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Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO
#14375523 - 04/30/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Spirituality is about elimination of the mind not elimination of the EGO. It is about elimination of the false ego through deliverance to the true ego, the real self, the real "I AM" state.
Saint's dont have small egos they have powerful Egos, expanding egos that go beyond the petty finite form of that which is the body which is merely a shadow of the real infinite "I AM".
Thoughts?
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Edited by soldatheero (04/30/11 01:10 AM)
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: soldatheero]
#14375593 - 04/30/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So you are saying that the 'mind' is what is to be transcended? and not the EGO or sense of self?
What is the 'mind' in your words? thoughts, imagination, form?
I like your idea, im just trying to understand it more.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: soldatheero] 1
#14375623 - 04/30/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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To me, it seems pretty egocentric to try and tell anyone what their spirituality should be about.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: Greenvalley]
#14375668 - 04/30/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What is the 'mind' in your words? thoughts, imagination, form?
The mind is the creator of consciousness, the mind is how we experience ourselves, the mind causes self awareness to occur.
The mind is the machine but not in the physical sense, it is not a physical machine. It is perception occurring automatically, cold and dead it is driven by laws.
Perception perceives itself and it reaches a point in which it can be considered conscious of itself, this is us in the Human form. However perception (the mind) now has an incredible moment which in turn, makes the conscious soul it's slave.
Annihilation of the self is impossible as the self can never extinguish perception (which is itself), being that perception is existence and existence can never become nonexistence.
Self consciousness is a direct and real implication of the existence of evolved perception.
This is why Meher Baba's book God Speaks is dedicated:
"To the Universe- the Illusion that sustains Reality."
The self is reality but as long we the soul identify ourselves with our desires, desires which belong to our minds and not us, we will always be bound to the law of the mind and all of its variety of states.. until one day when we become shed of our desires and freed from the mind. This state will be eternal and timeless and is the state of reality - known as fana-fillah.
In this state the experience of perception is not limited by the tunnel vision of the mind. The soul gains the consciousness of the oversoul which is perception of ALL perception.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: blewmeanie]
#14375670 - 04/30/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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For me it's about the quality & exploration of life.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: soldatheero]
#14375678 - 04/30/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Truth is of God, Law is of Illusion
There are two things: Truth and Law. Truth belongs to God, Law belongs to Illusion.
Illusion is infinitely vast yet it is governed by Law. The 'law of cause and effect', which none can escape, belongs to this Law.
Law is bondage. Truth is Freedom. Law upholds Ignorance. Truth upholds Reality. Law governs imagination which binds you to Illusion. Truth sets you free from Illusion.
Although it is the nature of imagination to run riot, it is restricted to the definite and minutely precise pattern of bindings created and upheld by the law of bondage.
The moment imagining ceases, the shackles of the Law are broken and Freedom is experienced in the realization of the Truth. It is impossible for one of oneself to overcome the operation of the Law and merge in the Truth. Only those who are one with God can take you beyond the bounds of the Law and give you the experience of the Freedom—which is the Truth.
- Meher
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: blewmeanie]
#14375703 - 04/30/11 01:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ego is you, it's what it stands for. So without it, there is no you - it's 'to not exist'. The real goal on one's path, i agree, is not the elimination of one's ego, but finding one's true ego, unaffected by what's around, but by what comes from within.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: soldatheero]
#14376050 - 04/30/11 03:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's about elimanating your attachments which breaks the continuity of thought.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: soldatheero]
#14376271 - 04/30/11 06:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think most people would be happy with simply eliminating the negative aspects of their ego.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: soldatheero]
#14377979 - 04/30/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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In sense, the problem is that our ego is too small. It's small enough that we only identify with our own finite body. If on the other hand we expand our ego to encompass all things, that is what enlightenment is about.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: Silversoul]
#14378515 - 04/30/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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For me its about taking the middle path and finding the balance between ego and soul, between my conditioned self and my inner child. Both want different things, and to feed one and ignore the other creates an imbalance in my life.
I once asked my Indian friend what he thinks about spiritual awakening, and he said "Awaken my spirit? Why the hell would I want to do that man? That's dangerous!" lol. And I agree, in modern day society life can be very crazy (especially in India) and to awaken one's kundalini energy within that atmosphere can cause one to go insane, I have read. I don't think we are quite ready for that to happen.
Its also about getting the soul and ego to work together. The ego isn't the enemy as some "spiritual gurus" like Eckhart Tolle tend to preach, it is a part of ourselves, another beautiful creation, and should be loved. The ego should be looked at like a little child, no matter what age a person is. One that needs the guidance and wisdom of the soul to make it through this life in one piece. The soul is also the source of motivation for the ego, and so long as you stay connected to it, you can train your ego to do almost anything it is physically and mentally capable of. To unify the soul and ego is the goal, I believe.
