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taking out gaddafi - what a mess
    #14381206 - 05/01/11 03:36 AM (13 years, 21 days ago)

This whole situation is just really sad. Yeah, he's a power hungry fool who has probably killed hundreds of innocent people to protect his regime, but are we, the "good guys," any better?

Yesterdays headlines: disabled children's school hit by airstrike. Then gaddafi's youngest son (perhaps our only ally in his fam) and grandchildren killed in a botched airstrike at his house, while he walked away unharmed.

Fuck...this operation is getting nasty and out of hand. The media is trying to spin it positively with all these stories about gaddafi's troops being issued viagra and stuff to rape women but I get the feeling that was an isolated incident that is just being taken advantage of (no pun intended). Or at the very least, it's being capitalized on to make everyone forgetthat we're stickin our hands in other people's shit and killing just as many innocent people.

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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: JT]
    #14381715 - 05/01/11 08:53 AM (13 years, 21 days ago)

I'm glad the US is having relatively little to do with this.  I thought the mandate was to protect civilians, not kill them.  NATO, as a fighting force, is clearly inept.  Further, there is not one shred of evidence that the people they are helping are one whit better than the people they are fighting.  Sadly I believe that we will find that the next devil in Egypt is going to be much much worse than the old one.  I don't think the supposed common wisdom that democracies are more reluctant to go to war will hold with a Muslim fanatic population.  Ask Lara Logan about the Egyptian people.


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14381848 - 05/01/11 09:47 AM (13 years, 21 days ago)

Notice the media spin.  Every time NATO makes an air strike "rebels" are killed.  And whenever Gaddafi's forces make a strike they are killing "innocent civilians".

We know NATO doesn't give a flying fuck about dead protestors, mourners, or rebels (whatever they were, I don't trust the media).  They are there for money, oil and control, nothing else.

So fucking sad 95% of the population thinks that NATO is being so heroic to take out this brutal dictator.

For the money they spend bombing these countries they could have saved millions of lived through food and diarrhea drugs in Africa.  But bombing the shit out of them is much more "humanitarian".


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: Cannashroom]
    #14381870 - 05/01/11 09:53 AM (13 years, 21 days ago)

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Cannashroom said:
Notice the media spin.  Every time NATO makes an air strike "rebels" are killed.  And whenever Gaddafi's forces make a strike they are killing "innocent civilians".

We know NATO doesn't give a flying fuck about dead protestors, mourners, or rebels (whatever they were, I don't trust the media).  They are there from money, oil and control, nothing else.

So fucking sad 95% of the population thinks that NATO is being so heroic to take out this brutal dictator.




They will buy Libyan oil after this exactly the same as they bought Libyan oil before it.  If it is about oil, why bother?
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For the money they spend bombing these countries they could have saved millions of lived through food and diarrhea drugs in Africa.  But bombing the shit out of them is much more "humanitarian".




:rofl2::facepalm:There is no shortage of money spent on Africa.  The problem is their leaders steal most of it and use it to maintain their dictatorships.


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14386108 - 05/01/11 11:37 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

It was all a set up, the "rebels" were NATO hired thugs and it was used for a PR stunt blasted in the media so they could take Libya like they have wanted and planned for years.

Watch out for other countries also having similar staged "interventions" to mask regime change and financial reform.

Syria and Pakistan perhaps and ultimately they would like to silence Iran.


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: Shins]
    #14386144 - 05/01/11 11:46 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

But iranhas wmd's :laugh:

Yea...no. you're right.

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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: JT]
    #14386150 - 05/01/11 11:48 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

I respect Iran for putting a lot of hard truths into the light, and the way some people react to it says more than words.


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14386540 - 05/02/11 01:41 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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I'm glad the US is having relatively little to do with this.  I thought the mandate was to protect civilians, not kill them.  NATO, as a fighting force, is clearly inept.  Further, there is not one shred of evidence that the people they are helping are one whit better than the people they are fighting.  Sadly I believe that we will find that the next devil in Egypt is going to be much much worse than the old one.  I don't think the supposed common wisdom that democracies are more reluctant to go to war will hold with a Muslim fanatic population.  Ask Lara Logan about the Egyptian people.




:lol:


what does relatively little mean? :shrug:


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: Shins]
    #14386869 - 05/02/11 04:33 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

> I respect Iran for putting a lot of hard truths into the light

That is like respecting Jeffrey Dahlmer for his well refined palate.

Edit: Spelling mistake fixed, thanks Zappa.

