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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Turning over a new leaf in the way you think.
    #14380846 - 05/01/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I haven't tripped in a couple of months. My most recent acid trip turned very sour, after which I decided to take a break. If I were to describe it to you, you'd probably think I'm making it up, as it sounds just like anti-psychedelic propaganda. It is nothing compared to some of the train wrecks on here, but I completely lost my mind: what started out with my crying over how beautiful things are and how amazing it is being a collective conscience led to my feeling that all my friends who were with me were out to harm me coupled with vivid hallucinations adhering to a very generic horror theme: when I ran outside to escape from my friends, I heard a non-existent clock strike midnight (strangely enough it was just about midnight this happened), coupled with lightning strikes, skeletons, witches flying through the sky, the whole macabre shebang - as I say, it barely sounds believable, but it happened. This wasn't the highest I've ever dosed but it surely affected me the most.

Finally though, I feel ready to trip again. This is down to one reason alone: I came to terms with the fact that the psychedelic experience is a temporary psychosis and nothing more. The times I've believed the government could be lying to us all about these substances, the times I've felt that my whole existence is just a fabrication, even the aforementioned time I thought some of my close friends were out to get me... all those times were psychoses. Just read this little Wikipedia paragraph on the phenomenon of "Jamais vu" to see why I now feel this way.

Now, I know this is nothing new. People have asserted for quite a while that psychedelics merely induce a psychosis, and they have often drawn links between tripping and schizophrenia. It just feels great to no longer be shrouded in confusion, to finally come close to understanding these substances. I have spent a fair few bad trips in an existential crisis, my mind constantly trying to justify and assimilate the psychedelic experience, always wrestling with the notion that I might be on to something more. It caused many issues in my life, both philosophically and with my lifestyle, interfering with friends and work. Now, I feel like I can start taking these substances and start enjoying them again.

I respect that many people will disagree with me. I know what it's like to smoke DMT, to see these "spirits", to think that there must be something behind it all. I'm going to maintain the view that it's just a complex psychosis though. The idea makes me feel happier, more stable and wiser than any psychedelic philosophy I've ever contemplated.

I suppose I'm posting this just in case anyone finds themselves struggling with psychedelics like I did. If you firmly believe they give you a higher consciousness, then fine, although I personally feel that those sorts of delusions are why these substances will never rear their heads in our civilisation. If you're on the fence, however, and spend many an hour pondering why these entirely non-toxic substances exist yet are still not willing to fully give yourself to them, try just telling yourself there are millions of organisms, millions of possibilities, and it just so happens that these induce a psychosis. You might just like the idea as much as I do.

Please don't think I'm trying to denigrate psychedelics at all. I'm going to keep on taking them. When you're not fretting over existential matters, they are immensely fun, and aside from that these altered states of consciousness - psychoses - are undoubtedly conducive for artistic exploration. All art really is is just an irregular mirror held up to reality anyway, distorting what there is. These substances have helped me spiritually, bringing me closer to nature and extracting me from monetary and other such social concerns, and for that I am very grateful. Yet I am glad that they haven't emblazoned a mark on me philosophically - or religiously as the case may be. Today, atheistic science has triumphed with this psychonaut.

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Re: Turning over a new leaf in the way you think. [Re: Sheeno]
    #14381099 - 05/01/11 02:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Turning over a new leaf in the way you think. [Re: Sheeno]
    #14381512 - 05/01/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I came to terms with the fact that the psychedelic experience is a temporary psychosis and nothing more.




From a sober day-to-day perspective, it does make sense to think of the psychedelic experience as a kind of temporary psychosis which produces delusional thoughts. During a trip, the intensity with which a thought seems to be profound or true is not a good indicator of whether it really is "true" in the normal, logical, scientific sense. The relationship between science and psychedelics is that the scientists should be explaining what happens during a trip, but it often seems that people expect the opposite - that tripping can explain the fundamental nature of not only science, but everything!

On the other hand, clinging too tightly to rationality and science can be part of the cause of an "existential crisis." If someone feels the need to be able to explain everything, pursue every thought to a definite conclusion, have a fixed opinion on every scientific and philosophical argument - that in itself becomes a form of mental instability. In fact, it's attempting to apply this mindset within a trip that can really start to cause trouble. You can reason your way into all sorts of delusional conclusions that you wouldn't have done if you'd been able to lie back and let go. Ditching delusional ideas that you 'reasoned' your way into during a trip can be harder to shake than some mad idea that popped into your head for no particular reason.

I like to try and keep the tripping mindset and the sober mindset separate. Sober, I'm an athiest, materialist, rationalist. When I'm tripping, I just accept that there can be a God somewhere within the trip, that anything can happen, that you can die within the trip and come back, that there is life after death in other dimensions, that there are mystical revelations to be had, that the mind is separate from the body, that the trip shows some kind of fundamental reality, that normal life is a kind of stupor that you "wake up" from when you trip....

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Then I come down again and think, hmmm, I've been tripping again, all these ideas are intriguing and interesting but quite mad. I only get agitated about existential issues if I'm too proud to admit I might be wrong during the transition from sober to tripping or vice versa. Having the regular experience of flipping from one set of beliefs to another (when they are completely contradictory to each other) is actually quite helpful and calming. An existential crisis is partly a simple fear of being wrong or admitting that something can't be known.

I agree about psychedelics having an artistic side to them. I think that tripping within an artistic frame of mind is much more helpful than a scientific one - it's better to use your scientific mindset to analyse your trip when you are sober again. Attempting to use rationality and logical argument to guide you through a trip is like taking a blancmange onto a rollercoaster; things will get messy. If there is a "truth" to psychedelics, it's an artistic one.

I think that psychedelics offer the promise of a profound mystical experience, and deliver it wholesale with an intensity that is beyond description. Saying they are "just a psychosis" downplays their worth in terms of pure experience. The delusions of a trip can be thought of as stories that you tell yourself and come to believe for a little while; they might not be true but they can be very entertaining. Trips are deeply beautiful things, and the complexity and confusion of the thoughts they weave is absolutely fascinating.
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Re: Turning over a new leaf in the way you think. [Re: Aldebaran]
    #14381728 - 05/01/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Even if the trip is a delusion, it's still as real of an experience as any other. Information hits the senses, and the brain converts it into electricity and then into the world that exists, neccessarily, inside our heads. psychedelics alter that universe
so, although the experience isn't probably a reflection of the real universe, it's certainly a full-blown reflection of the user's mind.
psychdelics also allow me to connect ideas from different parts of my mind. i realized the importance of taking care of your network of people, and of being truly honest and myself. i can't tell anyone else how to get there, that's what chemical tools are for.
also, :trippnballs: be fun as fuck.


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