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26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart
#14374618 - 04/29/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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CanadaA near deadly double stabbing involving booze, drugs and three women after a Christmas bash at an Edmonton strip club has led to a Grande Prairie woman going to prison.
Tamara Lynn O’Neil, 26, was handed an eight-year penitentiary sentence Friday after pleading guilty in Court of Queen’s Bench to two counts of aggravated assault.
Justice Sterling Sanderman called it a “truly inexplicable” event and took O’Neil to task after noting she had “directed violence at two young innocent women who did not deserve what happened and continue to wonder why.”
Sanderman spoke of the “moving” victim impact statements written by the pair – one who is in a wheelchair and remains in rehab 16 months after the attacks – and told O’Neil her prison is better than the one they are in.
“You are whole,” said Sanderman to O’Neil. “You should think about that every night as you go to sleep in your cell and lie on your bunk. You are still whole. Neither of these two women are. And it’s because of what you did.”
The judge told the victims the “terrible violence” that was visited upon them will “haunt” them “for many years” and said he wished he could “wave a magic wand” and make them whole again and able to understand it all.
“No one will ever know why this happened to the two of you,” he said.
Sanderman told O’Neil a 10-year sentence would have been appropriate, but gave her two years credit for pleading guilty. He then knocked off 33 months for the time she spent in pre-trial custody on a two for one basis, leaving her with five years and three months still to serve.
According to an agreed statement of facts, Showgirls hosted a staff
Christmas party at their Edmonton strip club on Dec. 13, 2009, and O’Neil, an employee of the Showgirls in Grande Prairie, attended as did Nadege Gagnon, who worked at the Edmonton location.
O’Neil consumed ketamine, a powerful PCP-like animal tranquilizer popular in clubs and known as “Special K,” before arriving at the party and drank a large amount of alcohol while at the bash, as well as using more ketamine.
During the evening there was some “friendly interaction, including some kissing,” between O’Neil and Gagnon, who was also drinking, and O’Neil recalls getting Gagnon’s phone number and the address of her southside home.
Gagnon left the party about 2:20 a.m. and went home and a short time later O’Neil arrived in a taxi. She was invited in and the pair began drinking with Jessica Durbau-Benfeito, a friend of Gagnon’s who was staying there.
O’Neil was invited to stay the night in Gagnon’s bed and recalls having sexual activity with her. Gagnon does not recall that and says she remembers O’Neil kissing her and biting her on the neck while they were both standing and then rebuffing O’Neil’s sexual advances.
At some point after that, O’Neil grabbed a Kershaw knife she had and began attacking Gagnon, stabbing her multiple times in the neck, back, chest, abdomen and head.
Court heard O’Neil “never said anything” during the “incomprehensible” attack while Gagnon screamed for Durbau-Benfeito to lock herself in her room and call 911.
Gagnon fled the bedroom – still completely naked and seriously wounded and bleeding – and went outside in the frigid cold in a panic trying to get help from neighbours.
Meanwhile, O’Neil went down the hallway towards the bathroom and met Durbau-Benfeito. A confrontation erupted and O’Neil stabbed the woman multiple times in the chest, left armpit, left eyebrow and left shoulder.
Durbau-Benfeito lost consciousness and O’Neil left her lying on the floor, went and grabbed her clothes and fled the home, climbing a fence and leaving a blood trail.
Court heard she flagged down a passing motorist and asked for a drive to a hotel, but the person flagged down an approaching police car and O’Neil was arrested.
Meanwhile, Gagnon tried unsuccessfully to get neighbours to help while naked in the minus 40C cold and suffered severe frost bite to her ears, hands and feet.
She ended up returning home, weak from blood loss and frightened, and calling 911. When police arrived, they found her lying in a semi-unconscious state in her living room.
Durbau-Benfeito was found unresponsive in the hallway and both women were rushed to hospital.
Gagnon, 32, required immediate emergency surgery and ended up with significant scarring. Durbau-Benfeito, 23, was in even worse shape because one of the stab wounds had pierced her heart and she went into cardiac arrest.
She was eventually resuscitated, but suffered significant brain damage which resulted in her being unable to speak or walk. She has been in rehab since and can now speak, but remains in a walker or wheelchair.
In a victim impact statement, she wrote of her energy and breathing problems and the psychological trauma she is experiencing and said she is “afraid for her future.
