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Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum
#14379659 - 04/30/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Finally managed to get my hands on 15 fresh Mandragora officinarum seeds and I'm happy to report that 8 of these have so far germinated. Seems these aren't so hard to germinate especially if fresh seed is obtained.
The seeds were sown in seed raising mix on the 26/3/2011 which is Autumn here. They took about 2 weeks for the first ones to sprout and others have continued to sprout over the weeks. The seed was sown at a depth of about 1/4 inch and were kept moist.
Here's some pictures of how they emerge:
Seedling with seed coat still attached:

Cotyledons:

First true leaf:

Update: 8/7/2011 3months old
Well I noticed some fine feeder roots were poking out of the drain holes, a good sign to repot. A total of 10 out of 15 seeds sprouted which I think is pretty good considering what I've read about them being hard to germinate. Here's a picture of them before being uprooted:

Here they are lined up showing their roots. Still quite small but getting there:

A commercial seed raising mix was used but this contains no nutrients so I mixed in some organic potting mix at a ratio of about a quarter. This should do them until Spring comes, we're in the middle of Winter at the moment. Once Spring rolls around and they really start growing they'll be supplemented with a liquid fertiliser.
I thought I had enbough 12 inch pots but I didn't. Four of the largest plants were put into a community pot, while the rest were put back singly into 6 inch pots. Not ideal but better than their current situation.
The finished product:

Update 21/12/2011 9 months old.
Since being outside in the Summer heat they've shed their leaves and haven't done much really. All seem to be ok though, growing points healthy and the roots are hard. Curiosity got to me so I uprooted One to check.

Update 17/6/2012 1 Year 1 month and 25 days old.
About Two months ago, nearing the end of Autumn, these started to wake from their dormant period over the warmer months of Summer. I was away for a while and on my return I discovered some new growth. One had rotted about an inch(2.5cm) from the top but had cauterized itself and now seems to be getting ready to grow. The rest are as pictured.



Update 18/11/2012 1 year 7 months and 23 days old.
The mandrakes are entering their Summer dormancy, only 1 out of 7 has leaves. This started happening about a month ago(late Spring). I was inspecting the plants and seen what I thought was the crown of one rotting so I dug it up for a look. It was fine, the root was solid with no signs of rot, and had just shrunk itself below the soil surface.
 After the picture it was potted into a 12 inch deep container until the growing season returns in late Autumn.
Update 21/4/2013 2 years 3 weeks and 5 days old
Dormancy seems to have broken and new growth is emerging. Gave the ones in the picture a repot into larger containers. Some have lost some fine roots but seem to be putting out new ones. One, not pictured, was broken in half and potted with the others. Hopefully get an extra plant.

Update 17/5/2013 2 years 4 months and 24 days old.
Leaves developing. Two, pictured at front left and right, are the ones that were divided. One seems to be forming a crown(left side) while the other(right side) has callused and in time will hopefully push out some foliage.

