldn't states be able to do that if they want? you don;t have to live in that state, and you could potentially go to another state to get an abortion.


--------------------
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinescienceguy
Instrument
Male


Registered: 11/27/09
Posts: 1,983
Loc: One Mile High... Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Shins]
    #14416365 - 05/07/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The choices that states have to create environments they condone also allows states to legalize drugs.  I'm guessing that the states that are okay with drugs aren't going to frown on abortions.


Just do your homework, and understand that you have the freedom to choose where you want to live.


--------------------
"Freedom starts between the ears."

Edward Abbey


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: scienceguy]
    #14416376 - 05/07/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:


but isn't that more democratic?  shouldn't states be able to do that if they want? you don;t have to live in that state, and you could potentially go to another state to get an abortion.




Yes and no, and this goes back to the old arguments of Federalism. My opinion is that the national government is responsible for ensuring certain rights for citizens of all states. I believe that abortion should be one of those protected rights, hell, I believe that there should be a constitutional amendment protecting that right. When you remove power from the federal government (which, remember, is democratically elected) you open up avenues for states to pass legislation that can abuse some of their own citizens. Take slavery, if it was not constitutionally banned, I am certain that there would be states with legal slavery.

Additionally it is often impossible for people to leave the states they are living in. This is especially true for women who would seek abortions based on economic reasons. If you don't have enough money to raise a kid, it is unlikely you have enough money to emigrate. As for simply driving out of state to get the procedure, who's to say that more conservative states won't pass laws to prevent this, or to punish women who go through this.

But this is why I'm not a libertarian. I'm a social democrat. I'm all for big government so long as its primary duties are providing for the protection and welfare for all citizens equally. There are large segments of the population who do not believe that certain citizens deserve such protections, and libertarian anti-federalism exposes these certain citizens to abuse.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebigmike7104
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 07/12/10
Posts: 1,395
Loc: USA Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14419410 - 05/08/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

In a hypothetical match-up between Paul and Obama, Obama beats Paul by only seven percentage points (52 to 45 percent). Meanwhile, Obama bests former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee by eight points, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney by 11 points, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich by 17 points, former Alaska Governor and vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin by 19 points, and Trump by a whopping 22 points. (The poll, by the way, was taken April 29 – May 1



http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7382-cnn-poll-ron-paul-stands-best-chance-against-obama

sweet, and he's tied for second in new hampshire.


--------------------
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineShiVersblood
VAmPiRES HELLA ❤
I'm a teapot User Gallery

Registered: 08/18/07
Posts: 115,620
Loc: United States of America Flag
Last seen: 1 day, 1 hour
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14419492 - 05/08/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't vote Republican.


--------------------
Retiro Equipaje. Mas uno por favor Cerveza, es mas fina. Psalm 706:6


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #14419496 - 05/08/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ShiVersblood said:
I don't vote Republican.




quoted for the motha fuckin truth.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14419539 - 05/08/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:facepalm: he's not your typical GOP! what dont people understand about this? Dont group him with all the other godloving, shoving their morals down your throat, very interventionist douchies that rep the GOP.

He is a true fiscal conservative. If you want to fix our debt problem listen to him! everyone else wans to cut NPR and planned parent hood which are like 0.005% of defense but not cut defense at all! He is the only one of and for the people.

you guys will regret not voting for him if we get stuck with another douchbag change nothing president for the next 4 years


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14419562 - 05/08/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I will absolutely not regret not voting for someone who will gut social programs


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Edited by Gastronomicus (05/08/11 02:42 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14419694 - 05/08/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

cant tell sarcasm over the internet.

NOOONE will cut as much as RP. Starting with saving hundreds of billions oversea's, he would make it optional for young people to opt-out of social security. He has prmoised to keep the States promise and pay off social security to those who have paid into it their whole life, and then slowly ween us off of the nany state.


NO MORE FUCKING NANNY STATE. Ron Paul is our only hope


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14419753 - 05/08/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think the problem right now with Ron Paul and the mainstream is he hasn't seemed to make a clear cut plan how he plans to do everything?

Does he have plans for military defense?              Maybe people think if he becomes president America's gonna start getting bombed and shit.............


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelearningtofly
Ancient Aliens
Male


Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14419764 - 05/08/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

America would lose less people to bombing than they would to the 3 wars they have now.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14419776 - 05/08/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

True that.  Doesn't stop the fear mongering on the mainstream though.

Remember Guiliani?  He ran on a campaign based around 9/11 :facepalm:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelearningtofly
Ancient Aliens
Male


Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14419779 - 05/08/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah he had to most to gain from it :strokebeard:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14419787 - 05/08/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Haha nah he failed hard   


Edited by skatealex2 (05/08/11 02:15 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14419908 - 05/08/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:


NO MORE FUCKING NANNY STATE. Ron Paul is our only hope




Sorry, I forgot a "not" in my post. What I mean is exactly this. What you call a nanny state I call a social contract. Ron Paul will eviscerate social safety nets. This is another problem I have with the man.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleblazenn
rawdog the whale.
Male

Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 4,584
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14419919 - 05/08/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
Quote:


NO MORE FUCKING NANNY STATE. Ron Paul is our only hope




Sorry, I forgot a "not" in my post. What I mean is exactly this. What you call a nanny state I call a social contract. Ron Paul will eviscerate social safety nets. This is another problem I have with the man.




and where is the money coming from to fund these social contracts? cause our government doesn't have that money.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: blazenn]
    #14419926 - 05/08/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

By slashing the defense budget, closing corporate tax loopholes, and cutting farm and oil subsidies.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleblazenn
rawdog the whale.
Male

Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 4,584
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14419933 - 05/08/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
By slashing the defense budget, closing corporate tax loopholes, and cutting farm and oil subsidies.




thats funny cause these are all things that ron paul supports. and not only supports but they're all major parts of his campaign.

obama sure doesn't want to cut down on the money we spend for defense.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: blazenn]
    #14420025 - 05/08/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

blazenn said:
thats funny cause these are all things that ron paul supports. and not only supports but they're all major parts of his campaign.





I am aware of this. My point was that I would make those cuts to pay for social services. Ron Paul would include those social services in those cuts.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14420038 - 05/08/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ron paul wouldnt cut social services! he only has 4 years AND  he;s isnt being elected tyrant, he is only president. He can slash defense or whatever but he cant just bypass congress and cutout everything.

Elect him, save hundreds of billions in foreign aid and wars, and right there we are in the right direction


you know why we should vote for Ron Paul? look how fucking terrified FOx is of him! he must really know what he is talking about and the establishment must have a fucking shitload at stake to do stuff like this


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14420049 - 05/08/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

you know why we should vote for Ron Paul? look how fucking terrified FOx is of him!




By that logic you should be giving heavily to Obama's campaign right now.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleblazenn
rawdog the whale.
Male

Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 4,584
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14420062 - 05/08/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
Quote:

blazenn said:
thats funny cause these are all things that ron paul supports. and not only supports but they're all major parts of his campaign.





I am aware of this. My point was that I would make those cuts to pay for social services. Ron Paul would include those social services in those cuts.





the thing is most of those social services are exactly what's keeping the united states in debt. i don't know all the math, but i'm pretty sure cutting defense by 100% wouldn't even come close to paying for our social services in a single year.

our debt is a perpetual problem at this point and there's no way the american government can pull itself out while still handing out money to business and people trying to handle their own financial problems.
of course america's debt problem goes much deeper than the money it spends on social services but it's all relative.

from what i know about our current state of the economy, there's no way in hell we're going to get out of debt any time soon. they we things are going the US dollar is going to lose it's spot as the world's reserve currency long before we can even BEGIN to lower the federal deficit.

when the dollar loses its spot as the world's reserve currency, you don't even know how much prices are going to skyrocket on everything from clothes, to food, and it's already very rapidly happening to oil. we are just now witnessing the first part of a major economic meltdown. and when it finally kicks in full force, the federal government will have no choice but to immediately stop all those social services it's trying to pay for.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14420082 - 05/08/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
Quote:

you know why we should vote for Ron Paul? look how fucking terrified FOx is of him!




By that logic you should be giving heavily to Obama's campaign right now.




no. the liberal media is just as terrified, but why would they talk about the pub primaries this early?

Theyre to hands of the same man, lib's increase social costs, con's keep spending billions oversea's in everyone elses business.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14420135 - 05/08/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:


when the dollar loses its spot as the world's reserve currency, you don't even know how much prices are going to skyrocket on everything from clothes, to food, and it's already very rapidly happening to oil.




Where are you getting this from?


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleblazenn
rawdog the whale.
Male

Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 4,584
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14420201 - 05/08/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it's mostly speculation but think about it, most of our products in america are imported.

with USD being the global currency we don't have to convert to any other currency before we import our goods. when/if the USD loses that spot, which will only happen when the worth of our dollar is already much lower than any other world currency, we'll have to convert to whatever currency the country is using that we import from dramatically increasing the amount of money we have to spend on said product.

right now the only thing saving our economy is the fact that the federal reserve is printing trillions of dollars to make up for the money the government doesn't have. the only reason that this works is because the USD is the worlds reserve currency. the longer the federal reserve has to resort to printing more money, the more the USD will lose it's value globally.

i'll have to try to find the article but i read a report recently that russia, china, i think japan, and a couple other nations had a meeting without the U.S. to discuss a retreat from using the USD as the global currency. russia and china have already made an agreement that will allow them to trade without having to convert to USD first.




http://www.businessinsider.com/citi-on-nanjing-meeting-2011-3

and

http://blog-imfdirect.imf.org/2011/03/31/new-international-monetary-system/

are a couple articles about it.


Edited by blazenn (05/08/11 03:51 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: blazenn]
    #14420234 - 05/08/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

blazenn said:
it's mostly speculation but think about it, most of our products in america are imported.



And a devaluation of our currency will therefore fix our trade deficit.

Quote:

right now the only thing saving our economy is the fact that the federal reserve is printing trillions of dollars to make up for the money the government doesn't have. the only reason that this works is because the USD is the worlds reserve currency. the longer the federal reserve has to resort to printing more money, the more the USD will lose it's value globally.



You talk about printing money as making up for money our government doesn't have.  This makes no sense.  The currency printed is money the government has.  The issuer of currency can never run out of money.  The fact that the dollar is the world's reserve currency does of course confer certain advantages, but it's not the end of the wold if we lose that status.  Western Europe has gotten along just fine without having the world's reserve currency.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female

Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14420236 - 05/08/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ron Paul does not have a chance of being elected, and I am grateful for that.

First of all, he simply won't get nominated to run as the GOP candidate. The GOP brass don't care about poll numbers. That's not how the Republican Party works. That's one of the few things that differentiates it from the Democratic party. Paul is too much of a "maverick" to even be considered by the GOP establishment.

Second of all, the guy is a loon. He doesn't mean what he says about the drug war, he just says it for brownie points with his libertarian constituency and for campaign contributions from druggies who aren't smart enough to hold onto their money. Seems to work out pretty well for him.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: blazenn]
    #14420238 - 05/08/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

it's mostly speculation but think about it, most of our products in america are imported.




If you don't understand economics you probably shouldn't have it be the crux of your argument. I don't understand a lick about global economics, so I stay away from it when I debate.

But I get what you're saying. The US is too broke to take care of its most vulnerable citizens. That's the same line I get from every republican, and it's not the case. Social services such as health care, education, and infrastructure should take huge precedence over everything else, especially in times of economic turmoil.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSenor_Doobie
Snake Pit Champion
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/11/99
Posts: 22,678
Loc: Trump Train
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14420300 - 05/08/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
Right, like I said I would prefer a single-payer option like every other civilized industrial nation on earth. And no, I don't find it fucked up that the government can make you buy insurance. We have the same law for auto-insurance, why? Because it is irresponsible not to be insured. If you don't have health insurance and you get treatment that you can't pay for, the taxpayer picks up the tab. If you don't have car insurance and you get in a wreck, the person you hit picks up the tab. Neither of those situations are "fair."

The fact is that the republican party is a collective of racists, corporate whores, and plutocrats who think that it is more important to ban abortion and cut social services for the poor than it is to raise taxes on millionaires. The fact that Ron Paul associates with these scumbags should tell you something about his character.




Man, you really bought into this plan hook, line, and sinker.  You bitch about the Paul-worshipers but you are lock and step with the Obama-care bullshit?

You've said a few things that I will loosely quote..

1.  Obama didn't pass a public option or single payer plan because he couldn't get support. 

He didn't even try to get either of those options through Congress. He endorsed a bill that was void of either option and so what we have is a complete mess of a plan that does absolutely NOTHING to curtail health care cost. 

He could have rammed down either of those options through down the party line as easily or more easily than this debauchery. 

2.  I don't find it fucked up that the government can make you buy insurance. We have the same law for auto-insurance.

Show me the law that requires me to own a car.  This is a completely false equation.  I have no car.  I pay for no car insurance.  Everybody has a choice as to whether or not they want car insurance. 

3.  If you don't have health insurance and you get treatment that you can't pay for, the taxpayer picks up the tab.

And under the new plan, who picks up the tab?  The insurance company.  And how do they do that?  By raising premiums.  And who pays those premiums?  Oh yeah, the people.  So how is it different?  This plan makes me responsible for the guy next door who has a bacon IV attached to his arm and thinks cake icing is a main course.  Cigarette smokers, meth users, Hell, even people who go to the ER every time they have a hangnail.  Who is responsible for these people under the new plan?  Oh yeah, that's right.  You.  And me.  And every other American citizen who follows the ridiculous law.


--------------------
"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14420325 - 05/08/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
Quote:


when the dollar loses its spot as the world's reserve currency, you don't even know how much prices are going to skyrocket on everything from clothes, to food, and it's already very rapidly happening to oil.




Where are you getting this from?





we are printing money out of thin air! we have been, our currency is not back by precious metals, its backed by faith. FAITH. The U.S dollar is losing its value, you dont need to be a genius to know this.

Gold and oil have stayed about the same price for price, while paper currency has plummeted! if our currency was backed by gold, oil wouldnt be more expensive. its only expensive relative to the dollar.
oil

gold
]


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14420366 - 05/08/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Man, you really bought into this plan hook, line, and sinker.  You bitch about the Paul-worshipers but you are lock and step with the Obama-care bullshit?




Er... no. I was not pleased with "obamacare" because it was not a single-payer system which I feel is the ideal.