“I am trapped in a body that doesn’t work anymore. It’s like a jail sentence and I am innocent of any crime.”
Gagnon wrote in her victim impact statement that she has scars all over her body, including the ones in her mind, from the “brutal and horrifying” attack and said they are a “constant reminder of the horror of that night.”
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
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Fuckin crazy bitches man. Need to chill the fuck out. Need to stop eatin drugs is what they need to do if they're crazy.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
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"the drugs made me do it"
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: guest1]
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Disassociative anasthetics....never got 'em.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Javadog] 1
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Honestly, can you guys even walk or see straight on K? I can't even imagine with alcohol. I'd be straight fucked up to even stab someone
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Uzziel]
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ya seriously i don't know how credible this information is
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
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I'm not gonna lie I feel for the victims. I am not following the story perfectly but it sounds like a total disaster. Ketamine can be dangerous w/ alcohol, a lot of dissociation. Sounds more like PCP to me.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: 5-HT2A] 1
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Ketamine doesn't combine with alcohol well at all. If its at all pure that's a good way to get completely incapacitated from violent projectile vomiting. I remember doing a med large dose once and not being able to go to the bathroom for about 45 min because I couldn't remember how my legs worked. I highly doubt the credibility of this. My guess is that it was something else sold as ketamine. I was looking over at Erowid, and PCP seems to show up as powder just as often as the liquid which was sometimes around when I was younger. I have never done it myself, I don't know something about Onley's Lesions and auto-cannibalism... I could see PCP even being sold as ketamine. I mean PCP is pretty heavily stigmatized where as ketamine really isn't. Kind of like some one selling heroin as opium to a couple stoner kids who don't know any better.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: mr_minds_eye]
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ya that sounds far more probable
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
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Reading the story as a trip report reads
"During the evening there was some “friendly interaction, including some kissing,” between O’Neil and Gagnon, who was also drinking, and O’Neil recalls getting Gagnon’s phone number and the address of her southside home.
Gagnon left the party about 2:20 a.m. and went home and a short time later O’Neil arrived in a taxi. She was invited in and the pair began drinking with Jessica Durbau-Benfeito, a friend of Gagnon’s who was staying there.
O’Neil was invited to stay the night in Gagnon’s bed and recalls having sexual activity with her. Gagnon does not recall that and says she remembers O’Neil kissing her and biting her on the neck while they were both standing and then rebuffing O’Neil’s sexual advances.
At some point after that, O’Neil grabbed a Kershaw knife she had and began attacking Gagnon, stabbing her multiple times in the neck, back, chest, abdomen and head."
If u were gonna guess the substance ingested based on this report It would be
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
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I think the alcohol played just as big of a role here than anything. Remember that story of that drunk girl microwaving her baby?
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
#14377083 - 04/30/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, or she could have done this completely sober and we would have heard nothing if this casual assault. Obviously she's crazy. It was however the ketamine that mad her behave this way apparently. lol the "pcp-like tranquilizer".
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
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Sounds like she was a lil mental, And she drank a bunch- They were only one mention of K, not we drank here and here and drank in the car, Damn thats a drunk bitch
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It sickens me to see such a light sentence when so many victims get longer just for possession of a drug. This lady stabs/paralyzes 2 people in the neck, head, chest, practically takes their life and receives what looks to be an average drug case sentence. its sick
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
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not a lot of credible information comes from you are from either.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: AnarchyXx420xX] 1
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
#14378437 - 04/30/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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another "pcp kills" article
7 years? bullshit.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
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sounds like they are punishing the crime not the drug right?
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Raw]
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People get minimum 20 years for producing LSD and she gets what, 7 years for stabbing 2 people? fucking ridiculous
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: PMATL]
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Thank you. On another board some months ago, I watched a couple of users argued with another about pcp and ketamine being exactly the same and having the exact same effect. Look how similar the ring structures of the drug are 2 of them insisted. I felt exactly the same way on both said another (I think the morons dealer was like uhh.. yeah man, lemme goto my room where I got MORE white powder that's actually the other stuff.)
It's a science board and I had to be on shroomery to have people with actual experience go uhhhh NO.
