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America Is Assassinating Dictators
    #14379449 - 04/30/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah so we just attempted to assassinate the leader of Libya but killed his son and grandkids instead. What has our country become? How will this affect us at home, do you think Gaddaffi is going to enact revenge on our homeland? Supposedly what we did was illegal under international law. Libya is separated, and half of them are pissed that we killed Saif, Gaddaffi's son. Our excuse is that we are trying to protect civilians. So we get a pass on anyone we want to evaporate.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster] * 2
    #14379455 - 04/30/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

At the very least, we should make the oil companies pay for the wars we fight on their behalf.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379457 - 04/30/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yup, crap like that keeps me from wanting kids. Even if we aren't the ones getting blown to bits, I hate to be associated with it with my tax dollars that I am forced to pay or go to jail.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379463 - 04/30/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

our(yeah right) "country" hasnt become anything. this is what its always been.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
    #14379469 - 04/30/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it doesnt really bother me because it doesnt effect me in any way. :shrug:

so what if he died. hes just one face among 6 billion.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
    #14379473 - 04/30/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here is Gaddafi saying that he wants to negotiate with us and have a ceasefire. NATO has declined that offer...


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379554 - 04/30/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so really the thread title is not accurate.  more like "N.A.T.O. carries out airstrike"


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: California]
    #14379556 - 04/30/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

NATO is us


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379565 - 04/30/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He only wants a ceasefire to reinforce his position and destroy any momentum the rebels might have. Accepting the ceasefire would be a huge mistake on NATO's part because the damage is already done and if Ghadaffi is left standing he will surely fund terrorist organizations after all the shit we've done to him.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379566 - 04/30/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

not just us though, and not a soul was assasinated.  you're spin on this subject is on par with, but the polar opposite of that of FOX news some might say.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379569 - 04/30/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is out of control


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: California]
    #14379586 - 04/30/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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not just us though, and not a soul was assasinated.  you're spin on this subject is on par with, but the polar opposite of that of FOX news some might say.



Saif his son was indeed assassinated.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379614 - 04/30/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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not just us though, and not a soul was assasinated.  you're spin on this subject is on par with, but the polar opposite of that of FOX news some might say.



Saif his son was indeed assassinated.




N.A.T.O. does not assasinate, and Saif was not a dictator.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: California]
    #14379649 - 04/30/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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not just us though, and not a soul was assasinated.  you're spin on this subject is on par with, but the polar opposite of that of FOX news some might say.



Saif his son was indeed assassinated.




N.A.T.O. does not assasinate, and Saif was not a dictator.




what are you trying to defend


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: California]
    #14379658 - 04/30/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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not just us though, and not a soul was assasinated.  you're spin on this subject is on par with, but the polar opposite of that of FOX news some might say.



Saif his son was indeed assassinated.




N.A.T.O. does not assasinate, and Saif was not a dictator.



I didn't say Saif was a dictator. I said Saif was assassinated by NATO.
Lets look at the definition
Assassinate-to kill suddenly or secretively, especially a politically prominent person.

Hmmmmm did NATO suddenly kill a politically prominent person:strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard:


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: owls]
    #14379666 - 04/30/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

nothing.
I'm simply pointing out his completely inaccurate statements.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Silversoul]
    #14379670 - 04/30/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Are you surprised that America is assassinating dictators?

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At the very least, we should make the oil companies pay for the wars we fight on their behalf.




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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: owls]
    #14379675 - 04/30/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So is that our excuse for raising gas up another dollar?


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379688 - 04/30/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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not just us though, and not a soul was assasinated.  you're spin on this subject is on par with, but the polar opposite of that of FOX news some might say.



Saif his son was indeed assassinated.




N.A.T.O. does not assasinate, and Saif was not a dictator.



I didn't say Saif was a dictator. I said Saif was assassinated by NATO.
Lets look at the definition
Assassinate-to kill suddenly or secretively, especially a politically prominent person.

Hmmmmm did NATO suddenly kill a politically prominent person:strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard:



you said that Dictators were assasinated, he was not a dictator.
you should look at the definition of Dictator.

it's hardly sudden bombing sorties have been flown for weeks now, all missions are secret to some extent otherwise they would be futile.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: California]
    #14379699 - 04/30/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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not just us though, and not a soul was assasinated.  you're spin on this subject is on par with, but the polar opposite of that of FOX news some might say.