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLed Zeppelin
Tripper


Registered: 05/17/10
Posts: 3,962
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #14420677 - 05/08/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
Ron Paul does not have a chance of being elected, and I am grateful for that.

First of all, he simply won't get nominated to run as the GOP candidate. The GOP brass don't care about poll numbers. That's not how the Republican Party works. That's one of the few things that differentiates it from the Democratic party. Paul is too much of a "maverick" to even be considered by the GOP establishment.

Second of all, the guy is a loon. He doesn't mean what he says about the drug war, he just says it for brownie points with his libertarian constituency and for campaign contributions from druggies who aren't smart enough to hold onto their money. Seems to work out pretty well for him.




Thats fucking bullshit.Id like to see your proof of this..but you have none. ron paul believes everything he says and thats whats so great about him. stop passing off your speculation as fact


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #14420755 - 05/08/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
Ron Paul does not have a chance of being elected, and I am grateful for that.

First of all, he simply won't get nominated to run as the GOP candidate. The GOP brass don't care about poll numbers. That's not how the Republican Party works. That's one of the few things that differentiates it from the Democratic party. Paul is too much of a "maverick" to even be considered by the GOP establishment.

Second of all, the guy is a loon. He doesn't mean what he says about the drug war, he just says it for brownie points with his libertarian constituency and for campaign contributions from druggies who aren't smart enough to hold onto their money. Seems to work out pretty well for him.




bullshit man. this is essentially along the lines of the "Join shroomery in 03, build trust over 8 year" police thing. Why would he waste so many years in congress as a newbie, not fighting for corporations and not taking bribes and being for the people just so he could join and fuck us over?

he is OF and FOR the people


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14421086 - 05/08/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesnitchelpowerz37
broke
Male

Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 251
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14421163 - 05/08/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
Quote:

Tchan909 said:
Ron Paul does not have a chance of being elected, and I am grateful for that.

First of all, he simply won't get nominated to run as the GOP candidate. The GOP brass don't care about poll numbers. That's not how the Republican Party works. That's one of the few things that differentiates it from the Democratic party. Paul is too much of a "maverick" to even be considered by the GOP establishment.

Second of all, the guy is a loon. He doesn't mean what he says about the drug war, he just says it for brownie points with his libertarian constituency and for campaign contributions from druggies who aren't smart enough to hold onto their money. Seems to work out pretty well for him.




bullshit man. this is essentially along the lines of the "Join shroomery in 03, build trust over 8 year" police thing. Why would he waste so many years in congress as a newbie, not fighting for corporations and not taking bribes and being for the people just so he could join and fuck us over?

he is OF and FOR the people




I agree...Tchan seems like a pretty smart guy but I have no idea what basis he has for the argument that Ron Paul is tricking voters by lying about his stance on drug prohibition.  Every question I hear Paul answer in reference to the war on drugs has been thought out enough that I don't see how anyone could think he is being dishonest...his view on drugs aligns with his other beliefs and I don't think any politician would end the war on drugs if they didn't think it was the best thing to do for the country.  It would be political suicide otherwise  If he were to be elected, I doubt the war on drugs would just disappear, but I'm sure he'd advocate for the end and leave it to the states to decide.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMelloRed
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/09/11
Posts: 186
Last seen: 9 years, 11 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: snitchelpowerz37]
    #14421192 - 05/08/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Paul has absolutely no chance.  The religious right and neo-conservatives are too much a part of the current GOP.  Sucks, because, while I think the changes Paul wants goes too far it would be better than the continuation of current policies the remaining candidates of both parties offer.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: MelloRed]
    #14421205 - 05/08/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



you guys should watch this video, i have a basic understanding of economics and i think alot of what he thinks is quite true


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesnitchelpowerz37
broke
Male

Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 251
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2] * 1
    #14421218 - 05/08/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

skatealex2 said:






You can just tell by his reactions that he is passionate about what he believes in. Or maybe Bill O' Reiley can just drive anyone mad ha.  Either way, what he says resonates with me and it'd be nice having a president that is willing to stand for what they believe.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female

Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: MelloRed]
    #14421230 - 05/08/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, the thing is that Republican candidates are not nominated by popular vote. They are nominated by committees, and current Republican committees are politically at odds with everything Ron Paul claims to believe. I will literally give all you doubters money if Ron Paul gets nominated.

The Democratic party is different. Presidential candidates are nominated by popular vote. That's how Obama came straight out of left field to dominate the party. Nothing like that would ever happen in the GOP. Such "democratic" movements are doomed from the start.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesnitchelpowerz37
broke
Male

Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 251
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: MelloRed]
    #14421246 - 05/08/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

look how popular he is in the polls now, and election is in what? like a year and half?  he has a lot of time to build up momentum.  i agree that the fact that he needs to be chosen to represent the republican party could be a major hinderance, but if society continues to degenerate i can only see paul's popularity going up as people will look for "change" that is actually tangible.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMelloRed
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/09/11
Posts: 186
Last seen: 9 years, 11 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: snitchelpowerz37]
    #14421278 - 05/08/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If he would leave the GOP, be independent, and start working now on getting on the ballot in every states' general election, he could have a small chance.  Perot showed that an independent can compete and the country's in a lot worse shape now than 1992 or 96.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14421281 - 05/08/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

and this, seriously this man is a true patriot


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female

Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: snitchelpowerz37]
    #14421285 - 05/08/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's not "the people" who will nominate Ron Paul. They won't get the chance. That's not how GOP hierarchy works. And that's why I can't take Paul's bombast seriously.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14421403 - 05/08/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:


you guys should watch this video, i have a basic understanding of economics and i think alot of what he thinks is quite true



The hubris of those who confuse a "basic understanding" of economics with actually understanding economics lies at the heart of most libertarian talking points.  I'll set aside the silliness of his strict constructionist approach to the Constitution and focus on the economics of what he's saying.

For one, price-fixing was actually part and parcel of us getting out of the Depression.  People tend to point to WWII as what got us out, but they neglect to mention the specifics of how it accomplished this.  During WWII, there was rationing and price-fixing, and massive government takeover of the private sector.  Car factories were converted into military aircraft factories, and this massive public investment created full employment.  Price-fixing is not necessarily the best strategy, and I think generally it should be discouraged, but it's not nearly as black-and-white as he makes it out to be.  Furthermore, I find it ironic that he rants against price-fixing while also advocating a gold standard, which essentially means fixing the price of gold.

His point about where we're going to get 7 trillion dollars tells me two things:  He doesn't understand that the issuer of currency cannot run out of money, nor does he understand the difference between stocks and flows.  Every government in the world is in debt, and this is a normal state of affairs.  Those who want to point to a country like Greece to say we're at risk of default ignore the fact that Greece does not issue its own currency(the Euro is actually a big problem in that there is a monetary union with very little in the way of a political union).  Creditors love lending to sovereign governments because they are a reliable investment.  And furthermore, the debt does not have to be paid back all at once.  The government can continue servicing the debt at a constant rate.

As for his criticism of credit creation, I find this particularly amusing.  Credit creation is necessary for the money supply to meet the market demand for money.  The alternative idea of a strict gold standard where our currency is tied to an arbitrary shiny metal that has nothing to do with market demand is actually quite anti-market.  Credit money is great at meeting demand, in a way that commodity-based money never could(fortunately, the kind of purely commodity-based money that so many libertarians envision has never actually existed).

That's all I've got for now, but I encourage people to study economics outside of the simple-minded stuff you hear from the Austrian school(there are actually a few good ideas in the Austrian school, but they get weighed down with a bunch of absolutist free market dogma).


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14421602 - 05/08/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for that post Silver, it was very enlightening. I don't know shit about economics


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 3 years, 19 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul] * 1
    #14421753 - 05/08/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:

I find it ironic that he rants against price-fixing while also advocating a gold standard, which essentially means fixing the price of gold.




This is not fixing the the price of gold any more than saying a dollar is worth a dollar. If you have a reserve note that was worth one troy ounce of gold it is worth the market value of one troy ounce of gold the same way a dollar holds a market value.  This is not price fixing. Price fixing would be like the gold standard we had up until the 70's where we said 1 oz of gold is worth 20 dollars, which doesn't reflect market value of gold

Quote:

His point about where we're going to get 7 trillion dollars tells me two things:  He doesn't understand that the issuer of currency cannot run out of money




Paul isn't saying we will run out of money he is saying the risks of printing 7 trillion dollars are too high. It devalues the dollar which causes commodity prices to rise such as oil and gold. Recently China has been talking about getting rid of the dollar as it's reserve currency on the dollar's down slide the past 12 months. Our treasury bond market is also nearly collapsed because of a weak dollar causing the Federal Reserve to own nearly 70% of the bonds with quantative easing which further weakens the dollar.

Quote:

  And furthermore, the debt does not have to be paid back all at once.  The government can continue servicing the debt at a constant rate.

As for his criticism of credit creation, I find this particularly amusing.  Credit creation is necessary for the money supply to meet the market demand for money.  The alternative idea of a strict gold standard where our currency is tied to an arbitrary shiny metal that has nothing to do with market demand is actually quite anti-market. 



You are sort of twisting his words. He's not saying credit creation is bad he is saying the unprecedented creation of credit is bad, which is commonly referred to as the boom and bust cycle. Gold is no more arbitrary than paper. it's the increase in the supply that is important, and gold has nearly always increased in supply 2-5% percent per year even in bad years and gold rushes. To say gold is anti-market is actually pretty funny considering gold has been used for thousands of years as money and the market essentially created it as a currency just as it did the dollar.


Edited by Rebirtha (05/08/11 09:05 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14421864 - 05/08/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Rebirtha said:
This is not fixing the the price of gold any more than saying a dollar is worth a dollar. If you have a reserve note that was worth one troy ounce of gold it is worth the market value of one troy ounce of gold the same way a dollar holds a market value.  This is not price fixing. Price fixing would be like the gold standard we had up until the 70's where we said 1 oz of gold is worth 20 dollars, which doesn't reflect market value of gold



The only form of gold standard which isn't price fixing is the kind where the currency is actually made from gold.  In those cases, the amount stamped on the gold coins is higher than the actual commodity value of the coin.

Quote:

Paul isn't saying we will run out of money he is saying the risks of printing 7 trillion dollars are too high. It devalues the dollar which causes commodity prices to rise such as oil and gold. Recently China has been talking about getting rid of the dollar as it's reserve currency on the dollar's down slide the past 12 months. Our treasury bond market is also nearly collapsed because of a weak dollar causing the Federal Reserve to own nearly 70% of the bonds with quantative easing which further weakens the dollar.



Fair enough, except that quantitative easing pretty much has no effect one way or the other as long as the banks aren't lending.  Creating more money does not affect prices until it's actually circulated, except insofar as it affects perceptions(which are actually much bigger determinants of price levels than the money supply).

Quote:

You are sort of twisting his words. He's not saying credit creation is bad he is saying the unprecedented creation of credit is bad, which is commonly referred to as the boom and bust cycle. Gold is no more arbitrary than paper. it's the increase in the supply that is important, and gold has nearly always increased in supply 2-5% percent per year even in bad years and gold rushes. To say gold is anti-market is actually pretty funny considering gold has been used for thousands as money and the market essentially created it as a currency just as it did the dollar.



Gold's use as money basically had to do with its malleability, making it easy to stamp coins.  After paper money was invented and people got the idea their money was "backed" by gold, it was little more than a confidence game in which there existed a credit money system that pretended to be backed by gold.  You mention the increase in supply, which is precisely the weakness of gold money.  The market at a given time has a certain demand for money, and that demand is met by the issue of credit.  Gold, on the other hand, doesn't care what the demand for money is, which can lead to deflation and stagnation(except that, as I mentioned, the so-called "gold standard" was really just a credit money system pretending to be backed by gold).  That is what I mean when I say it is anti-market.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 3 years, 19 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul] * 1
    #14421918 - 05/08/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
The only form of gold standard which isn't price fixing is the kind where the currency is actually made from gold.  In those cases, the amount stamped on the gold coins is higher than the actual commodity value of the coin.




This is not true. The 'standard' part of the gold standard is saying you are holding the value of a dollar standard to an amount of gold. A true gold standard is not pure gold coins, it is easily a currency backed by gold where there is no price but a weight.



Quote:


Fair enough, except that quantitative easing pretty much has no effect one way or the other as long as the banks aren't lending.  Creating more money does not affect prices until it's actually circulated, except insofar as it affects perceptions(which are actually much bigger determinants of price levels than the money supply).





Yes the velocity of money right now is flat, but the distortion has been made and while the market starts picks up so does lending, and it will be released. The perception is still horrible too, the yearly dollar chart is dismal.

Quote:


Gold's use as money basically had to do with its malleability, making it easy to stamp coins.  After paper money was invented and people got the idea their money was "backed" by gold, it was little more than a confidence game in which there existed a credit money system that pretended to be backed by gold.  You mention the increase in supply, which is precisely the weakness of gold money.  The market at a given time has a certain demand for money, and that demand is met by the issue of credit.  Gold, on the other hand, doesn't care what the demand for money is, which can lead to deflation and stagnation(except that, as I mentioned, the so-called "gold standard" was really just a credit money system pretending to be backed by gold).  That is what I mean when I say it is anti-market.




This is true yet the federal reserve consistently gets market expectations wrong such as the housing bubble, neither is perfect. But I agree with you in many regards.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleblazenn
rawdog the whale.
Male

Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 4,584
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14421924 - 05/08/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
He doesn't understand that the issuer of currency cannot run out of money, nor does he understand the difference between stocks and flows.




you seem to believe the USD has a permanent spot at the top of global currencies, which would be a pretty naive assumption.

imagine for a second what it would be like if every country in the world wasn't using the USD for global trade. our ability to print more money wouldn't mean SHIT. the value of our dollar too would not mean SHIT.

it may be hard to comprehend but the USD isn't going to be the world's reserve currency for ever. and at the rate our economy is declining while our debt is rising, our dollar is just going to lose it's value faster and faster.

some countries are already making the move away from using the USD.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 3 years, 19 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: blazenn]
    #14422024 - 05/08/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here is a great article about the velocity of lending recently

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2011/03/velocity_of_fed.html


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: blazenn]
    #14422081 - 05/08/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Rebirtha said:
This is not true. The 'standard' part of the gold standard is saying you are holding the value of a dollar standard to an amount of gold. A true gold standard is not pure gold coins, it is easily a currency backed by gold where there is no price but a weight.



