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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
    #14373548 - 04/29/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh stop bitching, what are crimes against humanity when you've got such fabulous living standards? :rolleyes:




Have fun subverting yourself to the weakness of others throughout your life. :thumbup:




Please elaborate on what you mean by this.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14373575 - 04/29/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh stop bitching, what are crimes against humanity when you've got such fabulous living standards? :rolleyes:




Have fun subverting yourself to the weakness of others throughout your life. :thumbup:




Please elaborate on what you mean by this.




Instead of focusing on your own situation, you try to find excuses to feel bad for other people. Even when your own position is advanced through a cause, if you can find a way to empathize with a party experiencing perceived negative consequences due to the cause, you will.

This means that you are blinded by some idea of objective morality, when in reality your willingness to accept this false notion of some objective reality just makes you weak.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
    #14373592 - 04/29/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The outrage I experience by considering such inequities in our world does far more than weaken me; in fact, it is my pilot light. It fires the furnace of my passion, and the energy I take from it gives me the willpower to accomplish great things, and to work toward greater justice and equality in the world.

It gives me strength, not weakness.

If I was totally fixated on my own comfort, I would probably be addicted to heroin. But rather, my sense of justice gives context and purpose to my quest for self-improvement.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14373669 - 04/29/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The outrage I experience by considering such inequities in our world does far more than weaken me; in fact, it is my pilot light. It fires the furnace of my passion, and the energy I take from it gives me the willpower to accomplish great things, and to work toward greater justice and equality in the world.

It gives me strength, not weakness.

If I was totally fixated on my own comfort, I would probably be addicted to heroin. But rather, my sense of justice gives context and purpose to my quest for self-improvement.




So what are the great leaps and strides you have accomplished in your quest for global equality?


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
    #14373676 - 04/29/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Getting my shit together, taking better care of myself, educating myself?

I'm not superman and I'm only 24. :shrug:


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
    #14374075 - 04/29/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh stop bitching, what are crimes against humanity when you've got such fabulous living standards? :rolleyes:




Have fun subverting yourself to the weakness of others throughout your life. :thumbup:

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Hardly.  They try to chop your head off for burning a flag?




It really annoys me how bitchy so many Americans are. They act as if our government is some inherently "evil" entity when in reality, they have provided us with some of the highest possible living standards of any country ever.




Actually, America has a pretty low living standard compared to most of the western world.... also a piss poor currency.




Bullshit, what countries do you consider to have high living standards?




In the west? Well, after living in Europe for all of last year and visiting about 13 different countries, just about every country in west/central Europe, as well as scandenavia had a much higher living standard. Much cleaner places, MUCH better public transportation then americas piss poor excuse of one, much smarter people i.e. multi-lingual, much lower poverty rates, MUCH stronger currency. After visiting Japan last year they also have a much higher living standard then we do... except for that disaster zone now.

We fucking suck compared to most of the rest of the first world. Poor education, more poor people, shitty currency, half baked idiots everywhere, fat obese consumer whores as far as the eye can see... you get the point :glittershitz:


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: foliocb]
    #14374183 - 04/29/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, most parts of the developed world are more pleasant to be in than the US, and the gap is growing.

I could go on a big rant about why that is, but unfortunately this really would be more appropriate in the political forum.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14376562 - 04/30/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Getting my shit together, taking better care of myself, educating myself?

I'm not superman and I'm only 24. :shrug:




I wonder why this is the response I always get.

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In the west? Well, after living in Europe for all of last year and visiting about 13 different countries, just about every country in west/central Europe, as well as scandenavia had a much higher living standard. Much cleaner places, MUCH better public transportation then americas piss poor excuse of one, much smarter people i.e. multi-lingual, much lower poverty rates, MUCH stronger currency. After visiting Japan last year they also have a much higher living standard then we do... except for that disaster zone now.

We fucking suck compared to most of the rest of the first world. Poor education, more poor people, shitty currency, half baked idiots everywhere, fat obese consumer whores as far as the eye can see... you get the point




I have also been in Europe extensively, and I think that you are full of shit. The size of everything in Europe is so small, from living space to appliance size. In America the average house is much nicer in my opinion.

Also, if America is so shitty, why are we ranked as having the 4th highest living standard in the world? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

You mention Scandinavian countries, and yes they have basically zero poverty, but everyone there doesn't live luxuriously compared to Americans. In America you have so much more access to all sorts of goods and services than anywhere else in the world.

Lastly, you mention public services. The difference with America here is that you are able to do everything privately. As a country we made the decision to use cars as our primary source of transportation, so the government invests lots of money into roads. We also go for private healthcare instead of public healthcare. This allows us to have the most advanced healthcare options in the world. Why do you think whenever someone with money gets sick they come to America for treatment?


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
    #14377184 - 04/30/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think it's the poor people that bother me.

Even if you really do buy into the whole bullshit line that it's their own fault they're poor (which in most cases is untrue IMO), you can't tell me it's pleasant to have cities littered with junkies, crippled, and the mentally ill.

