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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14388908 - 05/02/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No make acid legal, just not easy for any nitwit to buy. I have some shitty HPPD from an acid trip and I hear that comes from impurities. So I do want a top notch chemist making my LSD. But no one should be able to go to Walgreens if its legal and buy a vial with hundreds of doses. Thats irresponsible, because a vial under legalization wouldn't be the bullshit $300-$1000 it is now. It would be like 50 bucks. And most people arent smart enough to use acid appropriately when having access to those amounts. Youll see what I mean within a few years after its legality if it ever happens.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14388940 - 05/02/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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No make acid legal, just not easy for any nitwit to buy. I have some shitty HPPD from an acid trip and I hear that comes from impurities. So I do want a top notch chemist making my LSD. But no one should be able to go to Walgreens if its legal and buy a vial with hundreds of doses. Thats irresponsible, because a vial under legalization wouldn't be the bullshit $300-$1000 it is now. It would be like 50 bucks. And most people arent smart enough to use acid appropriately when having access to those amounts. Youll see what I mean within a few years after its legality if it ever happens.




I agree, at first things might get sort of crazy, but once people became better educated or actually TRIED the drugs...I bet use would return to normal levels. It's like...if crack, or coke, or heroin, or meth became legal tomorrow I sure as fuck wouldn't go out and do it. I don't want to do those drugs cause I know what they can do to people...and I think most informed people would agree. The people who are going to do the drugs are going to do them regardless if they're legal or not.

If acid was legal :awecid:


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Salomon]
    #14389067 - 05/02/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The fuck are you talking about no drugs should be illegal.



what about anthrax?




What about Anthrax?
Anthrax is an infectious disease caused by a bacteria. Not a drug.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14389193 - 05/02/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14389222 - 05/02/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So you want realistic answers for a unrealistic question.

Your first statement ("Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs.") is for itself a bad beginning.

Psychoactive substances shouldn't be a toy for the masses, so if a gov would think about legalizing drugs they should first start about educating people about them.
I'm not talking about subjective opinions, but objective things on what we know, such as active principles, possible effects, dosages, etc., above all respect for these substances.

Afterwards that same gov could start by something analogue to koffee shops in Holland, wanna smoke weed? Sure, you can buy high quality weed in many of them, get pretty high and whatever, all legal. Of course the place should be adapted to the type of substance, it wouldn't be much fun taking an acid in a regular coffee probably.

Ensuring high quality products, conditions and environment to do so, and different "appropriate" places where you can if you want to.
Simply legalizing it anyway, anytime, anywhere won't just work in the real world you live in :shrug:

Having said this, none should be illegal.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Salomon]
    #14389228 - 05/02/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Salomon said:
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Shroomism said:
The fuck are you talking about no drugs should be illegal.



what about anthrax?




Thats the stupidest thing Ive read all week..... and I frequent 4chan....


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: pouihi]
    #14389464 - 05/02/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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So you want realistic answers for a unrealistic question.

Your first statement ("Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs.") is for itself a bad beginning.

Psychoactive substances shouldn't be a toy for the masses, so if a gov would think about legalizing drugs they should first start about educating people about them.
I'm not talking about subjective opinions, but objective things on what we know, such as active principles, possible effects, dosages, etc., above all respect for these substances.

Afterwards that same gov could start by something analogue to koffee shops in Holland, wanna smoke weed? Sure, you can buy high quality weed in many of them, get pretty high and whatever, all legal. Of course the place should be adapted to the type of substance, it wouldn't be much fun taking an acid in a regular coffee probably.

Ensuring high quality products, conditions and environment to do so, and different "appropriate" places where you can if you want to.
Simply legalizing it anyway, anytime, anywhere won't just work in the real world you live in :shrug:

Having said this, none should be illegal.




Great post,

It is true that if the currently illegal drugs were to be legal, the government could ensure quality (not cutting coke with a bunch of crap).

The issue I wonder the most about is: how would the government be able to keep someone from abusing an addictive drug?