It is saying that such-and-such amount of money is worth such-and-such amount of gold.  That is price fixing, pure and simple.  By comparison, the money in your wallet is not set to any one good, but simply acts as a means of exchange for other goods.  The goal of price stability is to make sure that the money maintains a stable relationship with as many goods as possible, rather than a single commodity which bears no relationship to what most people buy.

Quote:

This is true yet the federal reserve consistently gets market expectations wrong such as the housing bubble, neither is perfect. But I agree with you in many regards.



No doubt the Fed has made some bad decisions, though I think that both its defenders and detractors overestimate the influence the Fed actually has over monetary policy.  They all assume that the money supply is controlled exogenously, when in fact it is set endogenously by the demand for loans.  The recent housing bubble was simply a very extreme case of an 18-year cycle that goes back hundreds of years.  It was made worse by Wall Street deregulation which allowed an ungodly amount of debt to be piled on top of the rising land values, but the source of that cycle is to be found in the real economy(particularly), more so than in the monetary system.

Quote:

you seem to believe the USD has a permanent spot at the top of global currencies, which would be a pretty naive assumption.



I make no such assumption.  What I say is as true for England or Australia as it is for the US.  It is not necessary for a government to have the world's reserve currency in order to have monetary sovereignty in their own country.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14422547 - 05/08/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is a non sequitur but here is a fascinating article on why gold has been used for currency

http://furthertheless.com/2010/11/why-is-gold-used-as-currency/


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 3 years, 19 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14423416 - 05/09/11 07:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The printing of money is not always set endogenously, hence bailouts, stimulus, and quantative easing. The fed gives money essentially directly to the government for projects where it can't borrow and tax and this has nothing to do with lending rates. Also I don't agree with the assessment of the 18 year bubble though I do believe it took part over the course of more than a decade. I believe the cause were as most bubbles artificially low interest rates (easy credit) coupled with the legislation to allow people who normally can't afford homes. With low interest rates and less restrictions to buying homes demand soared and so did prices. Housing prices were doubling and tripling in 10 year periods, becoming one of the best investments for many people. People constantly blame predatory lending as well. I think the predatory lending is more carelessness than anything else. With housing prices soaring and interest rates very low banks and lenders didn't care whether the person who took out the mortgage could afford it or not, because as long as the price of houses went up the bank was considered the deal a low risk win. More carelessness than predatory IMO. Also the subprime crisis was largely carried out by none other than Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I don't think this was normal market condition at all, it reeks of government intervention.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14424211 - 05/09/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Rebirtha said:
The printing of money is not always set endogenously, hence bailouts, stimulus, and quantative easing.



The bailouts essentially help cancel out the bad debt that the banks had.  Of course the stimulus puts more money in the economy.  That's the point.  Yes, the government can spend money directly into the economy.  My point was simply that Central Banks do not control the money supply by their tinkering with interest rates and reserve requirements, because banks will continue to lend exactly as much money as the market demands.  As for quantitative easing, it's pretty much like pushing on a string.  The Fed is flooding banks with reserves, but they're not lending because the amount of money they lend has nothing to do with the amount of reserves they have.

Quote:

The fed gives money essentially directly to the government for projects where it can't borrow and tax and this has nothing to do with lending rates.



Actually, it lends to the government.  I would prefer it just give the money directly to the government like you say, but yes, the government can get money from the Fed, which is why I mentioned that

Quote:

Also I don't agree with the assessment of the 18 year bubble though I do believe it took part over the course of more than a decade.



And that's because you haven't studied the issue.  Except for the Keynesian era from WWII to the early 70's, the cycle has pretty much gone on uninterrupted for at least the past 200 years.  The reason it tends to be about 18 years has to do with the way mortgages are financed.

Quote:

I believe the cause were as most bubbles artificially low interest rates (easy credit) coupled with the legislation to allow people who normally can't afford homes.



And the reason you believe that is because you don't grasp the concept of endogenous money.  That's okay.  Most economists haven't picked up that concept either.  But the fact is that banks create credit first and then seek deposits, which means that they loans based on the current market demand, and set interest rates according to the demand for money.  Credit is always as easy for them as finding borrowers who they trust to pay back the loans.

The legislation myth you mention is a bunch of bullshit.  The sub-prime mess didn't start until well after the housing boom was already under way, and had much more to do with derivatives than anything else.  The reason banks were lending to all these borrowers that couldn't pay back was not because the government was forcing them to.  That's ridiculous.  They were doing it because they could bundle all these bad mortgages with good ones and sell them off as AAA-rated securities to someone else.

Quote:

With low interest rates and less restrictions to buying homes demand soared and so did prices.



The low interest rates and easy credit were fueled by the rising land prices that were driven by market demand.  Land prices inevitably goes up because, as Will Rogers once said, "They ain't making any more of it."  And it is this rising value that fuels other speculative activity and malinvestment.  A stupifying number of people seem to think that this recession is unique in being caused by a land bubble.  It's not.  The recession of the early 90's was caused by one, as was the one in the early 70's, as was the Great Depression.

Quote:

Housing prices were doubling and tripling in 10 year periods, becoming one of the best investments for many people. People constantly blame predatory lending as well. I think the predatory lending is more carelessness than anything else. With housing prices soaring and interest rates very low banks and lenders didn't care whether the person who took out the mortgage could afford it or not, because as long as the price of houses went up the bank was considered the deal a low risk win. More carelessness than predatory IMO.



That "carelessness" is inevitable when you a rising asset like land providing the base for all kinds of other speculative activities.  Land prices do not fluctuate in the same way that other commodities do.  They keep rising and rising until the bubble pops.  The rising values of land are what drives demand for it, which in turn increases the value of land.  Until we address that, such as by shifting taxes onto land values, the boom-bust cycle is here to stay.

Quote:

Also the subprime crisis was largely carried out by none other than Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.



They came late to the game.  The subprime crisis was well underway by the time they joined in.  As I said, it was fueled by derivatives.

Quote:

I don't think this was normal market condition at all, it reeks of government intervention.



The government's main role in this was in repealing Glass-Steagall, which led to all kinds of ponzi finance.  But that simply amplified a problem that would have existed anyway.  Land values themselves have to be addressed, which is why I advocated land value taxation.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 3 years, 19 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14424238 - 05/09/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for your input, I'll have to read up on some of things you mention. I justed started formally studying economics at a university so there is a lot that is not in the big picture. Do you think what the Fed is doing is sustainable though? And do you agree with Schiff's assesment of the markets back in 06 and 07 that I posted here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14423975 ?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14424371 - 05/09/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Rebirtha said:
Thanks for your input, I'll have to read up on some of things you mention. I justed started formally studying economics at a university so there is a lot that is not in the big picture.



Well, it's good to study heterodox theories alongside your formal economics education.  I'd particularly recommend Debunking Economics by Steve Keen.  It's basically the best summary of heterodox economics out there, and should supplement your economics education nicely.

My guess is that your classes will teach you what's called the Real Business Cycle theory.  Let me know if you can make sense of it, because it always struck me as a bunch of bullshit.  For all the flack I give the Austrian school, at least they can recognize a bubble when it's right under their noses.  RBC theory doesn't even acknowledge the existence of bubbles.  That's why after the crash there were all these economists shouting "Nobody saw it coming!" by which they mean that their models are incapable of predicting something like this, and since they're respectable professionals in their field and they didn't see it coming, that therefore no one else out there saw it coming.

Quote:

Do you think what the Fed is doing is sustainable though?



If you're referring to quantitative easing, I don't think it's either sustainable or unsustainable.  I think it's basically useless.  As I said, it's like pushing on a string.  As for the Fed in general, I don't think there's anything wrong with having a lender of last resort.  I do think it's bullshit that the government has to borrow from the Fed instead of having the Treasury create its own money.  But that's another topic.  Basically, I think the real imbalances are in the real economy, and that whatever issues are in the financial sector simply amplify those problems.

Quote:

And do you agree with Schiff's assesment of the markets back in 06 and 07 that I posted here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14423975 ?



I think the Austrian business cycle theory catches part of the picture but mistakes the culprit.  The Austrians understand the buildup of debt and the misallocation of capital, but they mistakenly blame it on central banks because they mistakenly think money is exogenous(as do most economists for that matter).  As such, they can use their models to predict when a bubble will burst.  Therefore, it doesn't surprise me that Schiff saw this coming.  His predictions since the crash about the upcoming hyperinflation have been repeatedly wrong, and to me they prove that he doesn't really understand money.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 3 years, 19 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14424412 - 05/09/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hyperinflation or just serious inflation would only happen as velocity picks up, the distortion has been made. Has it not?

The distortion:

Velocity of money




The distortion of printing money has already been made and is by definition inflation. We haven't really seen prices go up except in heavily traded commodities, and we know the inflation is here in parts because of declining value of the dollar. When banks start lending as the economy picks up there will be inflation though how intense is left up to speculation. It does seem like an unprecedented increase in the money supply. Schiff is wrong until velocity picks up not to mention we know that inflation can take over a year to happen under normal market conditions, 3 or 4 years with no velocity would explain it pretty well.


Edited by Rebirtha (05/09/11 12:42 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14424486 - 05/09/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Inflation is here, but hyperinflation fears are based on a misunderstanding of how hyperinflation comes about.  Hyperinflation is whole other beast altogether.  It's actually a form of debt deflation, where the debt is owed in foreign currency.  It involves three factors: loss of productive capacity, foreign currency liabilities, and loss of ability to tax.  Here is a good synopsis on why hyperinflation is not coming.


--------------------


Edited by Silversoul (05/09/11 01:01 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 3 years, 19 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14424549 - 05/09/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have heard multiple interviews where Schiff says he doesn't think hyperinflation will come but serious inflation will. Raising interest rates in this economy to fight it would definitely slow down productive capacity as well.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14424576 - 05/09/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The price spike is global and has a lot more to do with oil price shocks than anything else.  Raising interest rates won't do shit.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 3 years, 19 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14424677 - 05/09/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I"m not talking about now, i'm talking about if there was growing inflation though several Federal Reserve Presidents have come forward saying we need to be ahead of the curve on inflation by raising interest rates.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14424699 - 05/09/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Rebirtha said:
I"m not talking about now, i'm talking about if there was growing inflation though several Federal Reserve Presidents have come forward saying we need to be ahead of the curve on inflation by raising interest rates.



Again, read the article I posted for why hyperinflation is not coming.  Raising interest rates will not curb monetary expansion because, as I already explained, credit creation is demand-driven, not supply-driven, as is often supposed.  Meanwhile, inflation has less to with the total amount of money and more to do with where the money gets allocated.  When people spend new money on bidding up asset prices instead of on production, then you're going to get inflation.  And by that reasoning, we probably will get inflation, considering the profits that Wall Street has been seeing while the rest of us are in a slump.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 3 years, 19 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14424760 - 05/09/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I wasn't saying hyperinflation is coming if that's what you were inferring. So when the economy picks up you don't forsee banks lending their excess reserves? Bernanke himself even admits that we will have to raise interest rates like China, ECB, India, Argentina if this inflation isn't as he puts it 'transitory'


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14424797 - 05/09/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Rebirtha said:
I wasn't saying hyperinflation is coming if that's what you were inferring. So when the economy picks up you don't forsee banks lending their excess reserves?



They will lend their reserves according to what the market will bear.  But it makes no difference because even without those reserves, they could create the money out of thin air and get the reserves out of the money they created.  That's what it means for money to be endogenous.

Quote:

Bernanke himself even admits that we will have to raise interest rates like China, ECB, India, Argentina if this inflation isn't as he puts it 'transitory'



Yes, because Bernanke also mistakenly believes money to be exogenous.  Most of what the Fed does is based on this misconception.  They can serve a regulatory function, but any sort of inflation targeting through interest rates is bound to fail.

What I actually find funny about calls for a gold standard is that we currently think about our monetary system as if we were still on a gold standard.  Under a gold standard, reserves really did matter.  Under a gold standard, the government had to borrow money overseas if it needed any more to spend into the economy.  And we still impose these limitations on ourselves as if they still applied.  Endogenous money describes how money actually works in a credit-based system, and it can work quite well as long as we learn the rules for such a system instead of acting as if we were still on the old system.


--------------------


Edited by Silversoul (05/09/11 02:16 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14425600 - 05/09/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14425703 - 05/09/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

what happens if we lose our spot as the worlds reserve currency? Its happened before, and china is already ditching Dollar reserves for items such as copper.

How can we expect to just introduce trillions of dollars out of thin air and not experience inflation? Gold and Oil charts and par-for-par but everything is getting more expensive. The same people who predicted the 2008 mortgage crisis predict MUCHMUCH  worse.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinestarfire_xes
I Am 'They'
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 21,590
Loc: Dallas with all the assho...
Last seen: 7 months, 2 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14425745 - 05/09/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's tough....both the Nanny State Left and the Family Values right are going to attack him 24/7 if he starts gaining any traction in the polls.


--------------------
:smug: [/url][/url] 
:smirk: IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT UP SO YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM BITCH    :smirk:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14425757 - 05/09/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yessir. Im just hoping people begin to see what is happening to the standard of living and the price of common items.. if shit comes to shit he just might have a chance


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14425769 - 05/09/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
what happens if we lose our spot as the worlds reserve currency? Its happened before, and china is already ditching Dollar reserves for items such as copper.



If we lose our spot as the world's reserve currency, our currency becomes devalued, but that's not the same as inflation.  It's a one-time price adjustment.  That in no way changes our monetary sovereignty over our own economy.

Quote:

How can we expect to just introduce trillions of dollars out of thin air and not experience inflation?



Suppose I were to counterfeit trillions of dollars indistinguishable from real dollars, but rather than spend these dollars, I just buried them in my back yard.  Would that cause inflation?  You fool yourself by thinking of money strictly in terms of quantity, and not in terms of velocity and circulation(or, for that matter, allocation).

Quote:

Gold and Oil charts and par-for-par but everything is getting more expensive. The same people who predicted the 2008 mortgage crisis predict MUCHMUCH  worse.



Other than Peter Schiff, how many other economists are you aware of that predicted this crisis?  Were you even aware of those outside the Austrian school who predicted it?

