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OfflinePatlal
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Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal?
    #14383196 - 05/01/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I know... It'll never happen.... but lets say the next prez is a hippy and decides to legalize some drugs. Where do you think that president should draw the line?


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14383216 - 05/01/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

None. Some should maybe be heavily regulated but not illegal.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #14383218 - 05/01/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Meth, strong opiates like heroin, and PCP. Every other drug serves some purpose.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Baybadays] * 3
    #14383233 - 05/01/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Legalize them all for non-minors.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: anomaly100716]
    #14383234 - 05/01/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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None. Some should maybe be heavily regulated but not illegal.




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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: lil_demented]
    #14383239 - 05/01/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Im surprised of the answers so far..

I expected:  They should all be legal and be available in every corner store


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14383243 - 05/01/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd make alcohol illegal unless you distill/brew it yourself.  And I agree harder drugs should be regulated.  Shrooms and weed should be mandatory at least 4 times a year each.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14383253 - 05/01/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I want them all legal. But we need things like safe injection sites for the harder drugs.
If they were all legal, we'd spend more money on research on them and possibly make them safer.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: unam sanctum] * 4
    #14383258 - 05/01/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

everything.  You should have the personal freedom to decide what you put in your body.  If it kills you, it is your fault.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14383267 - 05/01/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

mdpv

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14383271 - 05/01/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There shouldn't be a line. Harder/dangerous ones should be more strongly regulated - eg, given to addicts by pharmacists etc. Realistically though, it should start with cannabis legalisation, then progressing in time to soft drugs, then progressing again.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: DrMambo]
    #14383282 - 05/01/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Dont legalize acid, If you do regulate it like no fucking other. I dont want dick heads running around with free access to vials and strips all day long, or batshit crazy assholes vial dosing unsuspecting people. So much bad shit would happen if it was legal.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14383330 - 05/01/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Dont legalize acid, If you do regulate it like no fucking other. I dont want dick heads running around with free access to vials and strips all day long, or batshit crazy assholes vial dosing unsuspecting people. So much bad shit would happen if it was legal.



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Fuck that. A man should be able to choose himself what he can and cannot create/put in his own body.

All drugs legal.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14383333 - 05/01/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

just sell it in big marshmallows


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: propensity]
    #14383342 - 05/01/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Dont legalize acid, If you do regulate it like no fucking other. I dont want dick heads running around with free access to vials and strips all day long, or batshit crazy assholes vial dosing unsuspecting people. So much bad shit would happen if it was legal.



:picard::picard::picard:

Fuck that. A man should be able to choose himself what he can and cannot create/put in his own body.

All drugs legal.




Yeah, when they cause problems while using their drug of choice, they should get in trouble for it and be put on probation. Drugs aren't a problem till they cause a problem.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: DrMambo]
    #14383355 - 05/01/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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just sell it in big marshmallows



Hahah why is that such a great idea


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: anomaly100716]
    #14383468 - 05/01/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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None. Some should maybe be heavily regulated but not illegal.




I disagree with that statement. America, and by proxy western culture, is not mature and responsible enough to handle certain drugs being legal. Not yet anyways.... the moment shrooms were made legal and readily available, is the moment tens and thousands of people would be getting themselves way over their heads... Before any drug (with the exception of cannabis and certain other obscure compounds) the goverment would have to undue the 60 or so odd years of propaganda and fear mongering theyŕe been spewing.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: StatuesCryBleeding] * 2
    #14383501 - 05/01/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Bring back the opium dens.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: propensity]
    #14383506 - 05/01/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dont care what any of you say. I would not feel comfortable having acid widely available in our society. Its too potent. I had someone tell me once If they had a vile of acid they "could" go dose anyone they wanted. I dont want some asshole dropping a whole vial on me for any reason what so ever. If it was legal I want it to be regulated tighter then most other drugs. limit the amount you can buy per person per month and make a few governmental regulated and produced sellers. Keep track of who buys how much and when and when they buy a certain amount prohibit further selling of it for however "X" amount of time.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14383517 - 05/01/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't make any drugs legal. I would make them all controlled and accessible only by prescription. Doctors should decide if we are healthy enough to consume drugs.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: propensity]
    #14383529 - 05/01/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dont care what any of you say. I would not feel comfortable having acid widely available in our society. Its too potent. I had someone tell me once If they had a vial of acid they "could" go dose anyone they wanted. I dont want some asshole dropping a whole vial on me for any reason what so ever. If it was legal I want it to be regulated tighter then most other drugs. limit the amount you can buy per person per month and make a few governmental regulated and produced sellers. Keep track of who buys how much and when and when they buy a certain amount prohibit further selling of it for however "X" amount of time.

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Dont legalize acid, If you do regulate it like no fucking other. I dont want dick heads running around with free access to vials and strips all day long, or batshit crazy assholes vial dosing unsuspecting people. So much bad shit would happen if it was legal.



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Fuck that. A man should be able to choose himself what he can and cannot create/put in his own body.

All drugs legal.




Yeah, when they cause problems while using their drug of choice, they should get in trouble for it and be put on probation. Drugs aren't a problem till they cause a problem.




Yeah well how do you help someone who gets a ridiculous amount of acid unwillingly put in their body by someone else who had easy legal access to it. I have this fear because Ive been too close to the scenario at a festival. Jail for one person isn't going to justify the large dosing another has to suffer from.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Coaster]
    #14383551 - 05/01/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

They should all be legalized without any regulation.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Yacub]
    #14383554 - 05/01/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so middle schoolers should have access to pcp?


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Coaster]
    #14383564 - 05/01/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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so middle schoolers should have access to pcp?



Yes.  I wish I did back then.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Coaster]
    #14383572 - 05/01/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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so middle schoolers should have access to pcp?




They already do. :shrug:


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Yacub] * 1
    #14387013 - 05/02/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wouldn't make any drugs legal. I would make them all controlled and accessible only by prescription. Doctors should decide if we are healthy enough to consume drugs.



Why the fuck should a doctor tell me what I can and can't do with my own body? What gives a doctor the right to tell me if I'm healthy enough to do something? I think that's a stupid idea, personally.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Baybadays] * 1
    #14387028 - 05/02/11 06:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Meth, strong opiates like heroin, and PCP. Every other drug serves some purpose.



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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Coaster] * 2
    #14387032 - 05/02/11 06:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wouldn't make any drugs legal. I would make them all controlled and accessible only by prescription. Doctors should decide if we are healthy enough to consume drugs.



new coaster's not as smart as old coaster  :frown:


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: AntiEverything]
    #14387052 - 05/02/11 06:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wouldn't make any drugs legal. I would make them all controlled and accessible only by prescription. Doctors should decide if we are healthy enough to consume drugs.



new coaster's not as smart as old coaster  :frown:



Yeah, that's like the least original-coaster thing to say :lol:


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Baybadays]
    #14387107 - 05/02/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I wouldn't make any drugs legal. I would make them all controlled and accessible only by prescription. Doctors should decide if we are healthy enough to consume drugs.



new coaster's not as smart as old coaster  :frown:



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Meth, strong opiates like heroin, and PCP. Every other drug serves some purpose.