Lets say someone goes to do coke in a coke shop for example, how often would you allow that same person to buy cocaine? As much as he wants? (aka, government being the pusher) or limit him to a maximum dose a day? (which would create a black market for the ones that want to go over that limit)

IMO, legalisation would be a last resort solution to stopping the black market and prevent crimes commited by a addict with no cash.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal] * 5
    #14389569 - 05/02/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How does the government keep someone from abusing ANY legal/prescription drug right now?
They can't.

Do they limit the amount of alcohol you can buy? No?
Could I go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy enough vodka to kill myself ten times over? Yes.  Could I go RIGHT NOW and buy two bottles of aspirin and kill myself? Yes.

If someone wants to abuse something, whether it be a legal or illegal drug. They Will.

It's not the government's job or anyone else's to stop them. The government should have NO SAY in what anyone CHOOSES UNDER THEIR OWN FREE WILL TO PUT IN THEIR OWN BODIES. Period. End of story.

And if someone is stupid enough to kill themselves through an addiction of a harmful substance... then I say let them.
Don't make it illegal so no one else can have any fun either.

What they CAN do, if all drugs are legal, is regulate them so that only quality drugs are available.

And all that TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars they save every year from not incarcerating non-violent drug offenders could be used for EDUCATION, rehabilitation programs and addiction treatment. Education being the key word. An ounce of prevention is worth 20 lbs of cure. In this instance, you would teach people that doing cocaine 50 times a day is probably bad for your health. If they choose to ignore that, fuck 'em.

At least they would have a reliable and clean supply.

If all drugs are legalized and regulated, no it wouldn't be a perfect utopian society.
But it would pretty much regulate itself. The retards would kill themselves off on heroin binges or whatever in the first couple weeks.
And life would continue on as it always has been, with a lot less bullshit in our society.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14389816 - 05/02/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol you guys are :stupid: and dont know what you are doing

all drugs should be illegal especially LSD DMT and psilocin and all of its esters.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: mellowparty]
    #14389827 - 05/02/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And crack, don't forget crack!


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14390006 - 05/02/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Love all of Shroomism's points.

But for the safety of the shop keepers, I'd say that addictive drugs would need to be sold at a high-security place-- much like the more progressive dispensaries here. It would deter crime from addicts-- which I think is a valid concern in the case of some drugs.

Also, rehab programs would need to be more widely available (or easier to enter), I would think. Although this is not a necessity, it is a consideration. More social programs as a result of drug legalization...


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14390155 - 05/02/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All of the less harmful drugs such as cannabis should be fully legalized. Our government has gone completely ban hapy it seems and it's become too controlled. I have the Libertarian point of view where if it isn't harming anybody else there shouldn't be a problem.
As for the 'harder' drugs, well I'm torn; on the one hand I'd like to see Heroin addicts get their stuff pure from the labs and not that cut up street filth, but I don't see it being beneficial to market drugs like that and make them readily available for the average Joe, so I lean towards regulation on that front...strict regulation, on the premise that not everybody is a responsible drug user.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Abuse]
    #14390187 - 05/02/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they should keep all scripts legal and just illegalize all those harmful natural ones


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Shroomism]
    #14390203 - 05/02/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
How does the government keep someone from abusing ANY legal/prescription drug right now?
They can't.

Do they limit the amount of alcohol you can buy? No?
Could I go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy enough vodka to kill myself ten times over? Yes.  Could I go RIGHT NOW and buy two bottles of aspirin and kill myself? Yes.

If someone wants to abuse something, whether it be a legal or illegal drug. They Will.

It's not the government's job or anyone else's to stop them. The government should have NO SAY in what anyone CHOOSES UNDER THEIR OWN FREE WILL TO PUT IN THEIR OWN BODIES. Period. End of story.

And if someone is stupid enough to kill themselves through an addiction of a harmful substance... then I say let them.
Don't make it illegal so no one else can have any fun either.

