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Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill
    #14379721 - 04/30/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

sorry if this has already been posted. I know there have been similar stories posted.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/30/us-marijuana-medical-idUSTRE73T09620110430


Reuters) - Washington's governor on Friday vetoed most provisions of bill to establish state licensing for cultivation and distribution of medical marijuana, saying she did not want to put state employees at risk of federal prosecution.

Governor Christine Gregoire said she was swayed by a legal opinion issued earlier this month by federal prosecutors threatening to crack down not only on dispensary owners and growers but on state regulators enforcing the proposed law.

The Democratic-controlled legislature passed the bill in response to a recent proliferation of storefront dispensaries that are neither explicitly permitted nor banned under the 1998 voter-approved state law legalizing pot for medical purposes.

The vetoed bill would have directed the state Health Department to devise a system for regulating and licensing medical marijuana dispensaries and directed the state Agriculture Department to do the same for growers.

Gregoire, however, let stand several minor provisions, one allowing collective gardens for medical marijuana patients of up to 45 plants total but no more than 15 per person.

The law previously authorized a 60-day individual patient supply of up to 24 ounces and 15 plants.

Although cannabis is still listed as an illegal narcotic under federal law, 15 states and the District of Columbia have statutes decriminalizing marijuana for medical reasons, according to the National Drug Policy Alliance.

A handful of those states -- Colorado, New Mexico, Maine and Rhode Island among them -- also have enacted licensing and regulatory controls over medical marijuana suppliers.

Colorado alone has 800 state-licensed dispensaries and growers, said Tamar Todd, an alliance attorney in California.

The number of pot growers and storefront clinics in some states, including Washington, has surged since the U.S. Justice Department said in October 2009 that it would no longer prosecute patients who use medical marijuana, or shops that dispense it, in states that have legalized it.

In recent months, however, the Justice Department has taken a hard line against what it considers illegal drug activities conducted under the guise of state medical marijuana laws.

In March, federal agents raided marijuana greenhouses and dispensaries in 13 cities across Montana in a crackdown that federal prosecutors said was aimed at supposed medical cannabis suppliers who were engaged in large-scale drug trafficking.

Earlier this month, Washington's two U.S. attorneys, Jenny Durkan of Seattle and Michael Ormsby of Spokane, said in a legal opinion that new state controls on medical marijuana cultivation and distribution would not render growers, dispensary operators or even their landlords and financiers immunity from federal prosecution and civil actions.

Moreover, they wrote that "state employees who conducted activities mandated by the Washington legislative proposals would not be immune from liability" from prosecution.

Gregoire said federal prosecutors in Colorado and Rhode Island had taken similar positions in recent days.

"I will not subject my state employees to prosecution. That would be irresponsible on my part," Gregoire, a Democrat, told reporters. "That's the clear reason for what I'm doing."

She pointed to a series of raids of dispensaries by federal agents in Spokane on Thursday as "an indication that we need to take the U.S. attorney at his word."

But Todd said talk of prosecuting state employees amounted to an empty threat.

"There's nothing in federal law that makes it a crime for a state employee to regulate and license medical marijuana," she said, adding that the alternative to regulation is a "chaotic system" that makes "less clear who is in compliance."

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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: grimrs]
    #14379995 - 04/30/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it's gonna take awhile for all this outrage i feel to settle in on how effectively the federal government is making medical marijuana impossible for us to attain nationally.

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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: blazenn]
    #14380053 - 04/30/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I was astounded when I moved from Texas to Colorado and saw the massive mmj market. I predicted this would happen, I just figured it wouldn't be until theend of our current monkey's term in office. I was a little late on my predictions.


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: grimrs]
    #14380250 - 04/30/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I voted for her... :facepalm:

She should have just let it fly, consequences be damned. Innocent people being prosecuted by the feds is unfortunate, but it's the fast track to changing cannabis laws to something more rational. When the feds fuck over someone who's just trying to provide/receive medication all they are doing is creating another activist.


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: SWEDEN]
    #14380315 - 04/30/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Guys it's not medicine any more than bud you'll buy across the country. It's just pot. I really think were digging ourselves a deeper hole with the bullshit medical guise.

That's not to say it can't be used in a way that is medically beneficial to some people.

But that's not what's going on. What's happening is were finally able to openly grow/sell/smoke cannabis like we ways should. The opposition realizes this and takes action. It's simple.

Because it's not "Medicine". It's just weed. It's awesome. We should be able to smoke it whether were terminally I'll or not so lets work on that fact and stop distracting from the real issue

CIVIL RIGHTS.

