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Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences?
    #14341495 - 04/24/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm going through a time in my life where I really need to figure things out. I'm 24, just went back to school after being out for 2 years, the economy is rough and has been for the last 2 years, I finally have a stable job, as crappy as it is. I need to decide which university to go to, blah blah..other things in my life, yadda yadda..

I feel I REALLY need to take a trip. I plan to get a 1/2 oz of mushrooms and take a few trips, about a month or so apart from each other, to really get into my mind and the other side of consciousness and really just pin point the exact point in my brain (mind) where all the answers are and just bring it onto the surface right in front of me for me to see.

Back when I was 21, I always did lsd and mushrooms just "for fun." I had read Albert Hoffmann's book, LSD My Problem Child, (GREAT book for anyone wanting to do ANY psychedelic in addition to LSD!) and know how psychedelics work on the mind and how to get out of bad trips and such. Now that I'm a little older, I'm kinda passed my days of "tripping balls" and stuff like that, but, having the experience of what goes on in the mind during tripping, I know of the powerful effects hallucinogens have on the mind. I never did more in one trip than 4 hits of GOOD  acid, probably the equivelant of 5 regular hits, and an 1/8 oz of shrooms, just for background information about myself.

So never having done psychedelics for entheogenic purposes, can you guys who HAVE used entheogens tell me how I can prepare my mind/body/surroundings, etc, to make my trip more REWARDING? I plan on just waiting until evening, taking mushrooms and just sitting or lieing on my bed, no babysitter (I've tripped w/out a bsitter before, so don't worry)  I really just want to just think inwardly and pay attention to my thoughts and figure things out in my life and answer some questions I have, and even unknown questions that I have yet to ask. I won't really be focusing on the visual aspects of the trip, although I DO love me some popcorn ceilings and plain white walls that change colors and wave and breathe and making funny faces in the mirror! Lol!

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14341576 - 04/24/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just have fun with the trips and you will show yourself what you need to know.

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14341635 - 04/24/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You're going find the trips to be a lot of fun, no matter what (besides of course the infamous, "bad trip") shrooms tend to have that effect on the brain. Just once you're in the trip try to think about your life, and the things that are most important will eventually come out.


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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14341933 - 04/24/11 02:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i have always found that the best entheogenic trips are to be found outdoors in nature ... not to say that you are wrong to stay inside , especially if you live in the city , but at the least try to get some fresh air time ... a mix of the 2 could also prove to be ideal for you as i do feel that we gain a better perspective of ourselves analyzing our self created surroundings "our nest" as well ... outdoors ~ bigger picture ... inside ~ self ... both ~ self in the bigger picture ... :thumbup:

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: cyantific] * 2
    #14342312 - 04/24/11 06:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here's my basic outline of what I do when I'm delving into a "serious" psychedelic experience:

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[TL,DR: Clean your house, clean your body, clean your mind, do rituals, dose high]

1. Set aside a time and space where you can trip alone with NO distractions whatsoever. Plan for this ahead of time, and do whatever kinds of purifications/abstentions you feel are necessary (stop smoking/drinking/masturbating/coffee/meat/dairy/etc. whatever is important for you)

2. The day of. Wake up early and eat a light, healthy breakfast, fruits and nuts or whatev, and then eat nothing else for the rest of the day but water/juice and maybe vitamins. Don't get high or intoxicated all day.

3. Clean the fuck out of your space. Imagine you were going to have God visit your house. How would you want it to look and smell? Ya dig? Prepare your space and make it appropriate for something sacred.

4. Make preparations for whatever rituals you choose. I personally have a small alter with candles, incense, Buddha statue, bells, crystals, etc. I get all the blankets and pillows in the house and make a comfortable "launch pad" in front of this alter for me to trip out on.

5. Bathe. Make your body clean. Shave if that is something that makes you feel clean. Hell, if you really want to go all out you can even shave your head. Do yoga, stretch, and make sure your body feels good.

6. Set your intentions. Once the house is clean, and my body is clean, I begin meditation and prayer/chanting before I dose. This gets me into a sacred mindspace before the trip even begins. Also, this can help purge your mind of a lot of anxieties and worries so that they don't come up unexpected while you're tripping. Make your mind clean. You can do this through rituals also, like smudging with sage, or writing down your intentions and binding them with a string and putting them on your alter, or writing down your worries and then burning them.