Back to the point though. Dissocciatives in an unfamiliar location, with people you don't know that well, mixed with alcohol.... You don't have to tell me the story after that, I can assume there's a coin flip chance at least the user may not have a good time.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Flashmob]
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i used to be a dusthead as a kid and never got it in a white powder form. the smell is distinct and even if youve never been around it youd know you got some other shit when you went to buy whatever the dealer said it was. i dont doubt you can put it on a powder but im sure if you sniffed it youd be dead.
the only other drug i can think of that has simular effects to pcp is meth.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Da_Vine]
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Da_Vine said: i used to be a dusthead as a kid and never got it in a white powder form. the smell is distinct and even if youve never been around it youd know you got some other shit when you went to buy whatever the dealer said it was. i dont doubt you can put it on a powder but im sure if you sniffed it youd be dead.
the only other drug i can think of that has simular effects to pcp is meth.
Snorting pcp does not automatically mean death. Please don't spread lies.
Pcp's effects are not similar to those of methamphetamine. Technically this would be an opinion so I can't tell you to quit lying on that one. I will say that 99% of users of both substances would have a good laugh at that though.
Maybe sleep deprivation is similar to pcp but meths immediate effects are stimulating, not dissociating lol
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
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meth is a background high you may be on it and not even notice pcp is the exact opposite it changes your entire perception of reality and is in your face
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
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Da_Vine said: i used to be a dusthead as a kid and never got it in a white powder form. the smell is distinct and even if youve never been around it youd know you got some other shit when you went to buy whatever the dealer said it was. i dont doubt you can put it on a powder but im sure if you sniffed it youd be dead.
the only other drug i can think of that has simular effects to pcp is meth.
Snorting pcp does not automatically mean death. Please don't spread lies.
Pcp's effects are not similar to those of methamphetamine. Technically this would be an opinion so I can't tell you to quit lying on that one. I will say that 99% of users of both substances would have a good laugh at that though.
Maybe sleep deprivation is similar to pcp but meths immediate effects are stimulating, not dissociating lol
never done meth but ive seen how it can turn you into the hulk just like pcp and hallucinations just like pcp. i guessed that you would die from sniffing pcp only cause i overdosed on it and i dont mean oh i think i had too much let me go to the hospital i mean foaming out the mouth half dead. and pcp can have multiple effects being functional and non fucntional.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
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Background high lol u been watching Dave chapelle pre-Muslim stand-up?
I just saw that shroom joke earlier today.
"I looked at the clock and it was only 2:43!"
If u didn't get "background high" from that skit than I'm sure i look like a jackass.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
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ive done ketamine before. first of all its not like PCP and second of all i can barely move. much less attack somebody. it was probably a RC sold as ketamine
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
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Coaster said: meth is a background high you may be on it and not even notice pcp is the exact opposite it changes your entire perception of reality and is in your face
Background high lol u been watching Dave chapelle pre-Muslim stand-up?
I just saw that shroom joke earlier today.
"I looked at the clock and it was only 2:43!"
If u didn't get "background high" from that skit than I'm sure i look like a jackass.
lol background high is a common descriptor bra never seen that skit
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
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Never really heard it before. Dave chapelle introduced me to it.
Goddamn Allah ruining the funniest negro in existence!
I'll probably be on an Islamic hit-list after that one.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
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I don't understand why anyone says you can't move snorting K.
You can DEFINITELY move snorting k, just don't do a dose to dissociate you. Less then 100 mg snorted you can still function, just not perfectly. I highly doubt this was pcp, I assume that she got CAUGHT WITH THE SUBSTANCE AND THEY FIELD TESTED IT. There would also be blood work done. Hell they typically don't even check for K, they check for PCP. I know the article says the stripper said it was K and nothing but a field test, but this seems very probable for a psychotic person doing small amounts of a dissociative with a TON of alcohol.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago]
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lol if you snort 100mg of k and aren't anesthetized than ur k is IMPURE. 100mg is an anesthetic dose.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
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I injected 100mg into my gracilis on Monday and was in a khole flying through space for a solid 3 hours
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
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100 mg is an anesthetic dose Iv'ed.
Snorted anesthetic is more like 150-200.
I said less then 100mg anyways.
Very certain I've done more then my share of K, from sealed vials, to know the dose.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago]
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lol sealed vials. I trust ya man. Erowid says anesthetic is 100-125mg insufflated.
"very certain" erowid knows better than your anecdotal experience with shitty street K.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago]
#14380592 - 05/01/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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vandago said: 100 mg is an anesthetic dose Iv'ed.
Snorted anesthetic is more like 150-200.
I said less then 100mg anyways.
