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Poid
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Tchan909 said: Then NO forum is appropriate for a complete rebuttal, and we shall resign ourselves to arguing in neatly discrete circles.
I guess you know exactly what zappa's complete rebuttal would have consisted of. 
And you call yourself educated. 
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Tchan909 said: Face it, the US government is no better than the Taliban...
What do you mean by "better"?
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Tchan909 said: And people who believe in "white guilt" will bitch at me for drawing such comparisons because it provides us all with such wonderful standards of living.
, accusations of white guilt provide us with wonderful standards of living?
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
#14381180 - 05/01/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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iThink said:
You mention Scandinavian countries, and yes they have basically zero poverty, but everyone there doesn't live luxuriously compared to Americans. In America you have so much more access to all sorts of goods and services than anywhere else in the world.
Lastly, you mention public services. The difference with America here is that you are able to do everything privately. As a country we made the decision to use cars as our primary source of transportation, so the government invests lots of money into roads. We also go for private healthcare instead of public healthcare. This allows us to have the most advanced healthcare options in the world. Why do you think whenever someone with money gets sick they come to America for treatment?
Laughable. Every norweigan famile I met each had their own home as well as a vacation home. And these were 'average' norweigan families...
Also lol'ed at 'move advanced healthcare' options... yeah maybe if you have big bucks to spend...
We're fucking dumb compared to most of the advanced world and are becoming bigger consumer whores and bigger, fatter half baked morons by the minute and can barely speak one language.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: foliocb]
#14381189 - 05/01/11 03:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Are Michael Moore movies your primary source for information on healthcare? It is a fact that America is the leader in healthcare technological innovations.
It also seems that you buy into other bullshit like anthropogenic global warming. "
Ya know, not everyone could afford such 'prestigious' medical care unless they were in the top 1% income earners like you. I bet you're one of those dudes who thinks their happiness and purpose in life is directly proportional to the amount of money they earn each year
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: foliocb]
#14381410 - 05/01/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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there's also a huge difference between technological advancement in healthcare and the ability/conditions of providing healthcare to citizens.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: pouihi]
#14381999 - 05/01/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think there's merit to the idea that the USA's brand of strong, conservative capitalism gives it certain advantages over the rest of the world, but I also think there's merit to the idea that it won't last long if the only people who live comfortably here are the top 1% of earners. This is obviously not the case now, but the gap between rich and poor is yawning and the differences in living standards are growing.
Our most advanced health care in the world will go to peanuts if only the super-rich can afford health care at all, because people who are abused by their societies for too long have a way of getting fed-up and lashing out - unless their religions train them in passivity and calmness, which American religion DOES NOT.
Not to put myself in your shoes iThink, but IMO you have rational self-interest in helping those who are less fortunate than yourself.
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Well of course he does... he's another victim of culture. In this case, consumer capitalism 5.0 is the program he's running and he will spend his entire life finding happiness by kicking other peoples teeth in and digging the earth beneath his feat while at the same time poisoning the air he breathes. Clearly intelligent behavior
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Tchan909 said: I think there's merit to the idea that the USA's brand of strong, conservative capitalism gives it certain advantages over the rest of the world, but I also think there's merit to the idea that it won't last long if the only people who live comfortably here are the top 1% of earners. This is obviously not the case now, but the gap between rich and poor is yawning and the differences in living standards are growing.
Our most advanced health care in the world will go to peanuts if only the super-rich can afford health care at all, because people who are abused by their societies for too long have a way of getting fed-up and lashing out - unless their religions train them in passivity and calmness, which American religion DOES NOT.
What is "American religion"? 
Talk about educated generalizations.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Poid] 1
#14411721 - 05/06/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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evangelical baptists, duh
all you do is question shit about people's posts that they assumed was self evident. you're seriously a fiend man, just this internet being of pure incarnated annoyance
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: g00ru]
#14413619 - 05/07/11 02:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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guruu said: evangelical baptists, duh
Oh, I was under the apparently false impression that other religions were significantly prevalent in the US, silly me. 
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guruu said: all you do is question shit about people's posts that they assumed was self evident.
Nah, I do much more than that (not that doing that is in any way a bad thing)--all you do is posit inane/insane bullshit and refuse to respond to people's critiques of the said bullshit.
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guruu said: you're seriously a fiend man, just this internet being of pure incarnated annoyance
Wow, you think what I do here in this debate forum (debate) is more annoying than what you do in this debate forum (nonsensical conjecture)? I swear, something is strange about this, to say the very least.
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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: foliocb]
#14414291 - 05/07/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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foliocb said: Well of course he does... he's another victim of culture. In this case, consumer capitalism 5.0 is the program he's running and he will spend his entire life finding happiness by kicking other peoples teeth in and digging the earth beneath his feat while at the same time poisoning the air he breathes. Clearly intelligent behavior 
So are you telling me I am failing at achieving happiness? Is my preferring of extreme luxury and lacking of fiscal worry an obsolete way of obtaining happiness? I think I would be a better judge of that than you, and I love this lifestyle.
So if I love this lifestyle, then how is it "wrong"? "Wrong" is a completely subjective concept. For my self, the way I live is completely "right" because it allows me to realize my goals, which in turn make me happy.
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