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Couple noob questions pls help
    #14382487 - 05/01/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hi I'm a beginner with a few questions I couldn't find straight answer to any help would be appreciated

Q#1 when mixing a bulk substrate or a casing how is the percentage measured.? For example one substrate I've read about was 50% coir 40% straw 10% dehydrated manure (I don't have access to fresh). Is this measured by dry weight? Wet weight? Wet volume?

Q# 2 with my pf cakes I am experiencing weak flushes, almost all aborts and pinning is only occurring at the top and bottom of the cake. Is this an RH or CO2 problem? Sorry for non pictures I'm working on them

Q#3 I'm about to do wbs is a spawn bag. I picked a mix that include wheat and cracked corn in addition to millet. Should I keep the filter patch above the spawn? While pcing do I need to keep the patch dry (like cover it with tape) or will evaporate take care of that while it cools? also If the spawn touches the patch will it be a problem? Would spawning this to straight coir work ok?

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Q#4 how does one properly pasteurize a casing layer? Do use an oven? microwave? Or just mix with still boiling water? I was looking at the 50/50 peat moss and verm tek

I know these questions may sound stupid but hey I am a noob and I'm trying to get my education. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I edited this to make the questions more clearly worded  once again any help is appreciated


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Re: Couple noob questions pls help [Re: King Cap]
    #14382520 - 05/01/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

1. they are talking about physical material volume.  I like to just eyeball my substrates and just do what feels best, you dont have to be precise. 

2.hard to tell with out pics. trying fanning and misting more and mist the fuck out of those basterds when you do.

3.I dont fuck with bags sorry.

4. Depends on the caseing if you are just useing dry verm you dont have to do shit, just throw it down. Imo caseins suck on wbs coco-coir.


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Re: Couple noob questions pls help [Re: King Cap]
    #14382528 - 05/01/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

1. by volume
2. pinning usually occours at these places cause that is where the cakes dry out first and the sub drying out is a major pinning trigger
3. keep the WBS below the patch
4:  I never case :shrug:  wat are you using to case?


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Re: Couple noob questions pls help [Re: King Cap]
    #14382562 - 05/01/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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King Cap said:
Hi I'm a beginner with a few questions I couldn't find straight answer to any help would be appreciated

Q#1 when mixing a bulk substrate or a casing how is the percentage measured.? For example one substrate I've read about was 50% coir 40% straw 10% manure. Is this measured by dry weight? Wet weight? Wet volume?

Q# 2 with my pf cakes I am experiencing weak flushes, almost all aborts and pinning is only occurring at the top and bottom of the cake. Is this an RH or CO2 problem?

Q#3 I'm about to do wbs is a spawn bag. Should I keep the filter patch above the spawn? If the spawn touches it will it be a problem?

Last one
Q#4 how does one properly pasteurize a casing layer? Do use an oven? microwave? Or just mix with still boiling water?

I know these questions may sound stupid but hey I am a noob and I'm trying to get my education. Any help would be greatly appreciated




1. You can make up any kind of bulk mixture you want, personally I use 1 brick coir, 3 pints verm, and 1.5 pints gypsum, measured by volume obviously

2. aborts can be caused by all kinds of things, usually its happens if you directly mist pins without letting them dry off properly.  could also be low RH, low FAE, high/low temps, etc

3. I don't do bags but i would venture to guess you should keep it above spawn level

4. I just mix my bulk with 5 to 5.5 quarts of boiling water in a turkey fryer with a lid that has a built in meat thermometer. I let it sit till it cools, stirring occasionally.  You can't do this if youre using manure though, you'll have to use a more difficult method of pasteurization

Edit:  whoops, I thought you meant bulk substrate for #4.  I don't case.


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Re: Couple noob questions pls help [Re: King Cap]
    #14382679 - 05/01/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

To all you who don't case. Say I did wbs spawn and mixed with with straight coir, would I just put it in a foil roasting pan to colonize, then put in a shotgun fc? Or could I premix them, then pc in a bag, then inoculate and do a pf style block? What would be recommended without a casing?


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Re: Couple noob questions pls help [Re: King Cap]
    #14382939 - 05/01/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

let the wbs spawn colonize, mix with pasteurized coir in roasting pan, let colonize w/ foil on top, place in sgfc


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Re: Couple noob questions pls help [Re: MOPE]
    #14383121 - 05/01/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome thanks MOPE


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Re: Couple noob questions pls help [Re: MOPE]
    #14383142 - 05/01/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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MOPE said:
Quote:

King Cap said:
Hi I'm a beginner with a few questions I couldn't find straight answer to any help would be appreciated

Q#1 when mixing a bulk substrate or a casing how is the percentage measured.? For example one substrate I've read about was 50% coir 40% straw 10% manure. Is this measured by dry weight? Wet weight? Wet volume?

Q# 2 with my pf cakes I am experiencing weak flushes, almost all aborts and pinning is only occurring at the top and bottom of the cake. Is this an RH or CO2 problem?

Q#3 I'm about to do wbs is a spawn bag. Should I keep the filter patch above the spawn? If the spawn touches it will it be a problem?

Last one
Q#4 how does one properly pasteurize a casing layer? Do use an oven? microwave? Or just mix with still boiling water?

I know these questions may sound stupid but hey I am a noob and I'm trying to get my education. Any help would be greatly appreciated




1. You can make up any kind of bulk mixture you want, personally I use 1 brick coir, 3 pints verm, and 1.5 pints gypsum, measured by volume obviously

2. aborts can be caused by all kinds of things, usually its happens if you directly mist pins without letting them dry off properly.  could also be low RH, low FAE, high/low temps, etc

3. I don't do bags but i would venture to guess you should keep it above spawn level

4. I just mix my bulk with 5 to 5.5 quarts of boiling water in a turkey fryer with a lid that has a built in meat thermometer. I let it sit till it cools, stirring occasionally.  You can't do this if youre using manure though, you'll have to use a more difficult method of pasteurization

Thanks man. I happen to have the same turkey fryer, that's a great idea


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Re: Couple noob questions pls help [Re: King Cap]
    #14383162 - 05/01/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

just mix your coir up with boiling water and add spawn it when it cools some


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Re: Couple noob questions pls help [Re: King Cap]
    #14383179 - 05/01/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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King Cap said:
Awesome thanks MOPE
Thanks man. I happen to have the same turkey fryer, that's a great idea




No problem, and good luck:mushroom2:


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Got used to the feeling of falling
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Bouncing back and forth between the healing and the hollering
Riding the outer ring of my own private saturn
Thoughts scattered all across the grey matter


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