7. Dose. Dose a LOT. Take at least 5g. Get into some comfortable clothes. Turn off the lights completely or just have a candle burning. Be in silence, be in darkness.

8. Continue meditating/chanting, or doing whatever rituals you like until the trip kicks in. I like to chant mantras and count mala beads.

9. Trip balls. Keep the lights off. Keep it silent. If shit gets real heavy you can have some mellow music on standby. It should be something awe inspiring. Vomiting can be a good spiritual purge.

10. Come down. Eat something hardy and nutritious like some spaghetti and vegetables. Your body will be craving food.

11. Integrate. Do something chill that brings you back into reality but still respects the profound experience you had. Draw, make music, watch a trippy/profound video, write down any realizations, etc. Smoke some herb. Integration may extend into the next day if your experience was that intense. Make sure your next day is free and you won't be bothered if you need it to yourself.




That's basically how I do it, without the details of my actual rituals. It's kind of free form really. Just imagine what you think it would take to do something sacred and create it. Your intention is the most important thing, and the rituals just help to direct and focus that intention.




I feel like the most important element of this method is the intense focusing of intention by preparing your environment. Even though you are going to be tripping in silent darkness, you want to spend all day cleaning your environment and body to emphasize how serious you are taking the experience. Having the "launch pad" of blankets and pillows in front of an alter creates the center point for all of this focus, and creates a space where you can stay the entire trip and be comfortable, rather than getting restless and feeling like you need to wander around and distract yourself.

The other really important element of all this is staying sober all day, and even the day before. Dulling your senses with other drugs/alcohol makes for a dulled trip. You want your mind to be fresh and awake and totally ready to take on the trip.


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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble] * 1
    #14342577 - 04/24/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That is a damned fine list!  One could NOT go wrong heeding the above!  I just cut and pasted it to a WordPerfect file and I'm storing it on my local machine (encrypted, of course) for future reference.  :thumbup:  :thumbup:

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14342835 - 04/24/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I am not sure there is much difference, fun or medicine... Possible to do both...

Getting back to the basics, set and setting...

Suggest meditating, setting yourself time to just be, take care of all the crap that might intrude... People contacting you, (call them before you trip), feed the pets, get your chores done,....To me, yes, nature is a great classroom, or a dark quiet room. Put your phone away, turn off the TV, get to where you will be...Set some question in our mind, like 'who am I'.... Decide your dose... But try not to make expectations... I leave myself notes....

I do like rituals... I try to help someone the day of the trip... Give money, help a stranger with a problem, etc.... Posiive karma! Time for fasting, what teas or drinks, what clothing, candles, but really, to some extent, once you have taken the mushrooms have to just go with it. Trust the mushrooms, let them show you what they will... Don't panic, don't fight it, let go

Not everything you experience will be understandable.... Hours, days later you might figure out what the heck 'that' was about... Reflection is important in understanding...

Anyway... Just what works for me... Each person will find what works for themselves

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: HarryL]
    #14342921 - 04/24/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

*Edit: Just thought I'd add to the already awesome list that was presented above.

The most important factor in trying to have a "spiritual" trip is "intention".

Your intention has a large effect on what happens during a trip. As many psychedelic travelers find out, we have the ability to steer our psychedelic journeys in different directions. I'm not saying that we have complete control, but we do have a lot of control in determining what direction to take our trip.

Here are some tips for establishing "intention":
1. Simply tell yourself that you intend to have a spiritual journey. (this will make it more likely)
2. Create a "sacred space". (decorate the area with special items that mean something to you).
3. Meditate before your trip. (contemplate on what you hope to see)
4. Have a trip sitter- some one who you can trust to keep you safe through your journey).
5. Allow time the next day for reflection. 

I hope these tips are helpful to you.


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Edited by FleshCap (04/24/11 10:38 AM)

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: FleshCap]
    #14370962 - 04/29/11 01:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What would you guys say about me having my dog with me in my room? I love her to death and I do think that animals represent unconditional love. Will she be able to sense that I'm on something? Should I just focus on myself during the trips?

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14370986 - 04/29/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Dude, she will tear you apart.