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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: imachavel]
    #14387247 - 05/02/11 07:48 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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imachavel said:
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zappaisgod said:
I'm glad the US is having relatively little to do with this.  I thought the mandate was to protect civilians, not kill them.  NATO, as a fighting force, is clearly inept.  Further, there is not one shred of evidence that the people they are helping are one whit better than the people they are fighting.  Sadly I believe that we will find that the next devil in Egypt is going to be much much worse than the old one.  I don't think the supposed common wisdom that democracies are more reluctant to go to war will hold with a Muslim fanatic population.  Ask Lara Logan about the Egyptian people.




:lol:


what does relatively little mean? :shrug:



What do you think it means?  We aren't leading it and we have minimal contributions.  I don't think are planes are flying any sorties and all we are currently doing is flying drones.  I believe.  I haven't read anything about any US missions, either led or participated in since the very beginning.  I think this whole thing was mostly concocted by the French from the beginning, Bernard Henri-Levy in particular got in Sarcozy's ear.


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: Seuss]
    #14387250 - 05/02/11 07:49 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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> I respect Iran for putting a lot of hard truths into the light

That is like respecting Jeffrey Dahlmer for his well refined palette.



Palate, Seuss, palate.  Unless you meant you liked his paintings.


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14387438 - 05/02/11 08:40 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Seuss said:
> I respect Iran for putting a lot of hard truths into the light

That is like respecting Jeffrey Dahlmer for his well refined palette.



Palate, Seuss, palate.  Unless you meant you liked his paintings.




Ack, thanks... early morning + spell checker = fail /w a bit of humor.


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14387763 - 05/02/11 10:22 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Seuss said:
> I respect Iran for putting a lot of hard truths into the light

That is like respecting Jeffrey Dahlmer for his well refined palette.



Palate, Seuss, palate.  Unless you meant you liked his paintings.




i heard that niggas paintings were sick like dhali sick :smirk:


btw i hope it STAYS 'relatively' that we are uninvolved. kind of like seeing a war outside, and you open your window and start popping people, but after a few days you take off and let them battle it out. 'RELATIVELY' uninvolved

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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: Seuss]
    #14389430 - 05/02/11 03:52 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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Seuss said:
> I respect Iran for putting a lot of hard truths into the light

That is like respecting Jeffrey Dahlmer for his well refined palate.

Edit: Spelling mistake fixed, thanks Zappa.



I was reading the NY Post today and Stanley Crouch was screaming something about Alex Haley.  He wrote:

"Haley succeeded in being such a big public liar because few are interested in righting a con job that's been passed off as good sherbet that can soothe the palette."

This is a professional writer who's column is read by several editors and proofreaders before it gets published.:facepalm:


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: Seuss]
    #14389492 - 05/02/11 04:00 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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Seuss said:
> I respect Iran for putting a lot of hard truths into the light

That is like respecting Jeffrey Dahlmer for his well refined palate.

Edit: Spelling mistake fixed, thanks Zappa.




Have you actually sat down and listened to one or more of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speeches at the UN? or did you walk out / turn it off after the hard truths came out like the rest of them?

Besides, what's wrong with appreciating Jeffrey Dahlmer's palate, or hitler's paintings, or Obama's basketball skills?

Do you guys not have the mental capacity to separate and isolate ideas and actions regardless of the person?

I have my doubts, hence why i haven;t been posting here lately.


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: Shins]
    #14389576 - 05/02/11 04:15 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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Shins said:
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Seuss said:
> I respect Iran for putting a lot of hard truths into the light

That is like respecting Jeffrey Dahlmer for his well refined palate.

Edit: Spelling mistake fixed, thanks Zappa.




Have you actually sat down and listened to one or more of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speeches at the UN? or did you walk out / turn it off after the hard truths came out like the rest of them?

Besides, what's wrong with appreciating Jeffrey Dahlmer's palate, or hitler's paintings, or Obama's basketball skills?

Do you guys not have the mental capacity to separate and isolate ideas and actions regardless of the person?

I have my doubts, hence why i haven;t been posting here lately.




Jeffery Dahmer was a cannibal, Hitler's paintings were mediocre at best and nobody, as far as I know, has actually seen Barry play ball.  Why do you believe media reports that he does?

I don't care why you don't post as long as you don't post here.  You are one of the most antisemitic, terrorist loving members of the Shroomery and have no redeeming social value whatsoever.  Look that phrase up and see what it refers to.


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14389715 - 05/02/11 04:35 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

Zappa, you;re thick as fuck.

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"antisemitic"




I have told you probably 5 times already that "Semitic" means "descendant of shem" which means that more Arabs and muslims are in fact Semitic.

That's another thing you discover when you apply science, try it.

You also discover that Israel is full of Ashkenazim "jews" who are actually converts and have no genetic ties to shem.