Saif his son was indeed assassinated.




N.A.T.O. does not assasinate, and Saif was not a dictator.



I didn't say Saif was a dictator. I said Saif was assassinated by NATO.
Lets look at the definition
Assassinate-to kill suddenly or secretively, especially a politically prominent person.

Hmmmmm did NATO suddenly kill a politically prominent person:strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard::strokebeard:



you said that Dictators were assasinated, he was not a dictator.
you should look at the definition of Dictator.

it's hardly sudden bombing sorties have been flown for weeks now, all missions are secret to some extent otherwise they would be futile.



I never said Dictators were assassinated. I said NATO was carrying out Dictator Assassination Missions.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379750 - 04/30/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

but why do you care?

its not like he was your best buddy or anything. you didnt know him personally. assuming you had never heard about his death on the news you wouldnt even know it had happened.

so why act like its a big deal now that you saw it on tv?


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14379761 - 04/30/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

some people are interested in what's going on in this world we inhabit. sucks you can't relate :shrug:


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    #14379766 - 04/30/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It doesn't matter if I know about it not. Its the principle. America doesn't have the right to go around bombing innocent people thousands of miles away. Saif was a good man who never harmed anyone. If he deserved to die then he deserved a trial. This country has no principles anymore.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379777 - 04/30/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Coaster said: How will this affect us at home, do you think Gaddaffi is going to enact revenge on our homeland?




He might do that, I hear he does like theatre. After his Thespian antics are over I reckon he may try and exact revenge though, which is a bit more of a worry.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: owls]
    #14379782 - 04/30/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

im not saying im not interested. im saying it isnt as big of a deal as he is making it out to be.

if he is so upset by this guys death, i demand he start making a thread for every person who dies every day and complains about the circumstances of their death to make it seem like it was some horrible tragedy.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379783 - 04/30/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

America: We Fuck Shit Up!


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14379785 - 04/30/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it appears to me you're the one making a big deal out of it. he's simply discussing..


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14379787 - 04/30/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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im not saying im not interested. im saying it isnt as big of a deal as he is making it out to be.

if he is so upset by this guys death, i demand he start making a thread for every person who dies every day and complains about the circumstances of their death to make it seem like it was some horrible tragedy.



assassinating is a very big deal. How can you be okay with what we are doing.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379788 - 04/30/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It doesn't matter if I know about it not. Its the principle. America doesn't have the right to go around bombing innocent people thousands of miles away. Saif was a good man who never harmed anyone. If he deserved to die then he deserved a trial. This country has no principles anymore.




that post makes it look like hes making a big deal out of it.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379798 - 04/30/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What has our country become?




The US has always had a hand in many many countries....maybe not directly assassinating, but helping things go the way they wanted it to for the US's benefit. This is nothing new. Things will continue the way they have forever, at least until WWIII hits. Then God help us all  :runaway:

Also, saying "we" about people discussing it....I have no control over what the US does, even though I'm a citizen. It's not like this is a real democracy. We can only elect people that have enough money to run, and they make the decisions. Not us. "We" aren't doing anything, our leaders are, and there's nothing the real "we" can do about it.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379803 - 04/30/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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im not saying im not interested. im saying it isnt as big of a deal as he is making it out to be.

if he is so upset by this guys death, i demand he start making a thread for every person who dies every day and complains about the circumstances of their death to make it seem like it was some horrible tragedy.



assassinating is a very big deal. How can you be okay with what we are doing.





because i didnt kill him. how can you say we killed him when i did nothing of the sort. if you want to pretend like its your fault, have at it.

and its not a big deal to me because nothing this guy has ever done affects me. i didnt even know he existed until i read the first post in this thread. why would anything that happens to him be a big deal to me when it doesnt effect me in any way shape or form.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379804 - 04/30/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

in the thread title you did say that.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14379806 - 04/30/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if you think a planet exploding full of a trillion aliens in a distant galaxy isn't a big deal than no this wouldn't be either


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: California]
    #14379808 - 04/30/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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in the thread title you did say that.