Edited by karode13 (05/17/13 01:04 AM)
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#14380345 - 04/30/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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They need DEEP pots. I killed mine by being root bound. Good luck, I'd like to try again sometime.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#14380422 - 04/30/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've got them in 6 inch deep pots for now. Once the they get a few true leaves they'll be planted into 12 inch community pots.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#14380910 - 05/01/11 01:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good job! What use do they have other than old pagan beliefs?
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: fngbronco]
#14385800 - 05/01/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Keeping my eye on this one!
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: J.T]
#14389052 - 05/02/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The fruits WITHOUT the seeds were used by the Egyptians for making beer. Seeing how consuming this plant's alkaloids is supposed to make you projectile vomit, I'd say that's a fair sign that the fruit are alkaloid free or at least minimal levels.
In the old days it was used to knock people out after surgery. It is a powerful sedative. I mean coma-like sleep for 12+ hours strong. Then at higher doses it is obviously a deliriant and obviously at some point it will 86 your ass. However it is interesting to note that in a lot of herbals it warns against it causing dementia rather than death. That is most likely because you make it into a salve which seems to give you some standardization as far as dosing.
This brings me to the next use, flying ointments. Different tropane carriers have different flavors to them. Mandrake is a strong narcotic. I haven't ever pushed it much beyond that. However I did one time mix in some angel trumpet flower with a batch. Made the mandrake a little stronger but also made me feel the after tropane dumbed down feeling. In the old world, Belladonna was the go to admixture. Supposed to cause sensations of flight topically. Then there are things like henbane and what have you. Which I remember back in the day a guy describing a henbane trip as being similar to that scene in The Cell where the serial killer is disemboweling Vince Vaughn's character. Described it as legitimately traumatic. I remember reading about some guy who was supposed to be a European expert on the subject who killed himself "test flying" a cocktail. Not exactly safe stuff. I do like Mandragora though.
I forgot to say that at extremely low doses its supposedly an aphrodisiac although I can't say anything about its effectiveness or nature as such.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#14390032 - 05/02/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's crazy! Is it narcotic like opiate or like deleriant? What parts are consumed? I'd never mess with tropanes but it sounds interesting on this one.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: fngbronco]
#14390208 - 05/02/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just the root, but its only used topically as it is also a strong emetic. No more like a strong tranquilizer. I meant narcotic as in sleep inducing. Its all very dose dependent. It is a deliriant at high doses. Although I've never made a salve strong enough to get there. It is all very concentration dependent too IE if you make a salve for sleep, its damn near impossible, in my experience, to take it farther than that. I mean I was trying to see how far I could take it. After applying it to most of the areas on my body with good surface capillary density, and only sleeping longer, I tried to open my pores via hot water and then use it, only to get slightly stronger effects but still no weird dream states or anything beyond deep sleep. I don't have time to be all janked out like that so haven't pushed the envelope much. Over the years I have learned that my favorite use of tropanes is as a potentiator of classic psychedelic substances. I'll probably try this out at some point. The things I like about mandrake are that 1) it knocks you out which makes you less of a treat to yourself as far as anticholinergics go. 2) at least at the doses that I've tried, it doesn't make you feel dumber than a fucking hammer like the others. A muscaria is anticholinergic. Just saying, there's definitely a range of effects.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: fngbronco]
#14403572 - 05/05/11 03:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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mr_minds_eye has pretty much summed up the usage. There's plenty more but these are considered dangerous by todays standards.
I'm growing them as I have a thing, call it a fascination, with the wiccan herbs of old. I've also been growing a different member of the Solanaceae family for the last few years. I thought it was time to give Mandrake a go.
I like to have a mixture of plants growing at one time. Some for food and medicine, some for spiritual development, some just because they're good to look at and some that can induce death. Mandrake falls into a few of those categories.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#14414684 - 05/07/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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How are your friends doing? I am really hoping that you are wildly successful at this.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#14416648 - 05/07/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The little guys are doing well thanks. 9 out of 15 are up and happily growing.
I'll be out of the country for about a month at the end of the week and I'm a little anxious of how these will fare while away. I do have someone who'll water them but still it's hard not to worry.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#14417238 - 05/07/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those are some hard seedlings to keep just so. Best of luck and I hope that you have a pleasant sabbatical.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#14734451 - 07/08/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Updated.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#14736025 - 07/08/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lookin awesome karode, keep it up buddy
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#14888426 - 08/08/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Woop! looking good!
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: J.T]
#15547309 - 12/20/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Karode, how goes the grow? Started looking for seed lately and wondering how these babies are doing.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: turtle_hermit]
#15548369 - 12/20/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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They're still alive but since they've been outside during our Summer they've shed all their leaves and they seem to not want to grow back. The growing points on all of them are still Green and the roots are firm so I suspect they're ok, just waiting for ideal conditions before putting some foliage on again.