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"terrorist loving members of the Shroomery"




I don;t love terrorism. you do.  let me help you with the science okay?  here is the definition of terrorism:

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the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.




Well fuck me, the west NEVER does any of that right? NOT!!!

I simply have listened to, and see some truth and credibility in some of the ideas of who have been popularly labeled as a "terrorist."

Ideas - yes,
Violence - no.

That's one thing you need to realize Zappa, you can kill a million Arabs but you can never kill Ideas.


By the way, I have blood ties to the Israelites :facepalm3:

Guess i'm a self hating jew then right?

NOT

Another thing science helps us learn Zappa is that not all Semites/Israelite descendants are Jewish.

Once you can get past that, maybe we can have a conversation of political Zionism and it's supporters and their role today.


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: Shins]
    #14389799 - 05/02/11 04:49 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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Zappa, you;re thick as fuck.

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"antisemitic"




I have told you probably 5 times already that "Semitic" means "descendant of shem" which means that more Arabs and muslims are in fact Semitic.

That's another thing you discover when you apply science, try it.

You also discover that Israel is full of Ashkenazim "jews" who are actually converts and have no genetic ties to shem.

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"terrorist loving members of the Shroomery"




I don;t love terrorism. you do.  let me help you with the science okay?  here is the definition of terrorism:

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1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.




Well fuck me, the west NEVER does any of that right? NOT!!!

I simply have listened to, and see some truth and credibility in some of the ideas of who have been popularly labeled as a "terrorist."

Ideas - yes,
Violence - no.

That's one thing you need to realize Zappa, you can kill a million Arabs but you can never kill Ideas.


By the way, I have blood ties to the Israelites :facepalm3:

Guess i'm a self hating jew then right?

NOT

Another thing science helps us learn Zappa is that not all Semites/Israelite descendants are Jewish.

Once you can get past that, maybe we can have a conversation of political Zionism and it's supporters and their role today.




Your definition of terrorism is so overly broad that it could be used to declare a meter maid as a terrorist.  "I just saw a meter maid and I'm afraid there is a threat that I'm going to get a ticket."  If I don't pay the ticket they will come with guns and arrest me (that would be your violence right there, coercing me to pay with the threat of it.  By the way, word definitions aren't science.

And if you don't like the current usage of anti-semite I'll narrow it down for you.  You are a Jew hater.  I've heard the Islamofascists ideas and I've heard your ideas.  They are vile and repugnant, utterly at odds with freedom


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14389992 - 05/02/11 05:24 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

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Your definition of terrorism is so overly broad that it could be used to declare a meter maid as a terrorist.  "I just saw a meter maid and I'm afraid there is a threat that I'm going to get a ticket."  If I don't pay the ticket they will come with guns and arrest me (that would be your violence right there, coercing me to pay with the threat of it.  By the way, word definitions aren't science.

And if you don't like the current usage of anti-semite I'll narrow it down for you.  You are a Jew hater.  I've heard the Islamofascists ideas and I've heard your ideas.  They are vile and repugnant, utterly at odds with freedom




My definition? you mean the one i just quoted from the dictionary right?  look it up yourself, any dictionary will say something similar.

your analogy about the meter maid and the broad use of the term is a perfect parallel to how the word is used popularly today.

In my opinion, the income tax is terrorism, but that's another tread...



RE: Jew hater.  I don't hate jews, or make any generalizations like that.  I do have problems with racism and larceny etc. no matter whom from, A Jew, An Arian or any other group.  Likewise, the actions of one or a few, are not necessarily condoned by a larger group they may be a part of.

If you had taken a more scientific approach to your investigation Zappa, you might have realized that when i say things like "Zionist" or "israeli" I'm not always talking about Jews.

"Jew" comes Jesus' nemesis Judah and from The tribe of Judah, there were at least 11 other Semitic tribes of Israel.

Besides, I have only ever criticized the policies of Israel and Zionism, never once have I ever mentioned the words "kingdom of Judah."

Like i say, once you can get past that stumbling block we can have a real discussion.


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the Islamofascists ideas


So you're a muslim hater, how ironic!

or not?  have you heard the regular islamo ideas?  some of them aren't so bad.

Besides, when did "islamofascists" come to apply to me or the ideas i find credence in?

Why does it even matter who expresses and independent idea if that idea has credibility?

Racists might say "he's chinese so forget everything he says"

Or racists like Zappa will say "islamofascist"


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Re: taking out gaddafi - what a mess [Re: Shins]
    #14390080 - 05/02/11 05:39 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

I'm a fascist hater.  Islamists are fascists.  If they weren't fascists I wouldn't hate them.


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