For my part, I wouldn't be surprised if things do get worse, but it won't be hyperinflation.  The problem we face is further debt deflation.  There's still a lot of debt out there to be deleveraged, and as long as we keep treating those speculative debts as legitimate, we're still in the hot seat.  Unfortunately, the power in Washington sides with the creditors and not with the people.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFlop Johnson
Praise Skatballah
Male


Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 13,789
Loc: TX
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14425776 - 05/09/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

fbi365 said:
No chance.  Sorry




I will vote for him every time he runs, but the colossal ignorance of the drooling masses will most definitely prevent anyone who is even remotely qualified from getting into office. It's just a fashion show, folks.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul] * 1
    #14425802 - 05/09/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

but as the money gets flooded into the market what do you expect to happen? and still, "too big to fail" the taxpayers did not even have a say on the issue.

the Chinese are getting rid of their US dollars at an insane rate, but are doing it through buying commodities so it doesnt look like theyre just trying to get rid of them.

We just need smaller government, i mean if you watch the debates, look at those fuckers besides paul. Look at the way they smile and look at RP, look at the way the MSM treats him. He is obviously disrupting things for the people up top, and that means benefit for the people who normally get screwed during an economic collapse.

and RP repeatedly predicted the collapse even back in 2002..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14425951 - 05/09/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
but as the money gets flooded into the market what do you expect to happen?



Define "flooding."  And furthermore, who's flooding the market, and where's the money going?  If it's being loaned by the banks, then I'd have to know whether that money is going toward productive capital formation, or bidding up asset prices.

Quote:

and still, "too big to fail" the taxpayers did not even have a say on the issue.



I agree, that was fucked up.  The banks should have gone into receivership so the government could write off their debts and sell off their assets.

Quote:

the Chinese are getting rid of their US dollars at an insane rate, but are doing it through buying commodities so it doesnt look like theyre just trying to get rid of them.



We still have the power to issue our own money.  The whole fallacy that we need to get our money from overseas lenders is a relic of the gold standard that simply isn't necessary anymore.

Quote:

We just need smaller government, i mean if you watch the debates, look at those fuckers besides paul.



What, you mean the other Republicans?  Yeah, they're pretty fucked up.  Except for Gary Johnson.  He's like Ron Paul minus the crazy.

As for smaller government, there are ways of shrinking government that I can get behind, but not the kind that Ron Paul is advocating.  He's advocating smaller government based on a flawed economic ideology.  If we can just recognize how money actually works and how economic rents distort capital allocation, then I'd be willing to have a discussion about the size of government.  And I actually think there are ways the government could do more with less if we go about it the right way.  But I'm not going to start from the premise of small government and then look for an economic ideology that shuts its ears to any other input.

See, the irony is that as much as libertarians annoy the shit out of me, I actually consider myself somewhat of a left-libertarian.  I believe in smart ways to reduce government that don't stick it to poor and underprivileged.  The kind of reductions most libertarians talk about are pretty much guaranteed to impoverish large swathes of the population and massively increase wealth inequality.

Quote:

Look at the way they smile and look at RP, look at the way the MSM treats him. He is obviously disrupting things for the people up top, and that means benefit for the people who normally get screwed during an economic collapse.



Honestly, I like a lot of what of what he has to say on things like drug policy and foreign policy.  But not going to let him off the hook on the destructive economic ideas he has.

Quote:

and RP repeatedly predicted the collapse even back in 2002..



And Fred Harrison warned Gordon Brown about it as far back as 1997.  In fact, using the same methodology, I can tell you when the next land bubble will burst:  2026, give or take a year.  Failing a sudden revival of countercyclical policy or a shift towards taxing economic rents, you can take that advise straight to the bank.


--------------------


Edited by Silversoul (05/09/11 06:08 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14426016 - 05/09/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

But the thing is,we can have our own currency but since we are a nation who rarely produces, the only reason our currency is so valuble is because it is the world reserve currency. Soeven though there isnt much demand for US goods, we can just print money and have it accepted full value because to buy oil anywhere in the world you need US dollars, there is always a demand.


But if what is happening continues, and we lose our spot and thereserve currnecy demand for the Dollar will plummit and it could be the next great depression. Russia and China have made it so they no longer need to convert to USD to exchange goods, and the Arab states are combining and making their own currency.

Im considering taking all of my money and putting it into silver. Have to ditch this paper we have..

And i understand they were given the money to loan out, but even at that it only worls well because the dollars value holds well all over the world. If and when the dollar fails what than?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGastronomicus
3-0-G
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 9,727
Last seen: 4 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14426033 - 05/09/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Then it's armageddon bro


--------------------
Make my Funk the P Funk, I wants to get Funked up

LAGM2024


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSilversoul
Rhizome
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 23,576
Loc: The Barricades
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14426056 - 05/09/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
But the thing is,we can have our own currency but since we are a nation who rarely produces, the only reason our currency is so valuble is because it is the world reserve currency. Soeven though there isnt much demand for US goods, we can just print money and have it accepted full value because to buy oil anywhere in the world you need US dollars, there is always a demand.

But if what is happening continues, and we lose our spot and thereserve currnecy demand for the Dollar will plummit and it could be the next great depression. Russia and China have made it so they no longer need to convert to USD to exchange goods, and the Arab states are combining and making their own currency.



Then our currency depreciates, which actually means that American goods will be cheaper and we can get back to producing goods and services.

Quote:

Im considering taking all of my money and putting it into silver. Have to ditch this paper we have..



All of it?  Does your local grocery store accept silver coins?  Money is supposed to circulate, so the idea that it should increase in value forever is stupid.  You need money for the short term, and that's what it's there for.  Gold and silver are great hedges against inflation, but they're a lousy way to run a monetary system.

Quote:

And i understand they were given the money to loan out, but even at that it only worls well because the dollars value holds well all over the world. If and when the dollar fails what than?



Then, as I said, we can get back to producing things.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14426884 - 05/09/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

my bad not ALL, i meant my savings passed down to me put away for a 4 year degree and what not. If i would of just done it when Wiccan told me to less than a year ago I would be like 30-40% up


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14430232 - 05/10/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFlop Johnson
Praise Skatballah
Male


Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 13,789
Loc: TX
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14430429 - 05/10/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:strokebeard2: indeed


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14430562 - 05/10/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
Quote:

you know why we should vote for Ron Paul? look how fucking terrified FOx is of him!




By that logic you should be giving heavily to Obama's campaign right now.





lol... fox isnt afraid of obama, fox is the only ones attacking him, he
banned fox from the whitehouse because they didnt want to play the same
suck on obama's wiener game the MSM has been playing


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14430845 - 05/10/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

skatealex2 said:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/10/juan-williams-surprising-rise-rep-ron-paul/#content


:strokebeard2:




hundreds of people have been calling Fox news non-stop telling them how absolutely embarrassing it has been to watch them distort the polls and that they are losing all credibility.

:strokebeard:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14432822 - 05/11/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFlop Johnson
Praise Skatballah
Male


Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 13,789
Loc: TX
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14432916 - 05/11/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
hundreds of people have been calling Fox news non-stop telling them how absolutely embarrassing it has been to watch them distort the polls and that they are losing all credibility.

:strokebeard:



there are people who thought Fox news had credibility?

:strokebeard2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblethodub

Registered: 04/29/11
Posts: 754
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #14432949 - 05/11/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Realistically no and that much should be apparent from his last attempt at election. He has some good ideas but some of them are just so far out there that even his own party won't attach their face to him.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKThunderland
Dude
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/21/11
Posts: 451
Loc: CT
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2] * 2
    #15562694 - 12/23/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama


--------------------
Check bio for trade list. Always open to trade anything of mine (that i can )for BTC.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibletrscstghst
stranger
Male


Registered: 10/14/07
Posts: 786
Loc: here
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #15563855 - 12/23/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
Quote:

bigmike7104 said:
Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
I give him about a 10% chance of getting the nomination, if he gets that I give him a 40% chance of beating Obama.

I hope he doesn't get elected. I don't want anyone in office who is so anti-choice.




:lolwut:

he's a liberatarian leaning republican how is he anti-choice, especially compared to obummer.




I'll let Ron Paul explain it to you

"Abortion on demand is the ultimate State tyranny; the State simply declares that certain classes of human beings are not persons, and therefore not entitled to the protection of the law. The State protects the "right" of some people to kill others, just as the courts protected the "property rights" of slave masters in their slaves. Moreover, by this method the State achieves a goal common to all totalitarian regimes: it sets us against each other, so that our energies are spent in the struggle between State-created classes, rather than in freeing all individuals from the State. Unlike Nazi Germany, which forcibly sent millions to the gas chambers (as well as forcing abortion and sterilization upon many more), the new regime has enlisted the assistance of millions of people to act as its agents in carrying out a program of mass murder."

Equating abortion to mass murder. There you have it.

All you Ron Paul acolytes should take a look at the actual policies he espouses. It's great that he wants to legalize pot, hooray, but at what cost? Everybody just gets all wet in their panties because he'll openly say that weed should be legal, but he's also a racist and anti-choice. Just another old white man who thinks he knows what is best for a woman's uterus.

Fuck Ron Paul





he is a obgyn.  of course he is going to be against aborton but that seems to be insignificant once you start looking into the rest of the issues.  there will never be a perfect candidate who has 100% of your views.  and really abortion is pretty fucked up.     
  if you geted knocked up cause youur a ho and you just dont want to have the kid, then why not give it up for adoption, and at least let your body deal with the experience of childbirth.  you were being a ho so accept at least some of the consequences.  i mean why is it ok to have a termination at 5 mo. of pregnancy but wrong to decide to do the same a day after birth.  or the crack whore who has the baby in secret without anyone even knowing she was pregnant, and decides to just kill it herself as soom as its born by putting it in a trashbag tossing it in a dumpster? whats the difference? other than the method of termination?


--------------------
Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?
o Henry Ford


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: KThunderland]
    #15563973 - 12/23/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

KThunderland said:
he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama



There have probably been a hundred L. Ron threads and tens of thousands of L. Ron posts in the last seven months and you bump this? :banbanban:

By the way, he has no chance.  None.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #15564197 - 12/23/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

KThunderland said:
he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama



There have probably been a hundred L. Ron threads and tens of thousands of L. Ron posts in the last seven months and you bump this? :banbanban:

By the way, he has no chance.  None.





So says the biased zappaisgod.


Let's see, Ron Paul is in first place in Iowa and second place in New Hampshire.  He is also third place nationally and the republican establishment is pissing their pants trying to trash Ron Paul every chance they got.  I'd say he has a pretty good chance.

:ronpaul:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15564228 - 12/23/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

skatealex2 said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

KThunderland said:
he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama



There have probably been a hundred L. Ron threads and tens of thousands of L. Ron posts in the last seven months and you bump this? :banbanban:

By the way, he has no chance.  None.





So says the biased zappaisgod.


Let's see, Ron Paul is in first place in Iowa and second place in New Hampshire.  He is also third place nationally and the republican establishment is pissing their pants trying to trash Ron Paul every chance they got.  I'd say he has a pretty good chance.

:ronpaul:



Why is it a bias if, when I first heard about the guy like 5 years ago or so I checked him out, saw some good stuff, dug deeper, and found THE REST OF THE FUCKING STUFF!  He's a fucking crank.  I checked it out.  I know more about him than you do.  There is no bias.  I come by my hatred cognitively and with no malice aforethought.  I really did check him out.  Quite a while ago.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinei like cow poo
Nature Lover
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/20/09
Posts: 4,041
Loc: Mother Nature's Vagina
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15564327 - 12/23/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

KThunderland said:
he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama



There have probably been a hundred L. Ron threads and tens of thousands of L. Ron posts in the last seven months and you bump this? :banbanban:

By the way, he has no chance.  None.



Ron isnt far behind according to this poll http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/10/juan-williams-surprising-rise-rep-ron-paul/#content

:awesomenod:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAdden
I'm a teapot
Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 39,201
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15564606 - 12/23/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
:ronpaul:

Why is it a bias if, when I first heard about the guy like 5 years ago or so I checked him out, saw some good stuff, dug deeper, and found THE REST OF THE FUCKING STUFF!  He's a fucking crank.  I checked it out.  I know more about him than you do.  There is no bias.  I come by my hatred cognitively and with no malice aforethought.  I really did check him out.  Quite a while ago.




I'll admit for awhile there that I thought this guy was the bees knees until I finally decided to look into him. The closer he gets to my voting booth, the further away I want him to be.

Obama deserves a second term so we can see what can really do. Government failouts and all that other garbage - there's gotta be some hope for this poor fuck. He was thrown into some bullshit, but then again really let a lot of big campaign promises slip through his fingers. Moreso than I thought I'd see.





(0:40 lol)

Quote:

Gastronomicus said:
Fucking druggies, give em a whiff of some kind bud and that's all they can think about.




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #15564630 - 12/23/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

KThunderland said:
he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama



There have probably been a hundred L. Ron threads and tens of thousands of L. Ron posts in the last seven months and you bump this? :banbanban:

By the way, he has no chance.  None.





how does he have no chance? It sounds more like you're trying to help yourself sleep at night instead of actually trying to state a fact.


How many people in this country are in the top tier? what 3?  Ron Paul is in the top 3, out of 300 million people in this country, he is in the top 3. And you try to insist he has no chance? How does one potentially win Iowa and still have no chance? I'm not saying he has a great or even good chance, but none?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehighdroponics
Professional Deadhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 5,574
Loc: Earth, Milky Way Galaxy Flag
Last seen: 11 years, 4 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 3
    #15564681 - 12/23/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I just think it's funny that Zappa has to make mental shortcuts such as calling him L Ron. Only simple-minded fools use shortcuts to get their point across; no wonder he can't grasp the fact that he is being scammed.


--------------------
Dr :ronpaul: says to stop trying to treat the side-effects of big government and focus on the core issues. End the Federal Reserve/audit the gold reserves at Fort Knox, abolish the IRS, end all wars and occupancies, stop the building of an empire that will inevitably fail, and cut all unconstitutional federal programs. Put the power back in the peoples' hands by ending this nanny-state.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAdden
I'm a teapot
Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 39,201
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: highdroponics]
    #15564691 - 12/23/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If zappa's getting scammed then I wanna be scammed too. I'd venture a safe bet that he makes more money and has more assets than most people posting in this thread.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehighdroponics
Professional Deadhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 5,574
Loc: Earth, Milky Way Galaxy Flag
Last seen: 11 years, 4 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Adden] * 4
    #15564702 - 12/23/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Good for him. That wont mean shit when the dollar is not accepted anywhere.