Meth and heroin serve a purpose you twat.

Keep bromo-dragonfly illegal. Oh wait its already legal :shoosh:


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14387127 - 05/02/11 07:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Keep bromo-dragonfly illegal. Oh wait its already legal 




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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: anomaly100716]
    #14387306 - 05/02/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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None. Some should maybe be heavily regulated but not illegal.




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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: robbyberto]
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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14387352 - 05/02/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Patlal said: lets say the next prez is a hippy and decides to legalize some drugs.




Minor technical quibble:
The president can't legalize all drugs any more than he could take away all guns.
It's not in his job description, that all happens in Congress.

(Executive Order is a technical possibility, but completely implausible, he'd be impeached and/or killed.)


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14387474 - 05/02/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

None, fuck prohibition.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14387788 - 05/02/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Personally, from what I have read above.

Doctor prescribing drugs = stupid... no doctor would prescribe drugs cause they know they are bad for your health... therefore it would go against their ethics.

As for the 'doctors cant tell me if im heathy enough to get drugs' = Idiot comment. Doctors would in theory be the best and most qualified people to tell you what to put in your body...

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Patlal said: lets say the next prez is a hippy and decides to legalize some drugs.




Minor technical quibble:
The president can't legalize all drugs any more than he could take away all guns.
It's not in his job description, that all happens in Congress.

(Executive Order is a technical possibility, but completely implausible, he'd be impeached and/or killed.)




Yes I know... but lets just say the congress is for...

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None. Some should maybe be heavily regulated but not illegal.




Equally bad bad comment.

If its regulated, that means they are useful in specific circumstances. Therefore, nobody would qualify cause there is no need for anyone to snort coke, meth or shoot up heroin. Heroin has been replaced by equally effective and less dangerous drugs that are already being used.

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everything.  You should have the personal freedom to decide what you put in your body.  If it kills you, it is your fault.




Dumbest comment yet. That would mean the government would be directly involved in facilitating someones 'suicide'...


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14387830 - 05/02/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So you asked for opinions so you could call everybody who disagrees with you dumb?

Dude, I'm done with your trollish ways. :thumbdown:


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14387835 - 05/02/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

legalize cocaine, Darwin awards begin


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    #14387843 - 05/02/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So you asked for opinions so you could call everybody who disagrees with you dumb?

Dude, I'm done with your trollish ways. :thumbdown:




Nah, I thought I'd get some smart answers. Decent, plausible, realistic ways of moving towards legalisation. All I got was irrealistic answers.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14387860 - 05/02/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So you asked for opinions so you could call everybody who disagrees with you dumb?

Dude, I'm done with your trollish ways. :thumbdown:




Nah, I thought I'd get some smart answers. Decent, plausible, realistic ways of moving towards legalisation. All I got was irrealistic unrealistic answers.



Who's dumb now?


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    #14387867 - 05/02/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So you asked for opinions so you could call everybody who disagrees with you dumb?

Dude, I'm done with your trollish ways. :thumbdown:




Nah, I thought I'd get some smart answers. Decent, plausible, realistic ways of moving towards legalisation. All I got was irrealistic unrealistic answers.



Who's dumb now?




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So you asked for opinions so you could call everybody who disagrees with you dumb?

Dude, I'm done with your trollish ways. :thumbdown:




Nah, I thought I'd get some smart answers. Decent, plausible, realistic ways of moving towards legalisation. All I got was irrealistic unrealistic answers.



Who's dumb now?




lol. Nobody cares about grammar anymore. Its the internet...



Spelling, not grammar.
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    #14387907 - 05/02/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    #14387920 - 05/02/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sieg Heil!

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    #14387929 - 05/02/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I dont care what any of you say. I would not feel comfortable having acid widely available in our society. Its too potent. I had someone tell me once If they had a vile of acid they "could" go dose anyone they wanted. I dont want some asshole dropping a whole vial on me for any reason what so ever. If it was legal I want it to be regulated tighter then most other drugs. limit the amount you can buy per person per month and make a few governmental regulated and produced sellers. Keep track of who buys how much and when and when they buy a certain amount prohibit further selling of it for however "X" amount of time.



:facepalm:

I think you are living under the delusion that making things illegal makes them go away.

You can still get acid, you know. It's out there. The only difference is that it's usage and distribution is not regulated.


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    #14387935 - 05/02/11 10:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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everything.  You should have the personal freedom to decide what you put in your body.  If it kills you, it is your fault.




Dumbest comment yet. That would mean the government would be directly involved in facilitating someones 'suicide'...




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I dont care what any of you say. I would not feel comfortable having acid widely available in our society. Its too potent. I had someone tell me once If they had a vile of acid they "could" go dose anyone they wanted. I dont want some asshole dropping a whole vial on me for any reason what so ever. If it was legal I want it to be regulated tighter then most other drugs. limit the amount you can buy per person per month and make a few governmental regulated and produced sellers. Keep track of who buys how much and when and when they buy a certain amount prohibit further selling of it for however "X" amount of time.



:facepalm:

I think you are living under the delusion that making things illegal makes them go away.

You can still get acid, you know. It's out there. The only difference is that it's usage and distribution is not regulated.



and you could get a DOx RC or some other shit because of that :yesnod:

IMO the drugz that should remain illegal are the ones that are prone to deliver harm to people other than the user himself. But according to that logic they should ban alcohol, no?


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    #14388048 - 05/02/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'll bet everything I have that the war on drugs cannot end without the fall of capitalism.


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    #14388263 - 05/02/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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everything.  You should have the personal freedom to decide what you put in your body.  If it kills you, it is your fault.




Dumbest comment yet. That would mean the government would be directly involved in facilitating someones 'suicide'...




:lol: So is the government directly involved in millions of tobacco-related deaths? What about alcohol-related deaths?

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everything.  You should have the personal freedom to decide what you put in your body.  If it kills you, it is your fault.




Dumbest comment yet. That would mean the government would be directly involved in facilitating someones 'suicide'...




:lol: So is the government directly involved in millions of tobacco-related deaths? What about alcohol-related deaths?

I nominate your comment as the dumbest comment in this entire thread.



Seconded. How is the government "directly" involved if you choose to buy a product, ANY product, from a PRIVATE organization and decide to kill yourself with it? By that logic car accidents are the governments fault, ban cars!


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    #14388307 - 05/02/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

because its legal.

I agree though its a dumb comment but a lot of people are in fact sheeple :tongue: they blindly copy and accept establishment.  Thats why we invented armies, so they can blindly join and concentrate that into our war machine.

