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bad.seed
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Lagochilus identification
#14376241 - 04/30/11 06:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey
I bought Lagochilus inebrians seeds from (MOD EDIT: No Source discussion) and out of 20 or so seeds got one to germinate. About a year later I realized I was mismanaging the plant and gave it nutes, rockdust, CO2 and blazing lights. It's now growing extremely well, but after seeing pictures of other peoples' plants I am starting to wonder why mine looks so different. Could it just be the phenotype? I have my doubts... Now I'm not at all sure that this actually is L. inebrians. Please help by looking at the enclosed pics. The leaves are huge compared to other plants I've seen at 8,5 x 5cm (3,3 x 2 inches). Unfortunately it hasn't flowered yet so I realize a positive ID is hard.
If this turns out not to be L. inebrians I will be rather displeased with this vendor...


Edited by karode13 (10/18/11 04:25 AM)
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: bad.seed]
#14376242 - 04/30/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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By the way the seeds look the same as the real L. inebrians. The growth habit too. The first leaves were the size I see with other peoples' plants, but now all of a sudden they are ginormous.
Edited by bad.seed (04/30/11 06:52 AM)
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: bad.seed]
#14376262 - 04/30/11 06:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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it's certainly lagochilus cabulicus but it's not inebrians...
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: sidvivius]
#14376434 - 04/30/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wikipedia says there are 34 species in the genera, but I can hardly find any documentation on how to identify these. What makes you say it's L. cabulicus, specifically?
Here is an arcetype of L. cabulicus. I find the leaf structure to be very different from the one I have, even though this is a dried specimen.
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: bad.seed]
#14376717 - 04/30/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Leaf looks like mine does and the small hairs covering the surface are the same. I had to wait until it flowered to check for sure. Tried growing mine and natural sun and hps didnt like either only like my cfl. Has any one taken any usccessful cuttings??
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: SMUCKA]
#14376864 - 04/30/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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How large and old are yours now, SMUCKA? Do you have any pics? It'd be very valuable to me to compare.
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: bad.seed]
#14377075 - 04/30/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dthe same trouble as u did getting them to germinate, i was unlucky had to get three shipments of seeds from some ex-russain state country.

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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: SMUCKA]
#14377388 - 04/30/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, well yours look like the real deal. Do you remember where exactly you ordered these from? I am considering getting in touch with the botanical gardens in Tashkent, Uzbekistan as it seems one cannot trust the western vendors. I also contacted shamanic garden about the erroneous ID and they will verify the species and send me new seeds.
Shaman australis has some good but old info on this species and it seems there were as much doubts about the species ID back in 04 and 05 as there is today.
I'm still curious to know which species it is I have though.
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: bad.seed]
#14381029 - 05/01/11 02:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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vendor talk is abot allowed. but all i can say that the leading auction web site, would be a good place to start looking. and buy a couple of bags cos as we know germ rates aint great.
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: bad.seed]
#15241739 - 10/18/11 03:31 AM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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I also ordered this so called Lagochilus inebrians seeds from (MOD EDIT: No source discussion. Read the forum rules please). I tested different compositions of soil and placed some plants indoor and some outdoor to get an idea of the phenotyp under different conditions. And, as suggested, they look quite different. The indoor plant looks like exactly the one you posted some month ago. And i also wondered if this is the correct species. I doubt it is.. So, have you succeed to get more information? And whats about the supplier - did they confirm that it was the wrong species or not? If yes - what the hell i�m growing here for one year? If it is an other Lagochilus subspecies - i just have to know which one. I did great research on medical use of Lagochilus and several groups in usbekistan/russia confirm that diterpenes of the labdane type like Lagochiline could also be found in some other Lagochilus species. So if you have any new information about "our" plants - pls let me know!
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I had the best results germing the seeds by putting them in damp sand or soil in the fridge. Yes, it's hard to believe but unless i'm thinking of a different species that's how i did it. I just happen to have some seeds myself. I grew it a few years ago but they all died on me. I'm not sure if it was because i didn't water them enough but i think that may have been it. They don't like a lot of water but have to have some.
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: Stonehenge]
#15373419 - 11/15/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have done my customers complaint regarding the "wrong" Lagochilus inebrians seeds. The shopkeeper told me that he also got the wrong batch, that he dont know what seeds/plants species the seeds are and offered me refunding.
@bad seed: there are more than 34 species: http://www.theplantlist.org/browse/A/Lamiaceae/Lagochilus/
At last 2 Questions to all of you: 1. Does anyone know the name of this plant: 
2. Does any of you know a trusted source of Lagochilus inebrians bunge seeds. If possible direktly form Usbekistan (Samarkand/Bukhara).
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I think we need to keep in mind that many of the reports on l inebriens were probably talking about one or another of the lagochillus family or perhaps a variant of l.i. itself. Lets not assume only 1 species is used. I have some seeds and a little bit of herb. Like i say, i grew it years ago. Its interesting but no substitute for mj.
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: Stonehenge]
#15382258 - 11/17/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe lagochilus cabulicus...
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Re: Lagochilus identification [Re: sidvivius]
#15384093 - 11/17/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are probably all good just like indica is as good as sativa. I have some lagochillus seeds. I may grow it again, i haven't decided yet.
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Finally i was able to get hands on real seeds of Lagochilus inebrians. Given the fact that the germination rate was very poor - i managed to grow a single plant. I tried many things but an bit uncommon strategy worked out: the seed was placed on an glass-slide for microscopy and covered with 2 drops of rainwater. The slide was then transfered into a petri dish (also glass). After Germination the seedling was transfered into moisted soil with low nurients (used for germination and and propagation by cuttings) mixed with some sand.
In general the plant developed healty and without pests. Unfortunately i found out that the tips of the below leaves became gray and dry out. In time the plant looses this leaves. Notice that germination takes place in december 2016 - so, although it is a bright place, it is winter and most days are cloudy here. So i am aware that this is not the best time to grow plants from seeds without artificial light.
Any suggestions what the problem is? May still to much nutritients in the soil (kind of burning)?
   
Edited by Pandaemonium (02/11/17 05:22 AM)
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