--------------------
Dr :ronpaul: says to stop trying to treat the side-effects of big government and focus on the core issues. End the Federal Reserve/audit the gold reserves at Fort Knox, abolish the IRS, end all wars and occupancies, stop the building of an empire that will inevitably fail, and cut all unconstitutional federal programs. Put the power back in the peoples' hands by ending this nanny-state.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLed Zeppelin
Tripper


Registered: 05/17/10
Posts: 3,962
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: highdroponics]
    #15564857 - 12/23/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

highdroponics said:
Good for him. That wont mean shit when the dollar is not accepted anywhere.




ohhh shit haha


that was good


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinedeXtrous
complete tool
Male


Registered: 04/24/06
Posts: 1,743
Loc: Australia
Last seen: 9 months, 28 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Adden]
    #15564900 - 12/23/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Dystopia said:
If zappa's getting scammed then I wanna be scammed too. I'd venture a safe bet that he makes more money and has more assets than most people posting in this thread.




I see. A woman interpretting wealth as intelligence. Niiiiiice.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAdden
I'm a teapot
Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 39,201
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: deXtrous]
    #15564995 - 12/23/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not female and if you knew anything about zappa you'd know damn well he's worked goddamn hard his whole to life to get what he has. Seems a lot of people, especially when it comes to Ron Paul, don't seem to understand this "working hard" concept or the "you get as much out of it as you put into it" factor.

The chick icon is for shits and grins if it matters.

Case in point I suppose.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinewildchild68
lion in a coma
 User Gallery


Registered: 11/19/07
Posts: 5,115
Last seen: 9 years, 9 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Adden]
    #15565028 - 12/23/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Dystopia said:
Seems a lot of people, especially when it comes to Ron Paul, don't seem to understand this "working hard" concept or the "you get as much out of it as you put into it" factor.




...huh?

are you aware of his policies?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAdden
I'm a teapot
Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 39,201
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: wildchild68]
    #15565036 - 12/23/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSenor_Doobie
Snake Pit Champion
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/11/99
Posts: 22,678
Loc: Trump Train
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Adden]
    #15565687 - 12/24/11 06:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ron Paul wants to dismantle the Federal Reserve.  That's his platform and it's why he is discredited by the corporate media and loved by so many.  Believe me nobody's voting for this guy because of his stance on abortion.


--------------------
"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinethe spiral
Neuroscientist
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 1,769
Last seen: 8 years, 6 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15565692 - 12/24/11 06:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Some of Ron Paul's CIVIL libertarian beliefs are pretty great, like ending the war on drugs.  Dismantling the FDA and making it so our food and drugs are not tested or screened in any way  by the government is, however, one great example of why he will never be elected president.  Or nominated.  If it were up to him, lead paint and CFCs and asbestos would still be perfectly acceptable to use.


--------------------


"A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." - Carl Sagan


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: highdroponics]
    #15565812 - 12/24/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

highdroponics said:
I just think it's funny that Zappa has to make mental shortcuts such as calling him L Ron. Only simple-minded fools use shortcuts to get their point across; no wonder he can't grasp the fact that he is being scammed.



Do you know why I refer to him as L. Ron Paul?  Hint:  It has more to do with you than it does him. 

I haven't been scammed by anybody.  Whatever the rules are I will win.  It's been that way my whole life.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSenor_Doobie
Snake Pit Champion
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/11/99
Posts: 22,678
Loc: Trump Train
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: the spiral]
    #15565900 - 12/24/11 07:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

the spiral said:
Some of Ron Paul's CIVIL libertarian beliefs are pretty great, like ending the war on drugs.  Dismantling the FDA and making it so our food and drugs are not tested or screened in any way  by the government is, however, one great example of why he will never be elected president.  Or nominated.  If it were up to him, lead paint and CFCs and asbestos would still be perfectly acceptable to use.




Good point.  Libertarianism is pretty scary.  It's every man for himself, exploit your neighbor before he exploits you free-for-all.


--------------------
"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15566105 - 12/24/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ron Paul may spoil the party and win republicans, but he won't beat Obama.  Dude is cool.  Don't forget how fucked up Bush made the US..........you'll be paying a trillion dollars over the years for veteran health care because of Bush and his lust for revenge for his father in Iraq.  Sure you killed Saddam, but you're kids and their kids will be paying for veteran care for the next 50 years.

Fuck the Republicans, they say they want to lower taxes and cut government, but in the end they are war mongering douche bags who put you into huge debts and refuse to tax the most wealthy to pay for it.....they'd rather tax the poor.


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSenor_Doobie
Snake Pit Champion
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/11/99
Posts: 22,678
Loc: Trump Train
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15566482 - 12/24/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but Obama's a corporate whore with no illusion of morality or principle.


--------------------
"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehighdroponics
Professional Deadhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 5,574
Loc: Earth, Milky Way Galaxy Flag
Last seen: 11 years, 4 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15566527 - 12/24/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

highdroponics said:
I just think it's funny that Zappa has to make mental shortcuts such as calling him L Ron. Only simple-minded fools use shortcuts to get their point across; no wonder he can't grasp the fact that he is being scammed.



Do you know why I refer to him as L. Ron Paul?  Hint:  It has more to do with you than it does him. 

I haven't been scammed by anybody.  Whatever the rules are I will win.  It's been that way my whole life.





Your ego will be your failure.


--------------------
Dr :ronpaul: says to stop trying to treat the side-effects of big government and focus on the core issues. End the Federal Reserve/audit the gold reserves at Fort Knox, abolish the IRS, end all wars and occupancies, stop the building of an empire that will inevitably fail, and cut all unconstitutional federal programs. Put the power back in the peoples' hands by ending this nanny-state.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: highdroponics]
    #15566537 - 12/24/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

highdroponics said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

highdroponics said:
I just think it's funny that Zappa has to make mental shortcuts such as calling him L Ron. Only simple-minded fools use shortcuts to get their point across; no wonder he can't grasp the fact that he is being scammed.



Do you know why I refer to him as L. Ron Paul?  Hint:  It has more to do with you than it does him. 

I haven't been scammed by anybody.  Whatever the rules are I will win.  It's been that way my whole life.





Your ego will be your failure.




I'm 55 years old.  It's too late for me to be a failure.  Do you know why I call him L. Ron Paul?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15566545 - 12/24/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Irishdrunk said:
Ron Paul may spoil the party and win republicans, but he won't beat Obama.  Dude is cool.  Don't forget how fucked up Bush made the US..........you'll be paying a trillion dollars over the years for veteran health care because of Bush and his lust for revenge for his father in Iraq.  Sure you killed Saddam, but you're kids and their kids will be paying for veteran care for the next 50 years.

Fuck the Republicans, they say they want to lower taxes and cut government, but in the end they are war mongering douche bags who put you into huge debts and refuse to tax the most wealthy to pay for it.....they'd rather tax the poor.




Aren't you a Canuck?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #15566560 - 12/24/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yep, I vote Conservative which would be Republican in the states.  I just like to troll the fuck outta you and Prissy. :awehigh:

(Don't tell anyone tho, otherwise all my posts on that occupy thread might seem trollish!)


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleunam sanctum
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/20/11
Posts: 6,702
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie] * 1
    #15566776 - 12/24/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
Quote:

the spiral said:
Some of Ron Paul's CIVIL libertarian beliefs are pretty great, like ending the war on drugs.  Dismantling the FDA and making it so our food and drugs are not tested or screened in any way  by the government is, however, one great example of why he will never be elected president.  Or nominated.  If it were up to him, lead paint and CFCs and asbestos would still be perfectly acceptable to use.




Good point.  Libertarianism is pretty scary.  It's every man for himself, exploit your neighbor before he exploits you free-for-all.




no that was a dumb fucking point.
so you're gonna buy a product containing CFCs or lead?
and I guess you both think the FDA is real fucking effective huh?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehighdroponics
Professional Deadhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 5,574
Loc: Earth, Milky Way Galaxy Flag
Last seen: 11 years, 4 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15566796 - 12/24/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

highdroponics said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

highdroponics said:
I just think it's funny that Zappa has to make mental shortcuts such as calling him L Ron. Only simple-minded fools use shortcuts to get their point across; no wonder he can't grasp the fact that he is being scammed.



Do you know why I refer to him as L. Ron Paul?  Hint:  It has more to do with you than it does him. 

I haven't been scammed by anybody.  Whatever the rules are I will win.  It's been that way my whole life.





Your ego will be your failure.




I'm 55 years old.  It's too late for me to be a failure.  Do you know why I call him L. Ron Paul?




I know exactly why. You like to make mental shortcuts because you are simple minded and have gotten into a grove of using less of your brain as with the rest of the American majority. Do you know how I know that?

Fact is, zappa, you do not have a deep enough thought process to understand the reality of politics. You are a slave or a peasant in the eyes of those who run multi-billion dollar corporations.

Just because you've accomplished things and haven't failed at anything yet in your life doesn't mean you won't in the future. Tomorrow you could wake up to all your money being valueless and all of your hard work would have been for nothing. What are you going to do then? Exactly what those wall street protesters are doing now who you love so much. Why? Because that is the only way to get people to pay attention other than through terrorism.

You've got to drop the whole "I'm invincible" attitude, you sound like someone who is addicted to something as well as someone who is setting themselves up for sure failure. This mentality right here is one of the biggest problems with America and you're only passing it on by continuing to be that way yourself.


--------------------
Dr :ronpaul: says to stop trying to treat the side-effects of big government and focus on the core issues. End the Federal Reserve/audit the gold reserves at Fort Knox, abolish the IRS, end all wars and occupancies, stop the building of an empire that will inevitably fail, and cut all unconstitutional federal programs. Put the power back in the peoples' hands by ending this nanny-state.


Edited by highdroponics (12/24/11 01:00 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: highdroponics] * 1
    #15567390 - 12/24/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Wouldn't states just outlaw asbestos? And if it was found harmful, couldn't you just sue the companies using it? once one company get's sued for using it, wouldn't the others just stop considering they don't want to gt sued and there would already be a precedent allowing them to be sued


plus on Ron Paul's plan he doesn't touch the FDA, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Nuclear watch agency or most of the other consumer protection agencies
If you're going to judge him, judge him on his plan, Ron's not stupid he understands you can't just get rid of the FDa overnight, obviously it would be a disaster. something like 60-70 percent of his spending cuts come from oversea's


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineEnjoywho
Rags to Bitches
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/06/09
Posts: 20,880
Last seen: 2 years, 6 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Adden] * 1
    #15568219 - 12/24/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Dystopia said:
I'm not female and if you knew anything about zappa you'd know damn well he's worked goddamn hard his whole to life to get what he has. Seems a lot of people, especially when it comes to Ron Paul, don't seem to understand this "working hard" concept or the "you get as much out of it as you put into it" factor.

The chick icon is for shits and grins if it matters.

Case in point I suppose.




Whoa, dick ride much?


--------------------
"I don't give nothin' to nobody, I just pay the cost to do business." - Riley "Young Reezy"-Boondocks

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

"And then the great lord created bears... too many bears... shoulda really dialed back on the bears." Squidbillies

"Can you start speaking words instead of your damn filthy lies!"- Louise "Bobs Burgers"


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinei like cow poo
Nature Lover
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/20/09
Posts: 4,041
Loc: Mother Nature's Vagina
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: highdroponics]
    #15568502 - 12/24/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

all I know is he wants to end the war, hates corporations that influence politicians, hates big government, and wants all drugs legal. All I gotta say is that far surpasses any other fucker out there who is running for president at the current time. Who the fuck else is even close to Ron Paul's level?:awesomenod:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAdden
I'm a teapot
Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 39,201
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #15569128 - 12/24/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

By pointing out a simple fact that he's not just another silly hippie dipshit like 99% of this thread?

Fuck you.


Edit - Oh, and the irony of neo-hippies swarming to a Ron Paul thread on a drug message board because they like weed. gtfo


Edited by Dystopia (12/24/11 11:59 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSenor_Doobie
Snake Pit Champion
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/11/99
Posts: 22,678
Loc: Trump Train
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Adden] * 5
    #15576695 - 12/27/11 02:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You're the only one talking about weed dumbass.

Leave your preconceived notions at the door and read what people are saying instead of assuming.


--------------------
"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineshivas.wisdom
בּ
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,434
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 1 hour, 18 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie] * 1
    #15576716 - 12/27/11 03:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

All this Ron Paul hype has me reminded of the Obamania from just a few years back. I'm surprised how so many of you ardent Ron Paul supporters (some of who were equally ardent towards Obama when it came to the '08 election) don't manage to see any parallels between both campaigns. I hope you're not too disappointed when/if Ron Paul gets elected and he proves to be as much of a let down as Obama was when it came to all of his hyped up 'change'.


Remember, a politician is a politician is a politician.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSenor_Doobie
Snake Pit Champion
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/11/99
Posts: 22,678
Loc: Trump Train
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #15576776 - 12/27/11 03:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It's funny because four years ago at this time I was pulling pretty heavily for Ron Paul.  As were a lot of people on this site.  I remember seeing a hell of a lot more "Vote Ron Paul" signs on people's lawns in '08.  I voted for Paul in the Arizona caucus.  Paul was an extremely popular candidate at this time in '08. 

What are the parallels between Paul and Obama?

Obama had the endorsement of pretty much every "credible" news/opinion outlet, while Paul is all but ignored by the mainstream media. Paul has been a senator for decades while Obama had been a Senator for a fraction of that time.  Paul's major supporters are working class folks.  He receives his support by volume of supporters as compared to gigantic donations made my sparse donors like Obama.

Don't see the parallels.


--------------------
"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15579383 - 12/27/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

to claim paralells between obama and paul would mean one is either lying or they are completely ignorant of the contemporary political situation.


seriously, you couldn't pick two more "perpendicular" candidates throughout history in my opinion


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineshivas.wisdom
בּ
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,434
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 1 hour, 18 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #15579686 - 12/27/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not claiming parallels in their specific political views or campaign position, but parallels in both their supporters ardently viewing both politicians as an indisputable saviour--the idea that 'we make this man president, all our problems will be fixed'.

I don't think such a thing is possible, because all I see is another racist, homophobic, and misogynous, christian millionaire white male capitalist. His interests are not the interests of the common person.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably not a swan.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #15579755 - 12/27/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
It's funny because four years ago at this time I was pulling pretty heavily for Ron Paul.  As were a lot of people on this site.  I remember seeing a hell of a lot more "Vote Ron Paul" signs on people's lawns in '08.  I voted for Paul in the Arizona caucus.  Paul was an extremely popular candidate at this time in '08. 