What they CAN do, if all drugs are legal, is regulate them so that only quality drugs are available.

And all that TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars they save every year from not incarcerating non-violent drug offenders could be used for EDUCATION, rehabilitation programs and addiction treatment. Education being the key word. An ounce of prevention is worth 20 lbs of cure. In this instance, you would teach people that doing cocaine 50 times a day is probably bad for your health. If they choose to ignore that, fuck 'em.

At least they would have a reliable and clean supply.

If all drugs are legalized and regulated, no it wouldn't be a perfect utopian society.
But it would pretty much regulate itself. The retards would kill themselves off on heroin binges or whatever in the first couple weeks.
And life would continue on as it always has been, with a lot less bullshit in our society.




I agree with what you say. Especially the billions saved to put towards something else.

Although, sure you could buy a shit ton of aspirine to kill yourself, but that is voluntary suicide. The problem with the drugs is that most people who kill themselves do it because of their ever increasing tolerance. On occasion, sure, its a legit suicide.

The goal here would be to have the drugs legal and not regulate the drugs themselves, but the users.

The thing is. If its legal, the government must ensure that they dont kill their own citizens. My guess would be, if you want to buy cocaine, do it BUT you HAVE to register with the governement so they can 'check up' on you. It sounds like you would have the government hands up your ass. But on the plus side, you would get proper services, clean seringes, quality products and most importantly, no fear of getting arrested.

It would be a trade off... No cops hunting you down or gangs selling you shit BUT we gotta know who you are and everytime you buy, all your info on your purchase must be registered for medical purposes and shit. Of course, at a much lower price... cause lets face it, if coke was legal, it would be as cheap as booze..

That is the way I could see it happening. Of course there would be a different way of doing it depending on the type of drug.

Does that make any sense? Would you be willing to play by the rules if you had it cheap and legal?


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14390212 - 05/02/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

UK's activist group "Transform" has the best, most realistic plan for distributing ALL dangerous drugs, they just use different levels of control where appropriate. It went something like....

weed... same level of control as coffee but you have to be 18

coca leaves..... like coffee or tea, sold in grocery store
cocaine....  is cut 50% with non-toxic cut, can only buy a bit at a time, must be an adult, buy it from a pharmacy or licensed narcotics shop
freebase... prescription only

low dose opiates...  available in abuse-resistant gel tabs OTC for adults
injectable heroin/coke/fent... prescription only

+Heavy warning labels on everything that tells you dosage, side effects, contradictions,

+forbid advertising narcotics etc



This is the best system IMHO. You can always get what you want without going to the black market, but the least-dangerous drugs (or forms of drugs) are a bit more readily available.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #14390216 - 05/02/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No fuck that shit.

Readily available in purity for me to choose when and how much I put in my body.

With proper drug education everyone would know how to be a responsible drug user. If they choose to ignore this, let them die.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Satival]
    #14390230 - 05/02/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Also interesting to note that they classify most of the psychedelics as non-toxic, minimally dangerous, and not requiring serious controls:mushroom2:


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: propensity]
    #14390252 - 05/02/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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No fuck that shit.

Readily available in purity for me to choose when and how much I put in my body.

With proper drug education everyone would know how to be a responsible drug user. If they choose to ignore this, let them die.




This. Fuck registering with the government so that I can do drugs. SO MANY things wrong with that idea-- I can't even begin.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Satival]
    #14390272 - 05/02/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that your actions are ultimately your own responsibility. However, I think it would be unreasonable for someone to sell injectable heroin to anybody who asks. Some things do need some control. Don't get me wrong though, i'm 100% against prohibition for the same reasons you just listed.


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Re: Lets say the gov't starts legalizing drugs. Which should remain illegal? [Re: Satival]
    #14390296 - 05/02/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you have no control then you have big corporations step in with "This crack-rock's for you!" and glamorize and push the stuff like alcohol and cigs. You know they wouldn't be pushing LSD or mushrooms either.


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