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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: sandi]
    #14379810 - 04/30/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Also, saying "we" about people discussing it....I have no control over what the US does, even though I'm a citizen. It's not like this is a real democracy. We can only elect people that have enough money to run, and they make the decisions. Not us. "We" aren't doing anything, our leaders are, and there's nothing the real "we" can do about it.




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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379813 - 04/30/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

until the trillions of aliens do something that alters some aspect of my life, they arent a big deal.

hypothetically, yes. realistically, no.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379842 - 04/30/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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in the thread title you did say that.



said what



Assassinating Dictators.

Saif wasn't one, nor was he assassinated.

I don't believe the thread title could be less accurate.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: California]
    #14379848 - 04/30/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That is our new mission don't you get it.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14379873 - 04/30/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I get it.  not in the language you spin it with, but I get it.

I am a proponent of it.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14381761 - 05/01/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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NATO is us



The fuck it is.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Silversoul]
    #14381797 - 05/01/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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At the very least, we should make the oil companies pay for the wars we fight on their behalf.





I believe the opposite is occurring, but its much more than the 'oil companies'


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: C20H25N3O]
    #14381808 - 05/01/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Assassination is a political act.
This killing was military in nature, Khaddfi and his bunker were targeted as a military asset.

I'd have thought the lesson was learned during the First Gulf War-
Don't hide in the leader's underground bunker, the Americans just love to bomb those things.

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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Doc_T]
    #14381869 - 05/01/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd feel a lot worse about this if we weren't talking about gaddafi. We gave him a lot of chances to stop this before it escalated but he refused until he started to lose.  Before this plea for a cease fire he was hiring thugs to club demonstrators in the streets, hiring snipers to kill any civilians that were gathered over a certain number, etc.  We warned him, the UN warned him, and he laughed while murdering and torturing his own people.

I also think you could call it an assassination, but you could also call the way Saddam Hussein died an assassination by your definition.  He died suddenly, also a bit secretly, and he was a prominent political figure.  So where does that line of thinking end and a military KIA or judicial execution begin?


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    #14381873 - 05/01/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Saddam Hussein? Dude was captured and tried, then executed. Yes? Am I mis-remembering?


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    #14381883 - 05/01/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Saddam Hussein? Dude was captured and tried, then executed. Yes? Am I mis-remembering?




Read Ops definition of assassination.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Halsfield]
    #14381889 - 05/01/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

OP is Coaster, I can't be bothered with his definition.
I took Poli Sci back in the day, and I also was in the military.
I'm well aware of the difference between assassination and destruction of a military asset.

...but if this thread is about Coaster making up words, then have fun. I'm out. :peace:


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Coaster]
    #14381978 - 05/01/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

1) Saif al-Arab wasn't assassinated. And even if he was targetted intentionally, we can't prove it.

2) America has been assassinating foreign political and military leaders since before any of us were born. This shouldn't be a surprise to any thinking person.

3) As for your horror at assassination, wouldn't you rather than we killed our enemies' leaders quickly and easily without the use of huge military force, expendature and the lives of our citizens? I can't imagine how many £ have been wasted by Britain and France's bombing in Libya so far. One 500lb bomb dropped on Gadaffi's head would have sorted this shit out a lot cheaper.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Doc_T]
    #14386439 - 05/02/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Doc_T said:
OP is Coaster, I can't be bothered with his definition.

...but if this thread is about Coaster making up words, then have fun. I'm out. :peace:




When my comment is directed at him and you're replying to it you should probably know what the reference was. It was talked about more than once in this thread so I didn't feel I needed to quote a major part of the thread. It was on page 1 about 15 posts in.  :shrug:

He's also not making up words but he's using a dictionary definition that is open to a lot of interpretation.  By his definition almost any political figure that is killed is an assassination which I don't personally agree with. That is why I brought up the example of saddam hussein and how his death could fit into his stated definition.


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Re: America Is Assassinating Dictators [Re: Halsfield]
    #14386737 - 05/02/11 02:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i think the way to handle this is to come up with another dozen threads about the subject, and also include in the topic "osama is dead? anyone heard? we assassinate this dictator plus gadaffis children"


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