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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: Luman]
    #14371018 - 04/29/11 02:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I suggest taking time with a trusted friend every so often over the next few months to find a nice, quiet spot in a SAFE forested area. In simpler terms, go to the woods. just don't go until you've been several times and have gotten familiar with the trail and surrounding area. Hint: Waterfalls are a bonus. not too big a dose of whatever you take though, it can get... weird... pretty fast if youre tripping too hard in the deep woods. A good rule of thumb is if you question wether or not you can handle it, it's too much. I don't exceed 3 blots of L in the wood if that's of any help. If you decide to make the journey, i promise you won't regret it. Don't forget the LEVEL-HEADED buddy though! Enjoy if you so choose.


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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14379712 - 04/30/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The nunbuh chrubble's list above is a good one.

The meditation, I believe, is very important, but I like to start many days in advance. Sometimes when you meditate or have just started meditating, there is so much stuff lingering around in there that "A" session is not enough.  Starting many days in advance will not only prepare you for your day, but can make the tasks of every day up until then easier to deal with and flow with causing less friction. This, in turn, will keep you in a better spirit. I have also meditated in the middle of a bad trip and have cried because of the rush of emotions that I had been holding on to.  It felt so good to call myself out on things and give in to the fact that I have been doing wrong. 

Build your karma

Dont "carry" things in with you. Meditation will help with this and the note or letter ideas are awesome and will implement this myself.

Treat walking like a moving meditation, if you so chose to do so.

Last, but not least, DONT FIGHT ANYTHING!  Let them rule your life. They have become God and you must give in and kneel before them.  Accept what is happening knowing that they are a million year old guide with infinite wisdom.

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: DoDahDay]
    #14380011 - 04/30/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am not going to trip outside in the woods, or anywhere outside for that matter. I'm from california, and I now live in texas. It is way too hot to do anything outside. lol!

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14380030 - 04/30/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14382239 - 05/01/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I am not going to trip outside in the woods, or anywhere outside for that matter. I'm from california, and I now live in texas. It is way too hot to do anything outside. lol!



Totally understandable! It's not fun tripping in the heat. I forget sometimes that it's always 10+ degrees cooler here in the Blue Ridge than it is in the rest of the souther U.S. Well at ant rate, it you ever do get the chance to do it, i reccomend it.


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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14382346 - 05/01/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Follow the advice from Nunbuh_Chrubble.  I copy pasted his entry into my journal, so that I can come back to it, I thought it was so good.  Thank you Nunbuh_Chrubble.:thumbup:

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14422625 - 05/08/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So, what have been your guys' experiences with using substances for entheogenic/therapeutic/spiritual purposes? What did you learn? If you don't mind talking about it. Was it easy to come to realizations or did you have to really dig into your mind? I still have at least a month or so for my mushrooms to grow as I haven't even started growing yet! Still gotta wait for my brf in the mail.

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    #14429725 - 05/10/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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So, what have been your guys' experiences with using substances for entheogenic/therapeutic/spiritual purposes? What did you learn? If you don't mind talking about it. Was it easy to come to realizations or did you have to really dig into your mind? I still have at least a month or so for my mushrooms to grow as I haven't even started growing yet! Still gotta wait for my brf in the mail.



An entheogenic awakening was never something obvious that hit me all at once. I've just learned through tripping that reality as we see it everyday is merely a fraction of what we can see. My entire outlook these days is based on things i learned while tripping. For instance, I don't plan anymore. I hardly plan what im going to do everyday, much less plan for my future. Ive come to understand that time is merely a construction, as are so many other external social institutions. When i came out of my first spiritual trip I came out a changed man. I don't feel disconnected from society, rather I feel like i am an outside observer. Basically, tripping as a whole is a conglomerate of learning experiences that accumulate over multiple trips and help one to examine and observe their existence through a different lens.


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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: GuruBushHippie]
    #14574283 - 06/07/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Should I go into the trip with very specific questions or should they be more general?

In other threads, I've been talking about how I have a huge intent and that I have so much on my mind about what I want to get out of these trips, but other people have been telling me not to have too much intent because the mushrooms might have an intent of their own.

So...?

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Re: Triping for entheogenic purposes, NOT for fun.Advice?Experiences? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14574810 - 06/07/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Should I go into the trip with very specific questions or should they be more general?

In other threads, I've been talking about how I have a huge intent and that I have so much on my mind about what I want to get out of these trips, but other people have been telling me not to have too much intent because the mushrooms might have an intent of their own.

So...?



Dont worry about that now, ask the mushrooms a question when your there.

You may create a great question to ask but most likely will be so overwhelmed by the sheer beauty you will forget what it was.

Just wait until you are there and ask them anything at that time.


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