But that's just my perspective, and I could be wrong. It seems like the truth to me and has applied 100% so far in my life though.
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Edited by Satyapriya (04/30/11 06:31 PM)
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: Satyapriya]
#14380355 - 04/30/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting statement. I think it's not about eliminating anything. The ego is a part of the self and the negative is the opposite of positive. It is all an aspect of oneness and shouldn't be cast away, rather accepted and maintained in a way that serves the higher purpose. The ego you refer to I have not come across. My I am state is not my ego, it is my heart becoming integrated fully with my being and being all that is, thus I AM [all].
The mind is also part of the being. It cannot be cast away either. It is very wise to detach from these things. To learn and practice the detachment from thought-form; to be instead of try. It is very beneficial for one to detach from the ego (not separate, rather learn to act without) and not worry about the external; it is simply a reflection of the internal.
The heart does not follow the ego. If one walks the path of a powerful ego for an extended period of time, they will become more and more disconnected from the heart; whereas one who follows the heart and is of one heart will have their ego following the heart because in a state of equanimity, the ego has no power to manifest. It simply exists as an awareness of the being. Nothing more nothing less.
idk if that made sense i am pretty sleepy but this is a fun subject to sleep on
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: OneU]
#14381865 - 05/01/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Semantics again.. so you guys don't perceive ego and soul/heart to be the same thing. Would it be OK to define ego as 'the jungle instinct' then? A set of commands written in our DNA, that 'drive' us no different than animals. Survival instinct, sex desire, desire for power (alpha male instinct) etc. The very stuff that we strive to let go off in process of enligtenment. In that case the spirituality IS about the removal of ego.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: cbub]
#14381918 - 05/01/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you could say all of that is a part of the ego, but overall I define the ego as the mind which identifies its sense of self as the body.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14383141 - 05/01/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said: I think you could say all of that is a part of the ego, but overall I define the ego as the mind which identifies its sense of self as the body.
This is the more traditional definition, yes.
As much as I dislike Eckhart Tolle's attitude toward the ego, I do like the way he puts it:
"Ego is the unobserved mind that runs your life when you are not present as the witnessing consciousness, the watcher. The ego perceives itself as a separate fragment in a hostile universe, with no real inner connection to any other being, surrounded by other egos which it either sees as a potential threat or which it will attempt to use for its own ends. The basic ego patterns are designed to combat its own deep-seated fear and sense of lack. They are resistance, control, power, greed, defense, attack. Some of the ego's strategies are extremely clever, yet they never truly solve any of its problems, simply because the ego itself is the problem."
"What the ego-controlled people fear and resist most is the end of their drama. As long as they are their mind, what they fear and resist most is their own awakening."
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: Satyapriya]
#14383441 - 05/01/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great quote. A lot of people dislike Tolle simply because he is almost celebrity status... but you can't blame him for that. He says some right on stuff.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: Satyapriya]
#14383525 - 05/01/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I like that a lot, thanks for the share Shroomtastic.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: soldatheero]
#14384440 - 05/01/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think mind and ego are really the same thing..."i am" is the formless being. Any quality you add such as "i am awesome" or "i am sexxay" is ego. Usually I think it takes the form of a self image you hold in your head...that's what I generally think of as a sign i'm in egoic consciousness, if I'm daydreaming images of myself doing something. If I notice it's gotten this far, I'll usually try to snap out of it.
I am not intending to ever transcend the I thought in this lifetime. I want to become more and more in touch with the moment, with cosmic conscious, and in the process refine and improve the ego, and realize my desires while spreading peace and looooove
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: soldatheero]
#14386933 - 05/02/11 05:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd say 'I Am' is really just a pointer to something that is all together beyond it, infinite existence is inseparable so would not say 'I Am' about itself, even saying it's silence is saying too much about it as it's trying to describe something non-dualistic in dualistic terms. The only thing you can know about it is that it's what you are, but you can't say what it is.
The sense 'I Am' is inside all beings but when it's deeply rooted out & searched for, where is it/what is it?
There is no acual 'I Am' just presence that exists pre the idea 'I Am', really the sense 'I' is a creation of the mind & there is no actual thing that can be called 'I', there is just an unspeakable presence beyond all ideas, and although just an idea 'I' or 'I Am' is an almost constant idea so can be used as an object of meditation in order to sense yourself as existent beyond it & it's many attachments.
Its not about you being egoless, it's that the universe (the true you) is egoless as it's nature is completely residual/empty, egolessness is not how you should learn to be, it's what you already are.
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Re: Spirituality is NOT about eliminating the EGO [Re: Chronic7] 1
#14387208 - 05/02/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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the concept of an ego is an outdated theory that was first proposed by a sex crazed coke addict.
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