I have been planning on re potting some of them and maybe dividing a couple so if I get my shit together I could have pictures up in a week or Two to show their progress.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#15548637 - 12/21/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn. I take it ideal conditions are less on the high heat side of things?
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: turtle_hermit]
#15548957 - 12/21/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe. I guess I'll find out.
Updated the original post as well. You got me curious so I uprooted one for a look.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#15550523 - 12/21/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Karode, those can still grow back, and they do prefer the cold weather. Most germination occurs in the fall or spring. I had a bunch of small plants die back this summer to the point that I just assumed they were gone. I totally forgot they existed. As fall set in, they began to show nice green leaves and began growing pretty quickly. I dug them up to notice that the roots had gotten pretty beefy. I am pretty sure the roots continued growing even without leaves.
The previous year, I had some plants that lost leaves indoors to underwatering. But they grew back nicely in the spring. The life of the plant is really in the root.
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WSS, how fresh is your seed? Since germination can be hard without fresher seed...just wondering. Sorry for thread derail.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: turtle_hermit]
#15554605 - 12/22/11 02:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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@WSS: Thanks for the info. I germinated these back in our Autumn and they grew well up until Summer. The root of the one I dug up seemed to have doubled in size even with no leaves. It's now a proper tuber.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#15557429 - 12/22/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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@ Turtle-hermit; They are fresh. We get new batches a few times a year so that the seeds are never old. And the seeds can last more than a year anyway, which is evidenced by the fact that the stubborn ones sometimes pop up the following year with the seasonal changes. We've had a lot of people report success with our stock.
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Thanks for the info, WSS.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: turtle_hermit]
#16393641 - 06/17/12 05:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Updated with new Autumn/Fall growth!
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#16396365 - 06/17/12 07:08 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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from wikipediaQuote:
When taken internally in large doses, however, it is said to excite delirium and madness.[3]
sounds like my type of plant.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: ferrel_human]
#16396405 - 06/17/12 07:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow,how did I miss this thread,Awesome work Karode!
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#17237037 - 11/17/12 06:45 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Updated with a picture and some information.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#17237286 - 11/17/12 07:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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nice to see its doing good.
this plant comes out in my ethnobotanical atrocities book.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#18142298 - 04/20/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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They'reeee baaaack!!
Annual Autumn/Fall update.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#18144937 - 04/21/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good to see them still going strong. These are still on my list of plants to grow out. Too many plants, not enough time.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: turtle_hermit]
#18145501 - 04/21/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks turtle. You should grow some, they're quite easy and need little care for most of the year. They also grow when cactus are dormant, which helps me through the Winter. Mushrooms help too.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#18145547 - 04/21/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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is the plant basically the whole root?
awesome grow btw, k-man.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: ferrel_human]
#18146427 - 04/21/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah. Basically growing it for the underground portion. With a bit of luck it should resemble a human in a few years, although I think some imagination will need to be employed.
After this I will start using them to curse and summon demons.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#18152669 - 04/22/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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karode13 said: Yeah. Basically growing it for the underground portion. With a bit of luck it should resemble a human in a few years, although I think some imagination will need to be employed.
After this I will start using them to curse and summon demons.
Totally live your sig out
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: ferrel_human]
#18155974 - 04/23/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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wow this is wicked awesome. i want to try! although i'm still a beginner grower but my mom is excellent at gardening.
i just wanted to say this is cool. haha
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: ferrel_human] 1
#18158016 - 04/23/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks, I think it's cool too. You should try growing some, they practically grow themselves and I'm sure your mum can help out if things go weird.
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karode13 said: Yeah. Basically growing it for the underground portion. With a bit of luck it should resemble a human in a few years, although I think some imagination will need to be employed.
After this I will start using them to curse and summon demons.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum [Re: karode13]
#18276972 - 05/17/13 01:04 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Updated with picture.
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Re: Mandrake- Mandragora officinarum (moved) [Re: karode13]
#26297523 - 11/04/19 03:39 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Ethnobotanical Grow Logs and Pictures.
Reason: More useful here
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