What are the parallels between Paul and Obama?

Obama had the endorsement of pretty much every "credible" news/opinion outlet, while Paul is all but ignored by the mainstream media. Paul has been a senator for decades while Obama had been a Senator for a fraction of that time.  Paul's major supporters are working class folks.  He receives his support by volume of supporters as compared to gigantic donations made my sparse donors like Obama.

Don't see the parallels.




L. Ron as never been a Senator.  Obama benefited greatly by being ignored by the media.  So has L. Ron.  To this day we still have almost no information about Ofuck's years in college and shortly thereafter.  L. Ron's base worships him just as Ofuck's base did.  They are each the head of a baseless cult of personality.  There are very real parallels.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #15579776 - 12/27/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
It's funny because four years ago at this time I was pulling pretty heavily for Ron Paul.  As were a lot of people on this site.  I remember seeing a hell of a lot more "Vote Ron Paul" signs on people's lawns in '08.  I voted for Paul in the Arizona caucus.  Paul was an extremely popular candidate at this time in '08. 

What are the parallels between Paul and Obama?

Obama had the endorsement of pretty much every "credible" news/opinion outlet, while Paul is all but ignored by the mainstream media. Paul has been a senator for decades while Obama had been a Senator for a fraction of that time.  Paul's major supporters are working class folks.  He receives his support by volume of supporters as compared to gigantic donations made my sparse donors like Obama.

Don't see the parallels.




L. Ron as never been a Senator.  Obama benefited greatly by being ignored by the media.  So has L. Ron.  To this day we still have almost no information about Ofuck's years in college and shortly thereafter.  L. Ron's base worships him just as Ofuck's base did.  They are each the head of a baseless cult of personality.  There are very real parallels.





:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Keep voting for the establishment choice.  A lot of good that does us.  15 trillion dollar debt no big deal right?  Endless war, endless war on drugs, no problem there either. How about taxing Americans a quarter of their earnings to support shitty Government programs which we recieve no benefit from and infringe on our rights, great policy there too.


Edited by skatealex2 (12/27/11 07:05 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #15579797 - 12/27/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

shivas.wisdom said:
I'm not claiming parallels in their specific political views or campaign position, but parallels in both their supporters ardently viewing both politicians as an indisputable saviour--the idea that 'we make this man president, all our problems will be fixed'.

I don't think such a thing is possible, because all I see is another racist, homophobic, and misogynous, christian millionaire white male capitalist. His interests are not the interests of the common person.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably not a swan.





Unlike Obama, Ron Paul has a 30 year voting record to back him up.  If you watch any of his old videos, he's been saying the same things back then that he's saying now.  By ideology, libertarian policies can't be racist.  There is nothing racist about believing in individual responsibility and liberty.  It is the opposite of racism.  Ending the war on drugs and pardoning all white and black people is not racist, nor is being against racial profiling.

Ron Paul's biggest supporters are the American people and the military.  He got where he is not through the media, but from American people supporting his campaign.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15579877 - 12/27/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Zappa,what are you going to say on the 3rd when Paul win's Iowa?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRenzoSupreme
Can you feel the heat, brother?
 User Gallery


Registered: 11/02/11
Posts: 918
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15579894 - 12/27/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I'm down with Ron, but it deeply troubles me..
When Ron Paul is the best shot we have at making any kind of significant difference, it seems bleak..

His chance at nomination seems bleak.

His chance at election, bleak, to say the least.

His chance of getting assassinated if he did get elected?
Tremendous..

Read the writing on the wall, folks.

This ship is sinking. Best be a rat.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15579898 - 12/27/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

skatealex2 said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
It's funny because four years ago at this time I was pulling pretty heavily for Ron Paul.  As were a lot of people on this site.  I remember seeing a hell of a lot more "Vote Ron Paul" signs on people's lawns in '08.  I voted for Paul in the Arizona caucus.  Paul was an extremely popular candidate at this time in '08. 

What are the parallels between Paul and Obama?

Obama had the endorsement of pretty much every "credible" news/opinion outlet, while Paul is all but ignored by the mainstream media. Paul has been a senator for decades while Obama had been a Senator for a fraction of that time.  Paul's major supporters are working class folks.  He receives his support by volume of supporters as compared to gigantic donations made my sparse donors like Obama.

Don't see the parallels.




L. Ron as never been a Senator.  Obama benefited greatly by being ignored by the media.  So has L. Ron.  To this day we still have almost no information about Ofuck's years in college and shortly thereafter.  L. Ron's base worships him just as Ofuck's base did.  They are each the head of a baseless cult of personality.  There are very real parallels.





:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Keep voting for the establishment choice.  A lot of good that does us.  15 trillion dollar debt no big deal right?




Of course it's a big deal.  A big deal that has been increased by the pork he puts in bills he votes against, like a phony and the check he tries to cut but still cashes, like a phony.
Quote:

  Endless war


  War is a result of weakness.  Something the dumb cunt has no understanding of.
Quote:

endless war on drugs, no problem there either.




Something that is not up to the President to change.  Talk to your fellow citizens.  They want it.
Quote:

How about taxing Americans a quarter of their earnings to support shitty Government programs which we receive no benefit from and infringe on our rights, great policy there too.



It doesn't require this insane cunt to cut spending.

http://biggovernment.com/jsshapiro/2011/12/26/exclusive-ron-paul-in-2009-i-wouldnt-risk-american-lives-to-end-the-holocaust/

Quote:

On the evening of Sept. 16, 2009, I was invited to a function for Rand Paul’s U.S. Senate campaign at the headquarters of Americans for Tax Reform.

I had been invited by a friend of mine via Facebook who was a passionate supporter of Ron Paul. Within minutes of arriving, I saw Rep. Paul enter the room, followed by an entourage of several college students.

I immediately walked up to Paul and introduced myself, and Paul smiled at me and shook my hand. I told him that I had always wanted to ask him a question, and that it was a hypothetical question, but I would appreciate his answer nonetheless. Paul smiled, and welcomed the question. At this point there were about 15 people surrounding us, listening.

And so I asked Congressman Paul: if he were President of the United States during World War II, and as president he knew what we now know about the Holocaust, but the Third Reich presented no threat to the U.S., would he have sent American troops to Nazi Germany purely as a moral imperative to save the Jews?

And the Congressman answered:

“No, I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t risk American lives to do that. If someone wants to do that on their own because they want to do that, well, that’s fine, but I wouldn’t do that.”


Paul then looked at me, and I politely thanked him for his time. He smiled at me again and nodded his head, and many of his young followers were also smiling, and nodding their heads in agreement. Clearly, I was the only one in the room who was disturbed by his response.

When I first presented the story of Paul’s comments about the Holocaust to major news media outlets two years ago, they were so stunned they were afraid to publish my story, and as a result it has remained unpublished until now.

I went to great lengths afterwards to learn more about the basis for Paul’s comments. I spoke to Eric Dondero, a former senior aide for Paul, in February 2010. Dondero is quoted in a Weekly Standard article today about Paul’s isolationist beliefs.

When I called Dondero again this morning, and told him I was finally going forward with the story, he told me that Paul had made similar comments to him.

“He told me numerous times it was not worth it to intervene to save the Jews in World War II,” Dondero said. “I don’t think that’s because he’s an antisemite. It’s because he’s an extreme isolationist and he’s trying to be 100% principled–he doesn’t think there’s any reason to intervene for human rights or any other reason anywhere on the planet.”

Calls to Rep. Paul’s congressional office and campaign office last week and this morning were not returned.

The Holocaust of World War II is not the only historical tragedy that Paul’s isolationism would disregard.

In 2007, the Congressman actually faulted Abraham Lincoln for using military force to end slavery in the Civil War: “He shouldn’t have gone to war… Slavery was phased out in every other country in the world and the way I’m advising that it should have been done is do like the British Empire did; you buy the slaves and release them.”




http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/27/ron-paul-hey-you-know-who-started-hamas-israel/


Quote:

Ron Paul: Hey, You Know Who Started Hamas? Israel…

None of this is new, we’ve all known his foreign policy views are about as kooky as they come, but it is a slow news week and he is a top-tier candidate in both Iowa and New Hampshire so I say it’s fair game.




He seems to have a hardon for Jews.  I wonder how he feels about Negroes.

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

We all know quite well how he feels about women's rights.

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15579909 - 12/27/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
Zappa,what are you going to say on the 3rd when Paul win's Iowa?



I'll say it doesn't mean shit.  Which is what you are gonna say when he doesn't.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: RenzoSupreme]
    #15579911 - 12/27/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the ship is sinking,but I think that is why Ron's base is growing the way it has. I know facebook "likes" don't mean much, if anything, but he had a consistent 3 or 4 week span where he was getting 3x-4x the amounts of new likes per day then any of the other members.


If elected, he seriously can just bring the men home. He is commander is cheif, you want to save the ship you got to loose some bloody weight, and he wants to do that abroad as to minimize damage on the homefront economically.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15579976 - 12/27/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
Zappa,what are you going to say on the 3rd when Paul win's Iowa?



I'll say it doesn't mean shit.  Which is what you are gonna say when he doesn't.





Well Clinton, Bush and Obama all won Iowa before becoming president so I'd say it means something.


Edited by skatealex2 (12/27/11 07:42 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15579987 - 12/27/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15580004 - 12/27/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I could argue till my eyes bleed with zappa, it'll be interesting (to say the least) how all this turns out.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul even have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15580044 - 12/27/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

skatealex2 said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
Zappa,what are you going to say on the 3rd when Paul win's Iowa?



I'll say it doesn't mean shit.  Which is what you are gonna say when he doesn't.





Well Clinton, Bush and Obama all won Iowa before becoming president so I'd say it means something.




So did Huckabee, Gore and Kerry.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15580046 - 12/27/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
I could argue till my eyes bleed with zappa, it'll be interesting (to say the least) how all this turns out.



They aren't yet?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15580057 - 12/27/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I've been actually on vacation for the past 2 weeks and I have really cut back on the whole "argue with strangers on teh interwebs!!111!" section of my time. I now


flip coin

1.)smoke more weed
2.) masterbate


some tabs get thrown in along the way, repeat.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCudder
Learner


Registered: 07/19/11
Posts: 496
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15580098 - 12/27/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The funny thing about Ron Paul is that he is the only political figure my grandfather and I have every both liked... haha.
Differant reason I suppose, but not totally.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCudder
Learner


Registered: 07/19/11
Posts: 496
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #15580104 - 12/27/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
I've been actually on vacation for the past 2 weeks and I have really cut back on the whole "argue with strangers on teh interwebs!!111!" section of my time. I now


flip coin

1.)smoke more weed
2.) masterbate


some tabs get thrown in along the way, repeat.





Smoke, then masterbate...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Cudder]
    #15580261 - 12/27/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ron Paul has a chance to beat that fat fuck Gingrich, but Obama will own him in the election. 

Obama is very very intelligent, the republican base has been squirming and trying everything to make sure he's one term, because he's black and the majority of republicans are racist.........

In the end, there is no republican running right now that can beat him, which is why the good candidates are waiting for the following election in 5 years.


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleunam sanctum
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/20/11
Posts: 6,702
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15580336 - 12/27/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:

L. Ron as never been a Senator.  Obama benefited greatly by being ignored by the media.  So has L. Ron.  To this day we still have almost no information about Ofuck's years in college and shortly thereafter.  L. Ron's base worships him just as Ofuck's base did.  They are each the head of a baseless cult of personality.  There are very real parallels.




not true :ronpaul: has a voting record you can take a look at if you want
http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/296/ron-paul

also, gift of gab
http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/public-statements/296/ron-paul


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580337 - 12/27/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Obama's also alienated huge numbers of his backing from when he first started. The economy's shit, the constitution is trampled on under Obama - see Drones, National Defense Authorization Act, Federal Internet Regulation, Consistent Medical Marijuana Raids, we still have many wars going on in other countries, etc...

It seems that Ron Paul has captured a majority of the younger generation now and his support has gotten bigger than before and he may get more support from independents and democrats than anyone else in the GOP.

http://www.infowars.com/new-poll-ron-paul-betters-other-gop-candidates-vs-obama/


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAedan
Male


Registered: 05/06/11
Posts: 950
Loc: the desert
Last seen: 9 months, 3 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580362 - 12/27/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think Ron Paul is the only republican candidate that can beat Obama. He appeals to people on all sides of the political spectrum. I was a democrat who supported Obama, but now I have switched to republican like many others in support of Ron Paul.

Ron Paul would crush Obama in a debate. I can guarantee that.

"Yes we can" won't cut it this time.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetwighead
mͯó
I'm a teapot


Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 29,560
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 13 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Aedan]
    #15580428 - 12/27/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly. People are going to be much more wary of Obama's rhetoric this time around.


--------------------
¿Check out some art m8?



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineB0b0
Sage
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/23/11
Posts: 1,343
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: twighead]
    #15580502 - 12/27/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Paul doesn't have a real chance of beating Obama, assuming he gets the Rep nomination. His homophobia and the racist comments he allowed in his newsletter will come back to haunt him. Also this is a guy who thought we shouldn't have fought in WWII, soon as that shit comes up in a debate, he's toast. I like most of Pauls politics, but the guy IMO is a bit to radical for most americans to take serious, i don't even have to tell ya that...how many times has this guy run for the Rep nomination and come up short?!

He also threats the jobs of many a drug lobbyist, he's gonna get deflects from all sides...in either case good luck to him, tho i doubt it'll get'em anywhere.

http://rightwingnews.com/election-2012/statement-from-fmr-ron-paul-staffer-on-newsletters-anti-semitism/


--------------------


Edited by B0b0 (12/27/11 09:27 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCudder
Learner


Registered: 07/19/11
Posts: 496
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: twighead]
    #15580517 - 12/27/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

twighead said:
Exactly. People are going to be much more wary of Obama's rhetoric this time around.




Are you kidding?
This is America!
As long as he is dressed alright he will get votes.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: B0b0]
    #15580531 - 12/27/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

New poll just released.  Iowa Public Policy Polling.

Paul 24% (+1)
Romney 20% (+0)
Gingrich 13% (-1)
Bachmann 11% (+1)
Perry 10% (+0)
Santorum 10% +0)
Huntsman 4% (+0)
Roemer 2%


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...-his-lead.html


"Iowa Republicans support Romney over Paul 22-20. But Dems/indys planning to vote prefer Paul 39-12"

The last week and a half has brought little change in the standings for the Iowa Republican caucus: Ron Paul continues to lead Mitt Romney by a modest margin, 24-20. Newt Gingrich is in 3rd at 13% followed by Michele Bachmann at 11%, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum at 10%, Jon Huntsman at 4%, and Buddy Roemer at 2%.