And what are you doing with your life, superman?


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14377538 - 04/30/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

First of all, destitute people don't bother me at the levels i experience.

Also, i dont believe that it's a person's fault that they are poor, but this doesn't mean i need to subvert myself to their will.

Lastly, as to what i have done myself, i have ensured my position in the top 1 % of income earners.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
    #14377548 - 04/30/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good for you. :shrug:


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14377755 - 04/30/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In the United States most people living in poverty do so due to their own failures.  In most cases that failure is a failure to use birth control properly.  In the majority of other cases that do not relate to babies the cause is substance abuse.  Relatively little poverty is caused by factors that do not include one or both of the aforementioned.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14378164 - 04/30/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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In the United States most people living in poverty do so due to their own failures.



Or the failures of their parents. Or their parents' parents.

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In most cases that failure is a failure to use birth control properly.  In the majority of other cases that do not relate to babies the cause is substance abuse.  Relatively little poverty is caused by factors that do not include one or both of the aforementioned.



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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14378223 - 04/30/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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In the United States most people living in poverty do so due to their own failures.



Or the failures of their parents. Or their parents' parents.




Only the very young ones.
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In most cases that failure is a failure to use birth control properly.  In the majority of other cases that do not relate to babies the cause is substance abuse.  Relatively little poverty is caused by factors that do not include one or both of the aforementioned.



Source?




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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
    #14378495 - 04/30/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The size of everything in Europe is so small, from living space to appliance size. In America the average house is much nicer in my opinion.




Humm I wonder where did you get the idea that in Europe everything is so small but probably we don't have the same obesity levels you have in America, so that does save a lot of space. Also this means you've visited the average house of every European country? Well if you did, you would be aware that they aren't in fact small at all.

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As a country we made the decision to use cars as our primary source of transportation, so the government invests lots of money into roads.




Sure, so every single country in the world has to sign the kyoto protocol, while you can ride your hummers and fuck up the environment a little more.


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We also go for private healthcare instead of public healthcare. This allows us to have the most advanced healthcare options in the world. Why do you think whenever someone with money gets sick they come to America for treatment?




WOW this couldn't be more wrong... if you're lucky your insurance company allows to have access to healthcare, this of course if you didn't have dandruff in your childhood and forgot to mention.
No one in their right state of mind goes to the states for healthcare, they would much quickly go to Cuba, that yes, may be a country with many flaws in some senses but believe me they have one of the best healthcare services in the world.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: pouihi]
    #14378530 - 04/30/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The size of everything in Europe is so small, from living space to appliance size. In America the average house is much nicer in my opinion.




Humm I wonder where did you get the idea that in Europe everything is so small but probably we don't have the same obesity levels you have in America, so that does save a lot of space. Also this means you've visited the average house of every European country? Well if you did, you would be aware that they aren't in fact small at all.

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As a country we made the decision to use cars as our primary source of transportation, so the government invests lots of money into roads.




Sure, so every single country in the world has to sign the kyoto protocol, while you can ride your hummers and fuck up the environment a little more.


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We also go for private healthcare instead of public healthcare. This allows us to have the most advanced healthcare options in the world. Why do you think whenever someone with money gets sick they come to America for treatment?




WOW this couldn't be more wrong... if you're lucky your insurance company allows to have access to healthcare, this of course if you didn't have dandruff in your childhood and forgot to mention.
No one in their right state of mind goes to the states for healthcare, they would much quickly go to Cuba, that yes, may be a country with many flaws in some senses but believe me they have one of the best healthcare services in the world.




Are Michael Moore movies your primary source for information on healthcare? It is a fact that America is the leader in healthcare technological innovations.

It also seems that you buy into other bullshit like anthropogenic global warming.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14378559 - 04/30/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Are you shitting me?



No. If you're going to make claims, you have to back them up. Crazy, huh?


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14378582 - 04/30/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

We could start here:
http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/

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Children represent a disproportionate share of the poor in the United States; they are 25 percent of the total population, but 35 percent of the poor population. In 2008, 15.45 million children, or 20.7 percent, were poor. The poverty rate for children also varies substantially by race and Hispanic origin, as shown in the table below[4].




I gotta go but if you can't figure out that that means children cause poverty you aren't paying attention.


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    #14378594 - 04/30/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In 2009 the poverty threshold for a single individual no children was $11,161.  That's $6 an hour full employment, less than mimimum wage.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14378608 - 04/30/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I actually don't need Michael Moore to know how good the Cuban healthcare system is, that they in fact have agreements with many countries providing with specific health services they wouldn't be able to get in many other places (Ex.: Chernobyl victims).

"anthropogenic global warming bullshit"? Well I don't buy bullshit from hypocrites as Al Gore for example who goes on bragging about pollution and then pollutes a shitload. But if the whole world has to make efforts, you're not more than others not to.

Also, I guess being the country that elected twice George Bush just says a lot by itself.


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