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    #14388331 - 05/02/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That would be indirect involvement, the primary responsibility is on the user! :heart:
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    #14388333 - 05/02/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A lot of drug-related deaths (by overdose) are caused by people not knowing exactly what drug (or the potency of said drug) they are using. Most of the OD's I hear from the opiate users on this site seem pretty "accidental"... as in... they misjudged their dose with a product that was far more potent than expected. This sort of thing is far less likely to occur in a regulated legal market where the potency is listed on the bottle.


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everything.  You should have the personal freedom to decide what you put in your body.  If it kills you, it is your fault.




Dumbest comment yet. That would mean the government would be directly involved in facilitating someones 'suicide'...




:lol: So is the government directly involved in millions of tobacco-related deaths? What about alcohol-related deaths?

I nominate your comment as the dumbest comment in this entire thread.



Seconded. How is the government "directly" involved if you choose to buy a product, ANY product, from a PRIVATE organization and decide to kill yourself with it? By that logic car accidents are the governments fault, ban cars!




I would agree, but unfortunatly I thought a little further than that.

Alcohol is too engrained in society and tobacco actually was promoted by doctors back in the 50s. If the governement illegalized tobacco and alcohol, it would create way more trouble than good...

Doesn't take a genius to realise that

At leaset the governement realised its mistake and is trying to tax tobacco companies out of business, they are putting anti tobacco adds everywhere. They constantly promote drinking with moderation. Its a long term project. Then again...despite all of that, kids are still stupid enough to light up and some people are dumb enough to drink and drive.



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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Mind Transcribing]
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That would be indirect involvement, the primary responsibility is on the user! :heart:
Why are some so adamant about the government protecting us from ourselves?





Indeed.  Adamant on them protecting I am not.  Simply observing our majority copying over independent thinking :smile:


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    #14388857 - 05/02/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Alcohol is too engrained in society and tobacco actually was promoted by doctors back in the 50s.




Irrelevant, doctors used to promote heroin and cocaine. Both were found in over the counter cold medicines at the start of the 20th century, and heroin was described by doctors as 'completely non addictive'.


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    #14388874 - 05/02/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The fuck are you talking about no drugs should be illegal.


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The fuck are you talking about no drugs should be illegal.



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    #14388904 - 05/02/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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None. Some should maybe be heavily regulated but not illegal.




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I wouldn't make any drugs legal. I would make them all controlled and accessible only by prescription. Doctors should decide if we are healthy enough to consume drugs.




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The fuck are you talking about no drugs should be illegal.



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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14388908 - 05/02/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No make acid legal, just not easy for any nitwit to buy. I have some shitty HPPD from an acid trip and I hear that comes from impurities. So I do want a top notch chemist making my LSD. But no one should be able to go to Walgreens if its legal and buy a vial with hundreds of doses. Thats irresponsible, because a vial under legalization wouldn't be the bullshit $300-$1000 it is now. It would be like 50 bucks. And most people arent smart enough to use acid appropriately when having access to those amounts. Youll see what I mean within a few years after its legality if it ever happens.


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    #14388940 - 05/02/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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No make acid legal, just not easy for any nitwit to buy. I have some shitty HPPD from an acid trip and I hear that comes from impurities. So I do want a top notch chemist making my LSD. But no one should be able to go to Walgreens if its legal and buy a vial with hundreds of doses. Thats irresponsible, because a vial under legalization wouldn't be the bullshit $300-$1000 it is now. It would be like 50 bucks. And most people arent smart enough to use acid appropriately when having access to those amounts. Youll see what I mean within a few years after its legality if it ever happens.




I agree, at first things might get sort of crazy, but once people became better educated or actually TRIED the drugs...I bet use would return to normal levels. It's like...if crack, or coke, or heroin, or meth became legal tomorrow I sure as fuck wouldn't go out and do it. I don't want to do those drugs cause I know what they can do to people...and I think most informed people would agree. The people who are going to do the drugs are going to do them regardless if they're legal or not.

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The fuck are you talking about no drugs should be illegal.



what about anthrax?




What about Anthrax?
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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14389222 - 05/02/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So you want realistic answers for a unrealistic question.

Your first statement ("Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs.") is for itself a bad beginning.

Psychoactive substances shouldn't be a toy for the masses, so if a gov would think about legalizing drugs they should first start about educating people about them.
I'm not talking about subjective opinions, but objective things on what we know, such as active principles, possible effects, dosages, etc., above all respect for these substances.

Afterwards that same gov could start by something analogue to koffee shops in Holland, wanna smoke weed? Sure, you can buy high quality weed in many of them, get pretty high and whatever, all legal. Of course the place should be adapted to the type of substance, it wouldn't be much fun taking an acid in a regular coffee probably.

Ensuring high quality products, conditions and environment to do so, and different "appropriate" places where you can if you want to.
Simply legalizing it anyway, anytime, anywhere won't just work in the real world you live in :shrug:

Having said this, none should be illegal.


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The fuck are you talking about no drugs should be illegal.



what about anthrax?




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    #14389464 - 05/02/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So you want realistic answers for a unrealistic question.

Your first statement ("Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs.") is for itself a bad beginning.

Psychoactive substances shouldn't be a toy for the masses, so if a gov would think about legalizing drugs they should first start about educating people about them.
I'm not talking about subjective opinions, but objective things on what we know, such as active principles, possible effects, dosages, etc., above all respect for these substances.

Afterwards that same gov could start by something analogue to koffee shops in Holland, wanna smoke weed? Sure, you can buy high quality weed in many of them, get pretty high and whatever, all legal. Of course the place should be adapted to the type of substance, it wouldn't be much fun taking an acid in a regular coffee probably.

Ensuring high quality products, conditions and environment to do so, and different "appropriate" places where you can if you want to.
Simply legalizing it anyway, anytime, anywhere won't just work in the real world you live in :shrug:

Having said this, none should be illegal.




Great post,

It is true that if the currently illegal drugs were to be legal, the government could ensure quality (not cutting coke with a bunch of crap).

The issue I wonder the most about is: how would the government be able to keep someone from abusing an addictive drug?

Lets say someone goes to do coke in a coke shop for example, how often would you allow that same person to buy cocaine? As much as he wants? (aka, government being the pusher) or limit him to a maximum dose a day? (which would create a black market for the ones that want to go over that limit)

IMO, legalisation would be a last resort solution to stopping the black market and prevent crimes commited by a addict with no cash.


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    #14389569 - 05/02/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How does the government keep someone from abusing ANY legal/prescription drug right now?
They can't.

Do they limit the amount of alcohol you can buy? No?
Could I go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy enough vodka to kill myself ten times over? Yes.  Could I go RIGHT NOW and buy two bottles of aspirin and kill myself? Yes.

If someone wants to abuse something, whether it be a legal or illegal drug. They Will.

It's not the government's job or anyone else's to stop them. The government should have NO SAY in what anyone CHOOSES UNDER THEIR OWN FREE WILL TO PUT IN THEIR OWN BODIES. Period. End of story.