Paul's strength in Iowa continues to depend on a coalition of voters that's pretty unusual for a Republican in the state. Romney leads 22-20 with those who are actually Republicans, while Paul has a 39-12 advantage with the 24% who are either independents or Democrats. GOP caucus voters tend to skew old, and Romney has a 34-12 advantage with seniors. But Paul's candidacy looks like it's going to attract an unusual number of younger voters to the caucus this year, and with those under 45 he has a 35-11 advantage on Romney. The independent/young voter combo worked for Barack Obama in securing an unexpectedly large victory on the Democratic side in 2008 and it may be Paul's winning equation in 2012.

Paul continues to have much more passionate support than Romney. 77% of his voters are firmly committed to him, compared to 71% for Romney. Among voters who say their minds are completely made up Paul's lead expands to 7 points at 28-21. If Paul's lead holds on through next Tuesday it appears he'll have won this on the ground- 26% of voters think he's run the strongest campaign in the state to 18% for Bachmann and 10% for Santorum with just 5% bestowing that designation to Romney. There's also an increasing sense that Paul will indeed win the state- 29% think he'll emerge victorious with 15% picking Romney and no one else in double digits.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 9 hours, 21 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15580548 - 12/27/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit better arguments than some of you. :archiebunker:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCudder
Learner


Registered: 07/19/11
Posts: 496
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #15580556 - 12/27/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Does anybody else think Ron Paul looks kindof Like Timothy Leary?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: B0b0]
    #15580577 - 12/27/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

B0b0 said:
Paul doesn't have a real chance of beating Obama, assuming he gets the Rep nomination. His homophobia and the racist comments he allowed in his newsletter will come back to haunt him. Also this is a guy who thought we shouldn't have fought in WWII, soon as that shit comes up in a debate, he's toast. I like most of Pauls politics, but the guy IMO is a bit to radical for most americans to take serious, i don't even have to tell ya that...how many times has this guy run for the Rep nomination and come up short?!

He also threats the jobs of many a drug lobbyist, he's gonna get deflects from all sides...in either case good luck to him, tho i doubt it'll get'em anywhere.

http://rightwingnews.com/election-2012/statement-from-fmr-ron-paul-staffer-on-newsletters-anti-semitism/




b0bo is realistic.......Paul has some decent ideas but the majority of his ideas are way too radical for most of America to vote for him.  Sure, I agree with a bunch of his ideas, but some of it is so fucked up.  If WW2 had continued without the USA, Russia would run the entire European continent, and there would be no German wall falling, it would all be communist.  Communism has a few good ideas if it worked, but it doesn't work and everyone suffers.


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCudder
Learner


Registered: 07/19/11
Posts: 496
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580584 - 12/27/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Alot of the Shroomery supports him, which IMO is saying something...

I'm sure if he campaigns well he could at least have a good shot.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineshivas.wisdom
בּ
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,434
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 1 hour, 18 minutes
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15580610 - 12/27/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

skatealex2 said:
The independent/young voter combo worked for Barack Obama in securing an unexpectedly large victory on the Democratic side in 2008 and it may be Paul's winning equation in 2012.



And there, ladies and gentlemen, is your parallel. Basically all the folks who jumped on the Obama bandwagon and then became instantly disillusioned once he actually made it into office, are now doing the same for Ron Paul. Hope you aren't getting your hopes up too high this time around.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580617 - 12/27/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I like the guy, but if he was president there would be so much in-certainty that the markets would take a giant shit, and that's a bad thing especially when the markets are already vulnerable.  Obama is already pulling out of Bush's wars, who gives a shit if Paul wants to pull out, its already being done in a much more sensible way.  He wants to tear up the system, but he's way too radical.  There's almost no chance of him becoming the next Republican candidate, so why even have this conversation?  He's too left for the republicans, and way too radical for the dems.


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580673 - 12/27/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

quit the rhetoric 'Drunk, Obama isn't having any troops come home, he is just re positioning them around the middle east.

Plane and simple, Obama is for the military industrial complex, for the Fed, for more wars without a declaration of congress, and in favor of succeeding our sovereignty to third party org's like the UN.

Paul wants to end foreign aid indiscriminately, that is by far the most logical way to handle our spending problem. Cut abroad. And Don't even act like Obama hasn't fucking ducked on virtually every one of his promises, whether it's MMJ or bringing the troops home right away

plus Obama is a KEYNESIAN, Paul abides by the Austrian school of economics, should we not have the choice?


Paul will murder Obama if he gets to debate with him, the question is why would we put anyone else up on stage to debate Obama besides Ron Paul? Is there any difference between the others and Obama that's significant enough to save the ship?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskatealex2
////////////////
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/04/08
Posts: 18,699
Last seen: 3 months, 26 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #15580675 - 12/27/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

shivas.wisdom said:
Quote:

skatealex2 said:
The independent/young voter combo worked for Barack Obama in securing an unexpectedly large victory on the Democratic side in 2008 and it may be Paul's winning equation in 2012.



And there, ladies and gentlemen, is your parallel. Basically all the folks who jumped on the Obama bandwagon and then became instantly disillusioned once he actually made it into office, are now doing the same for Ron Paul. Hope you aren't getting your hopes up too high this time around.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."





Yes but in this case Ron Paul has a 30 year voting record and history to back it up.  Who also has had a movement slowly blding up for a long time.  Obama had no record and was relatively unknown when he got big in the race, this time it's different.  Even if Ron Paul vetoed half the bills that got pushed through congress he would be much better than Obama.

I don't think ending wars overseas, war on drugs, getting government out of internet and our personal lives, and cutting government spending is so radical.  He wouldn't be ale to do everything he wants to do but Ron Paul has even said that himself.  Ultimately if Ron Paul won that would mean the mindset in the country has changed about Government and people wnat less Government so to speak.

Obama broke a lot of his promises but he didn't even have a voting record to back it up which is why I didn't vote for Obama or anyone in the last election.


Edited by skatealex2 (12/27/11 09:56 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15580706 - 12/27/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

whoever pretends that Obama is anti war has got to be fucking kidding me

Quote:

After Jon Brennan, President Obama’s top counterterrorism adviser, claimed in June that no civilians had been killed in US drone attacks in nearly a year, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism reported that at least 45 civilians were killed in 10 US attacks during that period.

Overall, drone strikes in Pakistan have killed 780 civilians, including 175 children. The bureau documents 309 CIA drone strikes carried out since 2004 that have killed as many as 2,997 people. Over 85 percent were launched by the Obama administration, an average of one strike every four days. Yet the casualties of the US drone war rarely receive mention in the corporate media, except when described as “Islamic militants” or “suspected terrorists.” This is challenged not only by the bureau’s data, but also by gruesome photographs of drone victims taken by local journalists.

The Guardian described the images captured by Noor Behram, a journalist from the North Waziristan region of Pakistan, whose work appeared in an exhibition at London's Beaconsfield gallery in August:

The photographs make for difficult viewing and leave no doubt about the destructive power of the Hellfire missiles unleashed: a boy with the top of his head missing, a severed hand, flattened houses, the parents of children killed in a strike. The chassis is all that remains of a car in one photo, another shows the funeral of a seven-year-old child. There are pictures, too, of the cheap rubber flip-flops worn by children and adults, which often survive: signs that life once existed there. A 10-year-old boy's body, prepared for burial, shows lipstick on him and flowers in his hair – a mother's last loving touch.




at least if we nominate Paul we will have someone who offers a different look at foreign policy on stage, there is virtually no difference in foreign policy between Obama and Ginrich/Romney etc.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #15580857 - 12/27/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
quit the rhetoric 'Drunk, Obama isn't having any troops come home, he is just re positioning them around the middle east.

Plane and simple, Obama is for the military industrial complex, for the Fed, for more wars without a declaration of congress, and in favor of succeeding our sovereignty to third party org's like the UN.

Paul wants to end foreign aid indiscriminately, that is by far the most logical way to handle our spending problem. Cut abroad. And Don't even act like Obama hasn't fucking ducked on virtually every one of his promises, whether it's MMJ or bringing the troops home right away

plus Obama is a KEYNESIAN, Paul abides by the Austrian school of economics, should we not have the choice?


Paul will murder Obama if he gets to debate with him, the question is why would we put anyone else up on stage to debate Obama besides Ron Paul? Is there any difference between the others and Obama that's significant enough to save the ship?




HA, keep believing the republican bullshit dude.  Keep in mind Obama had the balls to pull off Bin Ladens raid, Bush Jr.'s dad was insulted by the guy but Bush Jr missed the opportunity to kill the guy because hes a pussy.  Republicans have a 20 point lower intelligence rating and it shows with these republican candidates.  It's a joke dude, Obama's going to win and I'll bet your ass 1000$.......I don't mind exploiting your stupidity for 1000$.......you up for it?  I know I'm good for 1000$ and will pay if he loses, but are you good for your word?

Your party has failed and failed and failed, yet you keep saying OH THE NEXT ONE WILL BE AWESOME.......RON PAUL WILL TEAR UP THE SYSTEM!  Sadly Ron Paul will only be the president who is in office while the chinks take over.  That's all he'll be remembered for if he wins.


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePatrickKn
I'm a teapot

Registered: 07/10/11
Posts: 20,564
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580865 - 12/27/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

To those planning on voting for Ron Paul, don't forget to register as a republican soon so you can vote in the primaries. Don't make the same mistakes as 2008. Just a heads up.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15580884 - 12/27/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ya, we'd all like to know who cheated their way through highschool and college, maybe someone will uncover you all as idiots who cheated.


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580905 - 12/27/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Drunk I come from a predominantly left-leaning family and community, I've been immersed in the rhetoric, I've heard all the 'strawmen' and all the other rhetoric towards republicans, shit for my life I believed a shit ton of it.

I'm arguing for a Paul vs. Obama ticket. That way we ALEAST have the chance to choose between a VETERAN with support from our military who supports a non interventionist foreign policy, and who can properly debate Obama's keynesian views on economics.


The erosion of civil liberties, the market manipulation and the meddling in foreign business is what I disagree with most about the democratic party. If you want to support Obama, by all means it is your right. But to argue that Obama has not lied and that Obama is actually "anti-war" is fucking ignorant man.

You know damn well Obama's campaign was bought and paid for by the fucking crooks responsible for the housing mess, he doesn't represent the people's interest, he is only now trying to meander to the anti-war base that he aroused back in '08.

Ron Paul is the peace candidate, unless the congress declared war. Then we could go to war. that's all he wants is to go the constitutional way


Edited by realfuzzhead (12/27/11 10:50 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15580964 - 12/27/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Obama passed health care reform, remember the last time that happened?  I don;t.......Sure, it helps the poor.....but it's better to spend money on American poor people than some other continent...

It's supposed to be the greatest country in the world, but poor people die every day due to lack of money for treatment....while millions of Africans get aid from the US.........start treating your own people first.  WTF.

As for the biggest negative Obama is known for.........the bail-out was completely required to save the country from a chain effect of banks going bankrupt.  If he hadn't done it, the whole country would be in a DEEP DEPRESSION.  Any president would have done the same.  The sad thing is that some of those banks took the money they needed, and with the earnings they gave their execs huge bonuses, which shouldn't have happened, but no one at the time imagined that would happen.

IMO Obama has done a good job, sure some things happened but they were unimaginable at the time.  He's been pretty good internationally, ending the Iraq occupation as soon as he promised, fuck who cares what they do now that the US is gone, its their problem.  He ramped up Afghan presence, which should have been the focus in the first place, and hes slowly turning around the economy from what would have been a depression under a republican president.


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15580976 - 12/27/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

As for human rights, you'd rather condemn gay war hero's for what they were born with than honor them for what they do for the country?  And you'd rather force rape victims to bear children from the rapist?  Lets not forget about stem cells..........something that is hugely important for future health sciences, but banned if republicans have their way.


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisible404
error
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/20/10
Posts: 14,539
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15580977 - 12/27/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

skatealex2 said:
Does Ron Paul have a chance to get voted in by the mainstream and enough of the underground?


Ether way he is in his 70's so I think this is his last shot.

:ronpaul: :potleaf:





No. This is why:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePatrickKn
I'm a teapot

Registered: 07/10/11
Posts: 20,564
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15580984 - 12/27/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Irishdrunk said:
As for human rights, you'd rather condemn gay war hero's for what they were born with than honor them for what they do for the country?  And you'd rather force rape victims to bear children from the rapist?  Lets not forget about stem cells..........something that is hugely important for future health sciences, but banned if republicans have their way.



You're assuming quite a bit about this guy on the basis that he runs on a republican ticket.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #15580992 - 12/27/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If he goes independent and changes some of his racist shit, I'll change my mind.


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePatrickKn
I'm a teapot

Registered: 07/10/11
Posts: 20,564
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15581043 - 12/27/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Why should he run as an independent when he can run as a republican and change the ideas within the party?

On homosexual members of the military: "To me, this seems like an awful waste. Personal behavior that is disruptive should be subject to military discipline regardless of whether the individual is heterosexual or homosexual. But to discharge an otherwise well-trained, professional, and highly skilled member of the military for these reasons is unfortunate and makes no financial sense."

He has voted to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell.

On Stem Cells and Abortion, I disagree with his personal stances, however he repeatedly votes for a states right to determine it's own laws regarding both, which is something I entirely agree with.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIrishdrunk
Democracy? We Deliver!!!
Male User Gallery
Registered: 09/12/03
Posts: 24,201
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #15581052 - 12/27/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I didn't know that.  I shall go buy another bottle of whiskey and consider this.  Paul suddenly seems tempting........


--------------------
:awesome:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,287
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 5 months, 24 days
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15583173 - 12/28/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No, no chance.

Especially not now w/ the media suddenly clued into his racist newsletter.

I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on the bandwagon, so for the record I was talking here about all this racist bullshit almost four years ago.

Quote:

“[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”

“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

“We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.”

“The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.”

“The criminals who terrorize our cities—in riots and on every non-riot day—are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to “fight the power,” and to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is justified against ‘The Man.’ And ‘The Woman.’’”