Saying "oo government ur takin medicine from sick patients" will, understandable go in one ear out the other of these agencies.


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: LightShedder]
    #14380414 - 04/30/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Guys it's not medicine any more than bud you'll buy across the country. It's just pot. I really think were digging ourselves a deeper hole with the bullshit medical guise.

That's not to say it can't be used in a way that is medically beneficial to some people.

But that's not what's going on. What's happening is were finally able to openly grow/sell/smoke cannabis like we ways should. The opposition realizes this and takes action. It's simple.

Because it's not "Medicine". It's just weed. It's awesome. We should be able to smoke it whether were terminally I'll or not so lets work on that fact and stop distracting from the real issue

CIVIL RIGHTS.

Saying "oo government ur takin medicine from sick patients" will, understandable go in one ear out the other of these agencies.





Exactly. I agree with you. Most of the people smoking pot, do it because they like it. Has nothing to do with medicine. If they just legalize the damn plant, then if people want to use it medicinally, they can. No one would then have to come up with a medical excuse to get it. This is one of the least dangerous drugs in existence, and it is not any of the governments business if folks want to get high.

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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: LightShedder]
    #14380478 - 05/01/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Because it's not "Medicine". It's just weed.




That's like saying a tree is not lumber, it's just paper.

Can't it be a medicine and a drug? A miracle drug that treats cancer, glaucoma, crohn's disease, chronic pain, MS, AIDS...
The two are not mutually exclusive.

Of course weed should be legal for consumption by either sick people or people who just want the pleasant effects. There are voters out there whos opinions won't be swayed on the "just getting high" aspect. They will however be swayed by compassion and common sense when it comes weed's medicinal value, and that is a big clown-shoed foot in the door for general decriminalization.

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Saying "oo government ur takin medicine from sick patients" will, understandable go in one ear out the other of these agencies.




Why would we want to convince the government? They have to do what the VOTERS tell them. If enough states legalize, then congress has to ratify it.

I agree that it's a huge civil rights violation to lock people away for drug use, but there are tons of ignorant people in this country who don't see it that way.


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14380523 - 05/01/11 12:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LightShedder said:
Guys it's not medicine any more than bud you'll buy across the country. It's just pot. I really think were digging ourselves a deeper hole with the bullshit medical guise.

That's not to say it can't be used in a way that is medically beneficial to some people.

But that's not what's going on. What's happening is were finally able to openly grow/sell/smoke cannabis like we ways should. The opposition realizes this and takes action. It's simple.

Because it's not "Medicine". It's just weed. It's awesome. We should be able to smoke it whether were terminally I'll or not so lets work on that fact and stop distracting from the real issue

CIVIL RIGHTS.

Saying "oo government ur takin medicine from sick patients" will, understandable go in one ear out the other of these agencies.





Exactly. I agree with you. Most of the people smoking pot, do it because they like it. Has nothing to do with medicine. If they just legalize the damn plant, then if people want to use it medicinally, they can. No one would then have to come up with a medical excuse to get it. This is one of the least dangerous drugs in existence, and it is not any of the governments business if folks want to get high.




I know we're all on the same side here, but why adopt the "all or nothing" stance? One step at a time is better than nothing. Compare it to the struggle of African Americans. They didn't just go from being slaves to average citizens. It took another hundred years of civil rights battles for them to be made truly equal in the eyes of the law (but for decades after that and even today there is discrimination, just like there will be for "stoners" when weed is finally legal).

It's been almost 80 years since weed was criminalized and we are getting closer to fixing that mistake each day. This sort of thing will not happen overnight.

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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: SWEDEN]
    #14380538 - 05/01/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"they have to do what voters tell them to"

You really believe this is true? Are you not aware of the contents of this op and countless other stories like it?

I already covered the possible medical benefits of mj. The fact is, perhaps your unaware, that literally 99% of the registered mmj patients are not sick/medically dependent on cannabis. These facts are openly communicated within the legal medical states.

So the government steps in and says, hey you guys aren't using this as medicine (which we aren't mostly) ur just getting high.

Our line is not "oo but these droogz are our medicine!"

No, it's "of course we are just getting high, what's the big deal?"

The mmj thing is literally an insult to the drug enforcement agencies intelligence. Your ignorant if you think they are completely lacking any intelligence. And you'll be surprised I guess when they put an end to the medical marijuana guise.

Legalization is the only way.

Let me ask anyone who wants to argue with me on this

Are you a registered mmj patient?
How many different dispensaries have you been to?
How many different mmj doctors have you seen?
What state do you live in?