And if someone is stupid enough to kill themselves through an addiction of a harmful substance... then I say let them.
Don't make it illegal so no one else can have any fun either.

What they CAN do, if all drugs are legal, is regulate them so that only quality drugs are available.

And all that TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars they save every year from not incarcerating non-violent drug offenders could be used for EDUCATION, rehabilitation programs and addiction treatment. Education being the key word. An ounce of prevention is worth 20 lbs of cure. In this instance, you would teach people that doing cocaine 50 times a day is probably bad for your health. If they choose to ignore that, fuck 'em.

At least they would have a reliable and clean supply.

If all drugs are legalized and regulated, no it wouldn't be a perfect utopian society.
But it would pretty much regulate itself. The retards would kill themselves off on heroin binges or whatever in the first couple weeks.
And life would continue on as it always has been, with a lot less bullshit in our society.


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    #14389816 - 05/02/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol you guys are :stupid: and dont know what you are doing

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    #14390006 - 05/02/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Love all of Shroomism's points.

But for the safety of the shop keepers, I'd say that addictive drugs would need to be sold at a high-security place-- much like the more progressive dispensaries here. It would deter crime from addicts-- which I think is a valid concern in the case of some drugs.

Also, rehab programs would need to be more widely available (or easier to enter), I would think. Although this is not a necessity, it is a consideration. More social programs as a result of drug legalization...


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    #14390155 - 05/02/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All of the less harmful drugs such as cannabis should be fully legalized. Our government has gone completely ban hapy it seems and it's become too controlled. I have the Libertarian point of view where if it isn't harming anybody else there shouldn't be a problem.
As for the 'harder' drugs, well I'm torn; on the one hand I'd like to see Heroin addicts get their stuff pure from the labs and not that cut up street filth, but I don't see it being beneficial to market drugs like that and make them readily available for the average Joe, so I lean towards regulation on that front...strict regulation, on the premise that not everybody is a responsible drug user.


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    #14390187 - 05/02/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they should keep all scripts legal and just illegalize all those harmful natural ones


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14390203 - 05/02/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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How does the government keep someone from abusing ANY legal/prescription drug right now?
They can't.

Do they limit the amount of alcohol you can buy? No?
Could I go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy enough vodka to kill myself ten times over? Yes.  Could I go RIGHT NOW and buy two bottles of aspirin and kill myself? Yes.

If someone wants to abuse something, whether it be a legal or illegal drug. They Will.

It's not the government's job or anyone else's to stop them. The government should have NO SAY in what anyone CHOOSES UNDER THEIR OWN FREE WILL TO PUT IN THEIR OWN BODIES. Period. End of story.

And if someone is stupid enough to kill themselves through an addiction of a harmful substance... then I say let them.
Don't make it illegal so no one else can have any fun either.

What they CAN do, if all drugs are legal, is regulate them so that only quality drugs are available.

And all that TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars they save every year from not incarcerating non-violent drug offenders could be used for EDUCATION, rehabilitation programs and addiction treatment. Education being the key word. An ounce of prevention is worth 20 lbs of cure. In this instance, you would teach people that doing cocaine 50 times a day is probably bad for your health. If they choose to ignore that, fuck 'em.

At least they would have a reliable and clean supply.

If all drugs are legalized and regulated, no it wouldn't be a perfect utopian society.
But it would pretty much regulate itself. The retards would kill themselves off on heroin binges or whatever in the first couple weeks.
And life would continue on as it always has been, with a lot less bullshit in our society.




I agree with what you say. Especially the billions saved to put towards something else.

Although, sure you could buy a shit ton of aspirine to kill yourself, but that is voluntary suicide. The problem with the drugs is that most people who kill themselves do it because of their ever increasing tolerance. On occasion, sure, its a legit suicide.

The goal here would be to have the drugs legal and not regulate the drugs themselves, but the users.

The thing is. If its legal, the government must ensure that they dont kill their own citizens. My guess would be, if you want to buy cocaine, do it BUT you HAVE to register with the governement so they can 'check up' on you. It sounds like you would have the government hands up your ass. But on the plus side, you would get proper services, clean seringes, quality products and most importantly, no fear of getting arrested.

It would be a trade off... No cops hunting you down or gangs selling you shit BUT we gotta know who you are and everytime you buy, all your info on your purchase must be registered for medical purposes and shit. Of course, at a much lower price... cause lets face it, if coke was legal, it would be as cheap as booze..

That is the way I could see it happening. Of course there would be a different way of doing it depending on the type of drug.

Does that make any sense? Would you be willing to play by the rules if you had it cheap and legal?


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    #14390212 - 05/02/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

UK's activist group "Transform" has the best, most realistic plan for distributing ALL dangerous drugs, they just use different levels of control where appropriate. It went something like....

weed... same level of control as coffee but you have to be 18

coca leaves..... like coffee or tea, sold in grocery store
cocaine....  is cut 50% with non-toxic cut, can only buy a bit at a time, must be an adult, buy it from a pharmacy or licensed narcotics shop
freebase... prescription only

low dose opiates...  available in abuse-resistant gel tabs OTC for adults
injectable heroin/coke/fent... prescription only

+Heavy warning labels on everything that tells you dosage, side effects, contradictions,

+forbid advertising narcotics etc



This is the best system IMHO. You can always get what you want without going to the black market, but the least-dangerous drugs (or forms of drugs) are a bit more readily available.


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    #14390216 - 05/02/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No fuck that shit.

Readily available in purity for me to choose when and how much I put in my body.

With proper drug education everyone would know how to be a responsible drug user. If they choose to ignore this, let them die.


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    #14390230 - 05/02/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Also interesting to note that they classify most of the psychedelics as non-toxic, minimally dangerous, and not requiring serious controls:mushroom2:


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: propensity]
    #14390252 - 05/02/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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No fuck that shit.

Readily available in purity for me to choose when and how much I put in my body.

With proper drug education everyone would know how to be a responsible drug user. If they choose to ignore this, let them die.




This. Fuck registering with the government so that I can do drugs. SO MANY things wrong with that idea-- I can't even begin.


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    #14390272 - 05/02/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that your actions are ultimately your own responsibility. However, I think it would be unreasonable for someone to sell injectable heroin to anybody who asks. Some things do need some control. Don't get me wrong though, i'm 100% against prohibition for the same reasons you just listed.


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    #14390296 - 05/02/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you have no control then you have big corporations step in with "This crack-rock's for you!" and glamorize and push the stuff like alcohol and cigs. You know they wouldn't be pushing LSD or mushrooms either.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Satival]
    #14390307 - 05/02/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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    #14390351 - 05/02/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

They would profit more selling addictive and destructive drugs.


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    #14390377 - 05/02/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, don't think that you should be able to buy a pre-loaded heroin and pcp syringe at the gas station next to the slim jims


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Satival]
    #14390385 - 05/02/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

of course not

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    #14390401 - 05/02/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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of course not

you should have to go to walmart




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    #14390407 - 05/02/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All drugs should be legal, though perhaps regulated by the government to ensure purity and reliable dosage. People should be made aware of the legitimate danger to using certain drugs, and children should not be given access.