“My friend waved to the tiny [African-American] child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue, and said (somewhat tautologically): “I hate you, white honkey.” And the parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way?” [As a matter of fact, Paul has appeared on a radio program called “The Political Cesspool,” which has featured the neo-Nazi twin pop stars Prussian Blue. –ed.]

“But this is normal, and in fact benign, compared to much of the anti-white ideology in the thoroughly racist black community. The black leadership indoctrinates its followers with phony history and phony theory to bolster its claims of victimology.”

“Korean-Americans, hated by blacks, never riot, and in fact are some of the most productive people in America (the reason for black hatred).”

“The cause of the riots is plain: barbarism. If the barbarians cannot loot sufficiently through legal channels (i.e., the riots being the welfare-state minus the middleman), they resort to illegal ones, to terrorism.”

“We must not kowtow to the street hoodlums and their sanctimonious leaders.”

“Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots.”

“Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country.”

“Blacks have ‘civil rights,’ preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black beauty contests, black TV shows, black TV anchors, black scholarships and colleges, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.”





--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk] * 1
    #15584041 - 12/28/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Irishdrunk said:
If he goes independent and changes some of his racist shit, I'll change my mind.



You're a Canuck.  Nobody gives a shit if you change your mind about L. Ron.  Go vote for Steven Harper.  Nobody gives a shit about that either.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #15584049 - 12/28/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
No, no chance.

Especially not now w/ the media suddenly clued into his racist newsletter.

I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on the bandwagon, so for the record I was talking here about all this racist bullshit almost four years ago.





You and me both, pal.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMisterMuscaria
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 27,646
Loc: Flag
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15584074 - 12/28/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Knowing how things usually go I think Romney will beat him, but Im pretty sure he will beat Gingrich, Santorum, Bachman, etc.


I think Romney will win the election even though I dont plan to vote for him...or paul or obama for that matter...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinerealfuzzhead
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/03/10
Posts: 10,783
Loc: above the smog layer Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #15585046 - 12/28/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVahunter
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/28/11
Posts: 313
Loc: Georgia
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #15585129 - 12/28/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Obama doesn't deserve another chance. What is this a nintendo game? Get outta here.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLed Zeppelin
Tripper


Registered: 05/17/10
Posts: 3,962
Last seen: 3 years, 4 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Irishdrunk]
    #15585495 - 12/29/11 12:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Irishdrunk said:
Quote:

realfuzzhead said:
quit the rhetoric 'Drunk, Obama isn't having any troops come home, he is just re positioning them around the middle east.

Plane and simple, Obama is for the military industrial complex, for the Fed, for more wars without a declaration of congress, and in favor of succeeding our sovereignty to third party org's like the UN.

Paul wants to end foreign aid indiscriminately, that is by far the most logical way to handle our spending problem. Cut abroad. And Don't even act like Obama hasn't fucking ducked on virtually every one of his promises, whether it's MMJ or bringing the troops home right away

plus Obama is a KEYNESIAN, Paul abides by the Austrian school of economics, should we not have the choice?


Paul will murder Obama if he gets to debate with him, the question is why would we put anyone else up on stage to debate Obama besides Ron Paul? Is there any difference between the others and Obama that's significant enough to save the ship?




HA, keep believing the republican bullshit dude.  Keep in mind Obama had the balls to pull off Bin Ladens raid,




you really believe you were told the truth about this whole Bin Laden thing. the truth is none of us ever know the truth about world events. there is shit that happens in YOUR OWN town that you don't know the full story about. what makes you think you know the full story on a world event? get real.

and what you said about the 'chinks taking over'. they are already taking us over. remember there are two ways to take over a country, 'by sword and by debt'. the chinese are taking us over by debt. ron paul is the only one proposing a system that will fix the dollar and our debt


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineB0b0
Sage
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/23/11
Posts: 1,343
Last seen: 3 years, 3 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15586119 - 12/29/11 07:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Beating the dead horse here, but Ron realistically doesn't have a chance.

One, this article, which i think tunes into the majority of thinking of the US voting populous.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/29/ron-paul-s-rise-hurts-the-gop-and-helps-obama.html

Quote:


Few of Ron Paul’s enthusiastic supporters actually expect their curmudgeonly, 77-year-old champion to win election as president of the United States, but they nonetheless plan to give him their votes in Republican primaries in order “to send a message” to the GOP and the nation at large.

But what, exactly, is the message that impassioned Paulestinians mean to convey if, as expected, the controversial congressman places first or second in the upcoming Iowa caucuses and goes on to show surprising strength in subsequent contests?

Any honest assessment of Ron Paul’s unconventional campaign suggests that whatever successes it manages to achieve can send only two signals, both of them disastrous to Republican prospects and the conservative cause.

First, and most obviously, increased attention to the perplexing Paul phenomenon only serves to strengthen the core argument for Barack Obama’s reelection: that today’s Republicans have become a wild and crazy bunch, harboring oddball, irresponsible notions that place them far outside the American mainstream and make them untrustworthy when it comes to the serious business of governance.

Leave aside the recent publicity for Dr. Demento’s 20-year-old newsletters, studded with outrageous racist and anti-Semitic comments—which the candidate now claims he never read, but which appeared over his signature, and for which he received generous payment from eager subscribers, amounting to tens of thousands of dollars at the very least.

Much more recently, in the midst of this latest of his three campaigns for the presidency, he has endorsed the outrageous doctrine of “nullification”—suggesting that states have the right to reject federal laws or regulations they dislike, and disregarding well-established constitutional law that was settled by Andrew Jackson in the 1830s and Abraham Lincoln (along with 300,000 dead Union soldiers) during the Civil War.

Association with 9/11 conspiracy theorists has destroyed the credibility of numerous figures in public life–even forcing the resignation of Van Jones, perhaps the most loathsome left-wing loony in the Obama administration. But Ron Paul has flirted with such paranoid delusions for years, appearing regularly on the freakazoid radio show of arch-conspiracist Alex Jones (who accuses George Bush and the New World Order of planning the extinction of the human race)  and telling one of his senior congressional aides (Eric Dondero) shortly after Sept. 11 that “the attacks were coordinated with the CIA, and that the Bush administration might have known about the attacks ahead of time.”

When leading GOP strategists acknowledge that the Republicans can only build long-term success for their party by reaching out more successfully to blacks, Hispanics, and Jews, Dr. Paul reemphasized just a few weeks ago his opposition to the celebrated Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which most Republicans in Congress enthusiastically supported at the time).

In his most recent book, Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect Our Freedom (published in 2011), Paul singles out Zionism as one of those “essential issues”—and suggests that the national liberation movement of the Jewish people somehow affects “our freedom” negatively. He also associates himself with the hateful, laughably ahistorical Palestinian doctrine of “Temple Denial”—refusing, apparently, to accept Biblical accounts of the two Jewish temples that flourished in Jerusalem over a period of nearly 900 years beginning with King Solomon.  In his book, Dr. Paul goes out of his way to note “that Jerusalem (Palestine), through many centuries, was under Jewish rule for only about 170 years … Dozens of other regimes occupied the land for much longer periods of time. For instance, Muslims ruled Jerusalem for 1,191 years.”

Concerning more recent history, Paul’s former congressional aide and long-time campaign worker Eric Dondero recently wrote a piece for LibertarianRepublican.net in which he attempted to defend his former boss against charges of anti-Semitism and racism relating to his newsletters. But he frankly allowed that “Ron Paul is most assuredly an isolationist….I can tell you straight out, I had countless arguments/discussions with him over his personal views. For example, he strenuously does not believe the United States had any business getting involved in fighting Hitler in WWII…When pressed, he often brings up conspiracy theories like FDR knew about the attacks of Pearl Harbor weeks beforehand, or that WWII was just ‘blowback’ for Woodrow Wilson’s foreign policy errors, and such.”

These eccentric, detestable views may play little role in the Republican primary campaign but David Axelrod, James Carville, and other Democratic operatives will make them a major focus of their ferocious efforts to depict the GOP as a haven for whack-jobs, religious kooks, cranks, losers, greedy-one-per-centers, and anti-American extremists. Every additional vote cast for the Mad Doctor in the primaries, every additional delegate he secures, will only help Team Obama in using his prominence in the nomination fight to discredit the entire Republican Party.

Which brings us to the second poisonous message broadcast to the nation’s undecided voters by any and all scraps of Ronulan progress in the primary process: the notion that the Republican Party remains hopelessly divided, helpless to cope with its most oddly obsessed activists, and utterly unable to provide the unifying, competent leadership that most Americans crave.

In the all-but-certain event that Ron Paul fails to secure the GOP nomination, the convention in Tampa must still decide how to handle the maverick candidate and his fanatically devoted supporters. Given his ongoing refusal to commit to supporting the party’s ultimate nominee this is, to put it mildly, a delicate proposition. After his feeble primary showing in 2008, it hardly mattered that Dr. Paul refused to participate in the Republican convention and instead gathered his true-believers at his very own “counter convention” across town in St. Paul (a city which, contrary to popular belief, was not named after the candidate). There, various 9/11 Truthers, UFO believers, Bilderberg aficionados, Third Party dreamers, and Jesse Ventura held forth on their pet causes, while the crotchety candidate himself went on to throw his support to four fringe-party contenders (Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr) while denying his endorsement, pointedly, to John McCain and Sarah Palin.

If, after gathering more notable support in caucuses and primaries across the country, Paul repeats this petulant performance in 2012, the impact on GOP chances in the general election could be catastrophic. He repeatedly insists he has no current intention of launching an independent candidacy (and his closest associates see scant chance that he’d make the race) but he also refuses to answer whenever questioned about his willingness to support the Republican ticket.

Unless he changes his tune and unabashedly embraces Romney, Gingrich, Perry, or whichever rival comes out of primary season with a majority of delegates, it’s inconceivable that convention organizers would grant him the high-profile, prime-time speaking slot he demands.

How could GOP strategists possibly invite Dr. Demento to address the assembled delegates (and, through the wonders of live television, the rest of the country) without some iron-clad assurance that he wouldn’t use the occasion to trash the party itself and its newly selected candidates?

It’s difficult, if not impossible, to imagine a reassuring  “unity photo” from the Tampa convention showing Ron Paul joining the other also-rans lifting arms at the podium together with the victor who has beaten them. The more support angry voters provide to Paul protest candidacy the more inconceivable that image becomes, and the more likely the reelection of Obama and Biden.

By far the best outcome for those who yearn above all to replace the Democrat in the White House would be to witness the rapid, well-deserved fizzle of the Paulian insurgency.  This sort of quick collapse remains a distinct possibility—with a disappointing showing in Iowa followed by even more limited support that polls presently predict in the other early primary states. If Paul winds up with less than 10 percent of the national Republican vote, he would merit only an obscure position at the convention, reassuring the broader public that if you refuse to disavow support from open Nazis and unrepentant Ku Kluxers—as Dr. Paul explicitly refuses to do, in interviews recently with The New York Times and four years ago on my radio show—you will find no comfortable home in today’s Republican Party.

Voters who might feel tempted to express discontent with the status quo by casting a ballot for Ron Paul during primary season still understand that backing him in any third party bid would bring disaster to the conservative cause; in the general election, it’s obvious that a vote for Ron Paul would amount to  a vote for Barack Obama.

But even in caucuses and primaries, the prospective rise of “Paul Power” would cripple Republican chances for the climactic contest, conveying the impression of a GOP that nourishes angry extremists and remains painfully divided, headed toward crushing defeat at the hands of an unworthy foe in a fateful election that should have been winnable.






I agree with most of Ron's politics but i think this article nails the reality of american politics.


Two, the man is too old. History has shown americans haven't elected a president in his 70s unless he was the incumbent.

Quote:


Washington - 57
J. Adams - 61
Jefferson - 57
Madison - 57
Monroe - 58
J. Q. Adams - 57
Jackson - 61
Van Buren - 54
W. H. Harrison - 68
Tyler - 51
Polk - 49
Taylor - 64
Fillmore - 50
Pierce - 48
Buchanan - 65
Lincoln - 52
A. Johnson - 56
Grant - 46
Hayes - 54
Garfield - 49
Arthur - 50
Cleveland - 47
B. Harrison - 55
Cleveland - 55
McKinley - 54
T. Roosevelt - 42
Taft - 51
Wilson - 56
Harding - 55
Coolidge - 51
Hoover - 54
F. D. Roosevelt - 51
Truman - 60
Eisenhower - 62
Kennedy - 43
L. B. Johnson - 55
Nixon - 56
Ford - 61
Carter - 52
Reagan - 69
G.H.W. Bush - 64
Clinton - 46
G. W. Bush - 54
Barack H. Obama - 47


Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_old_were_the_presidents_when_they_were_inaugurated#ixzz1hw3D5PfK





Anecdotal i know, but i think age will play a part in the way many americans will view the "strength" of their candidates. Especially with such a gap in age difference with between Obama & Ron (if Rep nominated). However, Obama is the first black president, so america's first 70+ president at inauguration doesn't seem too far fetched.


--------------------


Edited by B0b0 (12/29/11 06:48 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKonyap


Registered: 06/30/07
Posts: 33,945
Loc: Planet Piss
Last seen: 4 years, 2 months
Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: B0b0]
    #15586322 - 12/29/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i know a buncha people voting for ron paul or not voting or they just dont discuss politics in general


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13  [ show all ]

Shop: PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Mushroom-Hut Liquid Cultures   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* The Ron-De-Vous - "Trip So Wild" LearyfanS 1,768 6 12/04/10 04:13 PM
by Learyfan
* Congress caught making false entries in Wikipedia SourceLimit 2,913 19 02/06/06 09:09 PM
by Koala Koolio
* Paul McCartney on Pink Floyd (mp3)
( 1 2 all )
LearyfanS 3,876 22 02/15/05 06:04 PM
by afoaf
* My new front I am going republican Anonymous 1,143 10 03/21/04 12:56 PM
by psikooz
* "Is Paul Dead? - The Great Hoax" (mp3s) LearyfanS 1,312 4 06/19/05 10:37 PM
by Vvellum
* Conservative christian right wing Republican straight white American males... Hooty 988 2 02/02/05 12:43 AM
by blissedout
* Paul McCartney
( 1 2 3 all )
pinkfloydms 3,493 46 02/09/05 04:29 PM
by blackroselove
* So...Paul McCartney is dead
( 1 2 all )
dblaney 2,900 33 07/13/05 10:41 PM
by Le_Canard

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
11,744 topic views. 5 members, 40 guests and 39 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.11 seconds spending 0.016 seconds on 14 queries.