That will determine the credibility of your opinion on the subject.

It's annoying when weed has to have this hospital-scrubs vibe.


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: SWEDEN]
    #14380571 - 05/01/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dont mean to disagree with the baby steps towards legalization. But having talked to a few medical professionals, it seems like MMJ is more of a risk and hassle than anything for them.

Yes it can be used medically, but Im also willing to bet that about 80-90 percent of people holding that medical card, have nothing wrong with them, requiring medical usage.

Im saying, we should just call it as it is. People like to get high, most of the time the medicinal value is irrelevent.

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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #14380605 - 05/01/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In Colorado the state recognizes that OVER 90% of registered "patients are not in need of cannabis. Lol durrrh! They're all just like me! Early 20's, white and perfectly healthy ready for stone-age. It's awesome! But the medical bullshit at this point is just a joke.


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: LightShedder]
    #14380624 - 05/01/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"they have to do what voters tell them to"

You really believe this is true? Are you not aware of the contents of this op and countless other stories like it?




Are you aware of the difference between federal and state government? They aren't just one big organization.

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The fact is, perhaps your unaware, that literally 99% of the registered mmj patients are not sick/medically dependent on cannabis. These facts are openly communicated within the legal medical states.




Source on the 99% figure? I'm not sure what you mean here. There are sick people who depend on cannabis because that's the only drug they've found that works, then there are those who prefer cannabis over other treatments for various reasons. If you are inferring that only 1% of people with medical MJ cards are actually sick and the other 99% just have them for easy access to the drug, I find that very hard to believe.

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Our line is not "oo but these droogz are our medicine!"

No, it's "of course we are just getting high, what's the big deal?"




Can't someone be both a casual cannabis user and a supporter of medical use? I don't need it for an illness, I just like to get high. But I also think that it's more important to relieve suffering than have easy access to legal weed for my own selfish habit. (I'm not implying that it's okay to persecute drug users.)

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The mmj thing is literally an insult to the drug enforcement agencies intelligence. Your ignorant if you think they are completely lacking any intelligence. And you'll be surprised I guess when they put an end to the medical marijuana guise.




Again, the feds are not the ones that the legalization movement are trying to convince. Ordinary citizens are. Who cares what the government thinks? The illegal status of drugs doesn't stop anyone from using them.
I find it ironic that you say I'm ignorant yet do not know the different between "your" and "you're". And don't call me a grammar nazi, just trying to make a point.


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: LightShedder]
    #14380640 - 05/01/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

 
Table II:  Conditions
Reported Condition
Number of Patients Reporting Condition
Percent of Patients Reporting Condition**
Cachexia
1,583
1%
Cancer
2,598
2%
Glaucoma
1,109
1%
HIV/AIDS
643
1%
Muscle Spasms
26,151
21%
Seizures
1,711
1%
Severe Pain
116,858
94%
Severe Nausea
15,177
12%
**Does not add to 100% as some patients report using medical marijuana for more than one debilitating medical condition.
 

Lol that's a list from colorados website. "severe pain" is what we all say. Me, I get headaches :rasta:


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: LightShedder]
    #14380656 - 05/01/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Are you implying that cannabis cannot be used to treat severe pain? I know several wounded vets who say they could not live a normal life without it.

If you have a medical marijuana card but are not actually ill, good for you. You might even be slowing down progress towards total legalization.

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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: SWEDEN]
    #14380658 - 05/01/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol grammar Nazi

Not that I care how neurotic you are, but I'll go on ant tell ya I'm typing all this on my iPhone that has a funny habit of changing the way I spell things, thinking it's doing me a favor.


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: SWEDEN]
    #14380665 - 05/01/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Are you implying that cannabis cannot be used to treat severe pain? I know several wounded vets who say they could not live a normal life without it.

If you have a medical marijuana card but are not actually ill, good for you. You might even be slowing down progress towards total legalization.




Where would you get the idea that I said such a thing?


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: LightShedder]
    #14380668 - 05/01/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Pointing out the irony of a statement is not being neurotic.

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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: SWEDEN]
    #14380676 - 05/01/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ignorance and English literacy are two totally different concepts bud.


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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: LightShedder]
    #14380681 - 05/01/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. Posting a list of statistics with little or no description of why they are relevant can be a bit confusing.

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Re: Washington governor vetoes medical pot licensing bill [Re: LightShedder]
    #14380690 - 05/01/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What if someone is ignorant of the english language? Not so different then, are they? It's all about context.

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