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    #14390430 - 05/02/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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All drugs should be legal, though perhaps regulated by the government to ensure purity and reliable dosage. People should be made aware of the legitimate danger to using certain drugs, and children should not be given access.

Badda-bing badda-boom.




Truth and information about drugs would lower addiction potential and instead of wasting money fighting this stupid pointless, neverending war on drugs they could use the money for more rehab centers with better treatment.


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    #14390467 - 05/02/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What's up with all these people wanting regulation by the government ? That's what got us to where we are today. The best thing the government can do is wash their hands of the issue.


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    #14390560 - 05/02/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

After thinking about it a bit more... Yeah maybe you guys are right. With the internet anybody can just google and learn about drugs these days. However, I still think that you should have to be 19 to buy drugs including alcohol, cigs, weed, etc. What do you guys think about that?


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14392884 - 05/03/11 04:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The goal here would be to have the drugs legal and not regulate the drugs themselves, but the users.
The thing is. If its legal, the government must ensure that they dont kill their own citizens. My guess would be, if you want to buy cocaine, do it BUT you HAVE to register with the governement so they can 'check up' on you. It sounds like you would have the government hands up your ass. But on the plus side, you would get proper services, clean seringes, quality products and most importantly, no fear of getting arrested.




Agreed until this.
For USA for example, they legalize weapons, isn't that giving the civilians means to kill themselves?

Also don't you think that if the government were to start controlling the amounts of drug taken/available for one person this same person would eventually have to buy it from a dealer?
I think your issue here is not the legalization of drugs by itself but dealing with the addicts, this is still a problem nowadays, only they'll probably kill for a dose of cut shit, and probably take it from a pretty used syringe.

Dealing with this isn't easy now nor will it ever be, the thing is, a probably well educated people with legal access to drugs won't probably lead to so many addiction problems as you see nowadays.
Also there are sometimes many other issues behind an addiction problems, and I think that betting on helping these people wouldn't also be a bad idea.
Detox, rehabilitation programs, and put them working in return, learning to do something.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: pouihi]
    #14393972 - 05/03/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

marijuana & mushrooms should defiantly be legal. :laugh:

but things like acid and alcohol personally i don't think should be legal, not that i don't like them, but alot of people in America just can't handle it and making it such a easy to get item is just stupid.

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    #14393987 - 05/03/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I hate the way that people assume the legalisation will immediately lead to everyone trying all the drugs they can. It simply won't happen. If a person isn't interested in a drug today, the won't be when it's legalised.


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    #14394031 - 05/03/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i'd say keep pcp illegal. shits whack.

but really, make em all legal and have information provided for each of them, such as dosage and their effects, as well as some things to keep in mind while taking psychedelics.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: propensity] * 1
    #14394033 - 05/03/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I agree with what you say. Especially the billions saved to put towards something else.

Although, sure you could buy a shit ton of aspirine to kill yourself, but that is voluntary suicide. The problem with the drugs is that most people who kill themselves do it because of their ever increasing tolerance. On occasion, sure, its a legit suicide.

The goal here would be to have the drugs legal and not regulate the drugs themselves, but the users.

The thing is. If its legal, the government must ensure that they dont kill their own citizens. My guess would be, if you want to buy cocaine, do it BUT you HAVE to register with the governement so they can 'check up' on you. It sounds like you would have the government hands up your ass. But on the plus side, you would get proper services, clean seringes, quality products and most importantly, no fear of getting arrested.

It would be a trade off... No cops hunting you down or gangs selling you shit BUT we gotta know who you are and everytime you buy, all your info on your purchase must be registered for medical purposes and shit. Of course, at a much lower price... cause lets face it, if coke was legal, it would be as cheap as booze..

That is the way I could see it happening. Of course there would be a different way of doing it depending on the type of drug.

Does that make any sense? Would you be willing to play by the rules if you had it cheap and legal?




I sort of see what you are saying, but then......

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No fuck that shit.

Readily available in purity for me to choose when and how much I put in my body.

With proper drug education everyone would know how to be a responsible drug user. If they choose to ignore this, let them die.




THIS.

None of this government regulating how much of drug A and B I can buy or put in my own body. FUCK THAT SHIT.

My point about being able to kill myself with Vodka from the store right now isn't any different.

The problem is you are expecting government to protect junkies from themselves.
Not gonna happen.
We have to educate. Educate. EDUCATE. INFORM PEOPLE about the drugs they are putting in their bodies, so they can make INFORMED DECISIONS about what they are ingesting. Then if they choose to ignore that, and destroy themselves.. FUCK EM.

Legalizing drugs isn't going to turn everyone into junkies. Most people are already aware of the dangers of certain drugs and wouldn't try them even if they were legal.

Again, I'm gonna say it again.

I consider ALCOHOL one of the most destructive drugs on the planet. Worse than coke. It is addictive, it destroys you, it's much more socially accepted. Therefore it's way more dangerous to society.

That shit is legal. Anyone over 21 can go ruin their lives with it legally.

I don't walk around on the streets telling people not to drink - it's their fucking life. I support everyone's right to put whatever the fuck they want in their body even if it destroys them. I may throw a warning or two.

It's not the governments job to tell someone how much they can drink/how much coke they can do.

People should be allowed to consume whatever the fuck they want. They should be educated and informed so that they are making conscious, informed decisions. But they should be allowed to consume whatever the fuck they want without LEGAL consequences.

PCP, Crack, Heroin, all legal. You just have to be of a certain age, and they would have a big ass warning sticker on the side: Warning, This shit is fucking nuts and may make you go crazy or whatever.


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    #14394235 - 05/03/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Personally would be happy if weed, lsd, dmt, shrooms, and psychedelics were legal.
Legalization of heroin and crack wouldn't be something I'd be too concerned about:rofl: 
For heroin and crack I think it should be kept under the counter out of sight, so some douche doesn't just see a ten dollar bag of crack and decides because hes bored that day he'll try it. :chococrack:
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    #14394244 - 05/03/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is what's wrong with this picture. Everyone thinks only the drugs THEY like should be legalized. You're missing the point completely.

I like LSD, DMT, and XYZ too. I hate alcohol. HATE. But I think it should remain legal and I think anyone should have the right to drink it.

"I don't like crack so it should be illegal". :dudewtf:

What are you, the drug guru who decides what's right or wrong for everyone else based on your limited subjective reality?

Isn't that EXACTLY what the government does RIGHT NOW? The drugs THEY like are legal, the ones they don't like are illegal.

Who are YOU to say what people can't handle?

Are you saying that people can't responsibly use coke, or heroin? Because I know they can.

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    #14394315 - 05/03/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:werd:

I bet 90% of the people claiming "PCP SHOULD BE ILLEGAL THO!!!" have never tried it... so that makes them equally as retarded as the people who keep weed illegal because they haven't tried it and think its the devil too.


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    #14394486 - 05/03/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

None of this government regulating how much of drug A and B I can buy or put in my own body. FUCK THAT SHIT.

My point about being able to kill myself with Vodka from the store right now isn't any different.

The problem is you are expecting government to protect junkies from themselves.
Not gonna happen.
We have to educate. Educate. EDUCATE. INFORM PEOPLE about the drugs they are putting in their bodies, so they can make INFORMED DECISIONS about what they are ingesting. Then if they choose to ignore that, and destroy themselves.. FUCK EM.

Legalizing drugs isn't going to turn everyone into junkies. Most people are already aware of the dangers of certain drugs and wouldn't try them even if they were legal.

Again, I'm gonna say it again.

I consider ALCOHOL one of the most destructive drugs on the planet. Worse than coke. It is addictive, it destroys you, it's much more socially accepted. Therefore it's way more dangerous to society.

That shit is legal. Anyone over 21 can go ruin their lives with it legally.

I don't walk around on the streets telling people not to drink - it's their fucking life. I support everyone's right to put whatever the fuck they want in their body even if it destroys them. I may throw a warning or two.

It's not the governments job to tell someone how much they can drink/how much coke they can do.

People should be allowed to consume whatever the fuck they want. They should be educated and informed so that they are making conscious, informed decisions. But they should be allowed to consume whatever the fuck they want without LEGAL consequences.

PCP, Crack, Heroin, all legal. You just have to be of a certain age, and they would have a big ass warning sticker on the side: Warning, This shit is fucking nuts and may make you go crazy or whatever.




I completely understand your point of view.

Although, imagine we were close to legalization, you ave to put things in perspective.

Since it was illegal for decades and the governemnt decides to make it legal, it sure as hell won't let the drugs run freely. I seriously doubt the governement would just get out of the picture... The government craves control and they won't let hard drugs go without supervision. They can't actually.

lets take a approximate number, 90%. 90% of the citizen in the country are against drugs and don't do them. If the governement decides to legalize them, they will get a shit load of complaints from worried citizens that don't want junkies on PCP running around in the neighborhood where their children play.

People will require safety. They will need to know that the situation will be under control and that nobodies safety will be compromised.

That being said. The government would never trust its own citizen with legal hard drugs with control. I would not either. Too many idiots out there to give them responsibility of their usage.


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    #14394631 - 05/03/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The way some of you speak it seems like making it illegal is solving the problem.

Drugs are still available to anyone who wants them, you just end up having low quality product and will probably ingest chemicals that aren't drugs and won't do you any good.

A few years ago in my country 4 kids decided that it would be fun to play with Datura, they made some tea and the 4 ended up in the hospital, 1 died.

Anyone can pick up a mushroom and eat it, anyone can take any plant and ingest it and anyone can buy any drug in the nearest dealer.

The problem to begin with is treating these substances as taboos, "forbidden fruits" which sometimes even make some wanting them more for that.
Education, Information, Awareness.
Keeping the masses dumb works great for gov. How many people actually think marijuana is the devil itself and responsible for numerous deaths??? And probably while smoking their cigarette and drinking their whiskey?
It's non-sense.
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    #14394730 - 05/03/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That being said. The government would never trust its own citizen with legal hard drugs with control. I would not either. Too many idiots out there to give them responsibility of their usage.




You missed at least one point of the comment you quoted. People are already allowed to freely consume as much alcohol as they can carry out of a liquor store, get as drunk as they like, and beat their wife/kids, attack someone at a bar, etc.  Nothing is stopping them from doing it.  They will get arrested afterwards but so would hard drug users.  If people are afraid of someone using pcp in their neighborhood they should already be terrified because it is very likely they have an alcoholic or two in their midst.

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    #14394744 - 05/03/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: pouihi]
    #14394758 - 05/03/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

90% is a huuuge over-estimate.

The safety comes from the education.

And another problem with your theory, Patlal, is that the government already trusts it citizens with hard drugs. How many times does alcohol need to be mentioned?


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Halsfield]
    #14394761 - 05/03/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That being said. The government would never trust its own citizen with legal hard drugs with control. I would not either. Too many idiots out there to give them responsibility of their usage.




You missed at least one point of the comment you quoted. People are already allowed to freely consume as much alcohol as they can carry out of a liquor store, get as drunk as they like, and beat their wife/kids, attack someone at a bar, etc.  Nothing is stopping them from doing it.  They will get arrested afterwards but so would hard drug users.  If people are afraid of someone using pcp in their neighborhood they should already be terrified because it is very likely they have an alcoholic or two in their midst.

The law has to be about crimes committed and not substances consumed.




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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: propensity]
    #14394764 - 05/03/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It is absolutely impossible for the vast majority of Americans to accept that alcohol is absolutely worse for your (mental and physical) health than heroin. Even though it is true.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14394800 - 05/03/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All or nothing, you can't play the pimp and the prostitute because that is what the government does already. I think there will be a day where drug penalties are minimal and focus more on helping the addict rather than tossing them in to jail.


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    #14394815 - 05/03/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would actually be happy if all penalties for possession were to stop. That would at least be a very good start. Yeah, still bust dealers, but don't bust the innocent people who have 10g cannabis, or a gram of mandy or a strip of LSD. That is the direction we need to go in. Then, progression towards a more total legalisation can happen.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14395234 - 05/03/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It seems there is always an issue on the subject.

Which is why most drugs will never be legal... sigh :frown:

It was a nice conversation with many good points though.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14395353 - 05/03/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I would actually be happy if all penalties for possession were to stop. That would at least be a very good start. Yeah, still bust dealers, but don't bust the innocent people who have 10g cannabis, or a gram of mandy or a strip of LSD. That is the direction we need to go in. Then, progression towards a more total legalisation can happen.




They did this in my country to differentiate a user from a dealer, but if you're caught with any of the illegal substances (which are all except salvia and alcohol) the police will apprehend them, probably send you to a psychologist for mental evaluation (to see if your just a recreational user or an addict) and you'll have to pay a fee, you just won't bee accused of traffic.
It's slightly better not being accused of traffic but you are still penalized and loose your drugs :shrug:


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14395729 - 05/03/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm surprised at some of the things said in this thread, especially considering the demographic of this forum.




Yeah.  Kinda makes the whole "we're all one" idea seem bunk.

How in the fuck are you bunch of drug addicts going to talk about shoving guns in someone's face to keep them from using a substance of their choosing?

Sometimes I think the whole world is  :trolldance: me.

You fools support hurting people or threatening people with violence to stop them from experiencing their own bodies?

The obvious counter here is: "But people do crazy things on drugs!" which stupifies me.  How can't people understand that imbibing a drug shouldn't AT ALL affect the way that a criminal case is decided?  If I murder you sober, or on PCP it's still the same charge.

I mean, I just don't know about you people.  This is a part of the reason I don't associate with too many motherfuckers, you're all fucking nuts.

Lol a bunch of druggies talking about WHICH drug laws THEY would choose to incarcerate people for.


Edit: I want to add that I think a lot of this shit is individuals looking back on their past actions and deciding that since they made fucking RETARD decisions that they don't want ANYONE ELSE having access to the drugs THEY used because they're afraid that the same things they did to other people people will do to them.

This is often the case with hard drugs like meth or heroin or crack and is a lot of the times the case with psychs when people abuse them and as a result abuse themselves.

Instead of trying to demonize the drug you need to learn from your mistakes and make better decisions in the future.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Humility]
    #14396268 - 05/03/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I wish for all drugs to be legal. Just saying that I would be most concerned about psychedelics becoming legalized because I believe the can help change alot of lives for the better.:shocked:
PCP, Heroin, Meth....Well I just won't go there because I have not personally tried them.:crazy2: They seem to be much less likely to make a positive impact on peoples lives. But hey what do I know?:awesomenod:
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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14396356 - 05/03/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I remember reading through parts of this thread, and I've read many debates of this type on the Shroomery among other places.

Draw law reformation is a personal passion of mine.

The main point people seem to make when justifying why a drug should be illegal / stay illegal / be made illegal is, it makes people unpredictable.  This is usually backed up by a real life story or urban myth that sounds real enough.

If it's a real life story, usually when you look deep enough, someone, somewhere was being particularly irresponsible.  Whether it was the journalist in their truth-telling, or perhaps the imbiber, who had been up for days and already had suicidal tendencies due to their father dying in a car accident a week earlier... etc...


Can't you guys see that this logic of anticipating reaction from another individual you know NOTHING of, other than sensationalist or purely fabricated reports, is exactly what leads to ALL SORTS of detriment, not just dodgy laws on often quite subjective substances.


Don't get bogged down in this murky mess, it's not where the drug debate, nor any sensible policy debate, should be. 

We should be talking about the economics, the regulation requirements, the best way to regulate for all, what regulation means and what responsibility we have to each other, and how far we (as a society) should be sticking our noses into an indivudal's lives.

Don't get bogged, it's useless, emotion-driven banter.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14396399 - 05/03/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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everything.  You should have the personal freedom to decide what you put in your body.  If it kills you, it is your fault.




Dumbest comment yet. That would mean the government would be directly involved in facilitating someones 'suicide'...





I should clarify.  I read the post wrong.  What I meant was:  Everything should be legal.  That being said.  I wonder what the social impacts would be for broke drug addicts that need their drug.  Would they still rob and steal?


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    #14396412 - 05/03/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I got what you meant, but I didn't understand how he he saw it :lol: I thought he was the dumb one... but you're both all good :awesome:


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    #14396416 - 05/03/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think that if drugs were legal, some companies would still cut their product with stuff to maximize profits.  It would just be cut with benign materials.


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    #14396421 - 05/03/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks. I figured some did.


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    #14396434 - 05/03/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think that if drugs were legal, some companies would still cut their product with stuff to maximize profits.  It would just be cut with benign materials.



Yeah probably but at least they have to tell you exactly whats in it (more or less..)


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14396448 - 05/03/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It seems there is always an issue on the subject.

Which is why most drugs will never be legal... sigh :frown:

It was a nice conversation with many good points though.



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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14396485 - 05/03/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think that if drugs were legal, some companies would still cut their product with stuff to maximize profits.  It would just be cut with benign materials.




Ok, so we apply the rule of government regulation.

We have a new government body / extension of a current one that makes sure to do random checks of the companies / factories producing product, to make sure they are up to standard, and on the container they must tell the quantity of pure drug and anything else that is contained within.


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That being said.  I wonder what the social impacts would be for broke drug addicts that need their drug.  Would they still rob and steal?




People generally resort to crime when they can't get something they're addicted to / REALLY want (whether it's illegal or legal - drugs aren't the only thing people really want / become addicted to). 
But, this figure is skewed by the drug black market and legal status of the substances.

What is actually about $1 worth of heroin would be sold for $100's of dollars.  The production costs would be brought right down if there were legitimate business involved (Even still making a lucrative profit for themselves). 
Taxation is the key to responsibility here.  Tax these products and then make sure that health, welfare and mental wellbeing services are funded better.  With the popularity of these substances, the tax profit would be huge.  Some people do stuff up and make mistakes - that's up to them, but we need to be there to help them when they're down, and hopefully educate them enough so they don't do it again (never aim for a world where no one makes a mistake ever... you'll just regulate the shit out of it until you realise... it's all to YOUR standard, and not anyone else's.. your perfect world is very different to another's :-p).


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14396572 - 05/03/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think that if drugs were legal, some companies would still cut their product with stuff to maximize profits.  It would just be cut with benign materials.




Which wouldn't be an issue if you produced your drugs at home. I make beer, wine, moonshine, shrooms and ayahuasca at home, and cutting shit aint no issue here.

I believe that all "vice" should be self serve, it will regulate itself better than government ever could.


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    #14396577 - 05/03/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think that if drugs were legal, some companies would still cut their product with stuff to maximize profits.  It would just be cut with benign materials.




Which wouldn't be an issue if you produced your drugs at home. I make beer, wine, moonshine, shrooms and ayahuasca at home, and cutting shit aint no issue here.

I believe that all "vice" should be self serve, it will regulate itself better than government ever could.




Do you think this would make the black market for ready-to-ingest drugs more or less dangerous than it already is?


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    #14396584 - 05/03/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: waves]
    #14396619 - 05/03/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nothing should be illegal

Natural selection should continue among human's as it's for the most part been stamped out

Population thins, world becomes a place full of smart or at least less stupid people, and humanity continues to evolve.

OR

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    #14396623 - 05/03/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think that if drugs were legal, some companies would still cut their product with stuff to maximize profits.  It would just be cut with benign materials.




Which wouldn't be an issue if you produced your drugs at home. I make beer, wine, moonshine, shrooms and ayahuasca at home, and cutting shit aint no issue here.

I believe that all "vice" should be self serve, it will regulate itself better than government ever could.




Do you think this would make the black market for ready-to-ingest drugs more or less dangerous than it already is?




If "vice" was truly self serve, it would eliminate the black market entirely.

Who's going to sell me shrooms if I run a pf tek ? Budwieser can't even sell me beer while I run a brewery in the kitchen.


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    #14396629 - 05/03/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

But I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would much prefer to buy LSD or methamphetamine than make it themselves, and plenty of people capable of making it who would be all too eager to sell it.


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    #14396645 - 05/03/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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But I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would much prefer to buy LSD or methamphetamine than make it themselves, and plenty of people capable of making it who would be all too eager to sell it.




True, but if it was legal, there would be no black market. Shady dealers can't stand up to honest competition. They'd have to rely on their reputation.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Yacub]
    #14396712 - 05/03/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This thing about drugs being "better" as they are now is pretty stupid. Drug dealers are often times really fucking shitty people, I'd much rather walk into a store and buy it from a guy who doesn't have a knife in his pocket.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Yacub]
    #14396739 - 05/03/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Which wouldn't be an issue if you produced your drugs at home. I make beer, wine, moonshine, shrooms and ayahuasca at home, and cutting shit aint no issue here.

I believe that all "vice" should be self serve, it will regulate itself better than government ever could.




I don't really understand, other than greedy economic policy, why it is illegal to make things at home.  Even if there is a danger... if someone is doing it on their own property, with only consenting others around, I don't really see how this is the business of anyone but that individual and the consenting others?


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    #14396743 - 05/03/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Word, and be able to walk in and yell "THIS ISN'T FUCKING LSD" if the store rips me off and not have to worry about getting a cap in my arse :highdog:


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    #14397593 - 05/03/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Nothing should be illegal

Natural selection should continue among human's as it's for the most part been stamped out

Population thins, world becomes a place full of smart or at least less stupid people, and humanity continues to evolve.

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and kill ourselves in ~15 years.



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    #14398602 - 05/04/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Only way I could see drugs being legal anytime soon is if the shroomery bought an island and legalized them there. Just saying:laugh:


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    #14399302 - 05/04/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I bet 90% of the people claiming "PCP SHOULD BE ILLEGAL THO!!!" have never tried it... so that makes them equally as retarded as the people who keep weed illegal because they haven't tried it and think its the devil too.


EVERYTHING LEGAL!! :kingcrankey:





Yeah I've never tried it so I can't judge, just heard it can be unstable at times and people can get violent or weird on it. Whether that's true or not I don't know, but would certainly hope not. I don't really have a desire to try it anyways though, especially if its that's true.

I think we should have the freedom and choice to do what we want with our own bodies, as long as were not hurting others. You should be accountable for anything you do on drugs as well and unbiased information should be available to everyone.

I don't think they should be surrounded by silly marketing ads/campaigns to sell more product either, kind of like cigarettes are controlled in Canada; under the counter or in a cupboard out of sight without the flashy colours and marketing on the package in plain view but instead just useful information, tips and warnings about them. Except sold at a special pharmacy rather than any old corner store. Knowledge, education and Harm reduction is far safer than prohibition.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #14399451 - 05/04/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All drugs should be legalized.  Make the punishments for committing crimes under the influence (if can be proven) much harsher.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: A Day InThe Life]
    #14401170 - 05/04/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think we should have the freedom and choice to do what we want with our own bodies, as long as were not hurting others. You should be accountable for anything you do on drugs as well and unbiased information should be available to everyone.


I don't think they should be surrounded by silly marketing ads/campaigns to sell more product either, kind of like cigarettes are controlled in Canada; under the counter or in a cupboard out of sight without the flashy colours and marketing on the package in plain view but instead just useful information, tips and warnings about them. Except sold at a special pharmacy rather than any old corner store. Knowledge, education and Harm reduction is far safer than prohibition.





Agreed with the first paragraph entirely!!  Although, I would add, and not harming another's property.  And ABSOLUTELY, people can NOT use intoxication as an excuse for appalling beahviour.  You are just as accountable, no matter your intoxication or sobrierty.  I think that is INTEGRAL to the whole thing. 
I never can believe it when I hear of cases where people get less of a sentence coz they were "drunk when I was raping the bitch, so I couldn't control myself".  FUCK YOU, whatever you slimey cunt.  If someone becomes intoxicated and commits a crime - same punishments.  Perhaps they should take a look at their substance consumption and seek help?  And, if they're a repeat offender, well, then the state has every rate to mandate rehab to you.  And punish you as well.  Motherfucker.

And, I think marketing would ruin and destroy safety and harm minimisation, as well as the drug's effects and psycho-social standards too.

Fuck marketing


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    #16311470 - 05/31/12 01:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

LOL


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: SelkieSellDaCelly]
    #16311500 - 05/31/12 01:10 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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    #16311511 - 05/31/12 01:12 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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    #16311709 - 05/31/12 01:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Dude u literally made me shit my pants with laughter HAHAHAHAHA. but yeah i thought this was an interesting thread so yeah...
Well everybody, i'd say that all the bad stuff should be illegalized and thats that.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: SelkieSellDaCelly]
    #16311725 - 05/31/12 01:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I see you went to a public school too .

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    #16311733 - 05/31/12 01:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Dude u literally made me shit my pants with laughter HAHAHAHAHA. but yeah i thought this was an interesting thread so yeah...
Well everybody, i'd say that all the bad stuff should be illegalized and thats that.





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    #16311774 - 05/31/12 02:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

LOL no man i was just joking i really couldnt even start to decide on which drugs should be legal or not legal, just not my place as i think my law will have giant loopholes in it haha :mushroom2::mushroom2::thumbup::syringe:


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    #16311828 - 05/31/12 02:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Dude u literally made me shit my pants with laughter HAHAHAHAHA. but yeah i thought this was an interesting thread so yeah...
Well everybody, i'd say that all the bad stuff should be illegalized and thats that.




Not sure if retarded

or trolling

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    #16317971 - 06/01/12 04:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I was trolling haha it sounded really funny in my mind i had to post it.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: SelkieSellDaCelly]
    #16318001 - 06/01/12 04:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

then ppl should go on with there lives and let the idiots who want to shoot heroin and smoke meth kill themselves. even if there were legal mushrooms i wouldnt buy them god knows what else the government would put in them and the only thing i think we should care about is if the druggys who are killing themselves have a family or child to take care of the government should limit how much you can buy. :cool::thumbup:


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal]
    #21390543 - 03/10/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

You can't draw an arbitrary line and claim everything behind this is illegal. All drugs must be legal in order to truly uphold the notions our country is based on, pursuit of happiness, freedom of choice, freedom of religion, etc. After weed is completely legal, soon psilocybin mushrooms will start being spoken about (probably for medical use initially), followed by ibogaine, peyote and ahyuasca (plus other naturally occurring psychedelics). Eventually we will realize we can not just make something illegal because the majority is against it; fore this country was based off the concept that the rights of individual are protected despite the opinion of the majority (think about the pilgrim catholics coming from England whom were in the minority being persecuted against). How can the government tell you what your pursuit of happieness includes... "so, weed, alcohol, cough syrup, caffeine and ciggs are fine; but don't touch those mushrooms".. rather government should be regulating the quality of drugs through taxation so that freedoms, liberties and safety of the people are ensured. And if we hold hands in this effort, one day they will be.


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    #21390568 - 03/10/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Salomon]
    #21390635 - 03/10/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

They should all remain illegal, especially the hard drugs like meth, heroin and crack.

I think weed should be decriminalized but I still think the dealers and growers should go to jail for a long time.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21390644 - 03/10/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

None. But there are quite a few that should stop at being decriminalized

Edit: also hi Bitter Cactus


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