Very certain I've done more then my share of K, from sealed vials, to know the dose.
isn't ketamine the dankest drug there is puts you into the most surreal lucid dream imaginable
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago]
#14380603 - 05/01/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just find the irony of this thread irritating at best. A Khead started this thread, people are complaing about them passing the blame of an idiot on to ketamine....then start passing the blame of the ketamine to pcp? Whys it always pcp? What the fuck has pcp done to any of you to make it that molecular innocent bystander. I bet he's a real fuckin nice compound if you get to know him, but nahhhhh youd rather just use him as your scape goat if one of your other buddies gets pointed at.
Yes sealed vials. And gram upon gram of preset, from different sources.....bla bla bla. I've definitely done k that was damn near 100% pure, and k that was probably closer to 20%. I've been doing it for 10 years, and have had good sources to get it.
Again....I said.....less then 100 mg......
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago]
#14380623 - 05/01/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did 100mg IM twice this week on two consecutive days and was astral projecting for over an hour each time, the first time for three it was insane and then i had to drive to class afterwards and I was late and had to talk to my professor but I was wearing my suit and I looked spiffy so it was all okay
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
#14380659 - 05/01/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ya but you are booting it, it's obviously going to produce stronger a better effects. And you DEFINITELY did not get "shitty street k " and are using it correctly.
However we are discussing a stripper ( I'm assuming she DID get "shitty street K" ) that was probably doing keybumps while drinking. And since you mention driving while AFTER your k hole, the article points out she stabbed the girl AFTER the K. After she'd already been at her apartment yadda yadda yadda.
Pcp is a stronger dissociative anyways. Why would anyone say......DUDE BRAH YOU CANT EVEN MOVE ON K, THATS GOTTA BE DUST MAN!!!!
I think some of the most intense times of my life were coming out of k holes or dxm holes, and there would be a lot of comotion some of those times....same with nitrous....I've seen people hit some nitrous...hit the floor.....the bolt up screaming insanity.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago]
#14380673 - 05/01/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ya makes sense right after she came out of the hole she musta been totally disoriented
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: Coaster]
#14380684 - 05/01/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hell ya, add that with violent drunk stripper and a sharp object at a strangers house.....
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago]
#14380766 - 05/01/11 01:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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For the record, ive never tried k. From what I've researched though, this doesn't sound like someone who is on ketamine.
I should probably stfu though considering I have no experience to relate it to.
It's definitely possible she was snorting small lines of k gradually throughout the night. Possibly even impure k.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
#14380874 - 05/01/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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this is why I stick to hallucinogens
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
#14381195 - 05/01/11 03:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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LightShedder said: For the record, ive never tried k. From what I've researched though, this doesn't sound like someone who is on ketamine.
I should probably stfu though considering I have no experience to relate it to.
It's definitely possible she was snorting small lines of k gradually throughout the night. Possibly even impure k.
Damn newb quoting erowid shit and saying you can determine what a drug feels like by that?
K is unexplainable. No literature is ever going to prepare you for the granduer that any dissociative is going to bring, and K's is more euphoric then any I've tried. It can literally have me wandering around like a crab babbling incoherently at nothing. I've been doing it for almost a decade now, I haven't bought " street k" in years, I assume you mean k thats cut and sold by a dealer?
LMAO!!!!! STREET K BRO!!!!!!!
And again. I said less the 100mg for your literature.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago]
#14381223 - 05/01/11 03:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not exactly a "newb", just someone who has no interest in dissociatives. Thanks for the judgement though.
And no, I don't just go by erowid, although I would absolutely take their information as credible before I would you anecdotal experience on, yes "street k". Meanin k I'm assuming you didn't either purify yourself or test the purity yourself after you bought it. I go by gobs and gobs of research I've done on many drugs, particularly ketamine. I've read numerous articles describing the pharmacology/chemistry of ketamine. Ld50, psychoactive dose compared to anesthetic dose compared to lethal dose etc.
And your confused, I don't claim to personally know what ketamine feels like, rather just the dose of pure ketamine needed to be insufflated in order to render one incapable of staying conscious. Someone doesn't have to experience death in order to know if someone else is dead or not. I'm really not even sure how you could think someone experiencing the effects of ketamine would lead to a better understanding of it's pharmacology. Can't say I'm surprised at your level of intellect there however.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
#14381228 - 05/01/11 03:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes you are a newb. If you were experienced in using ketamine I wouldn't say it, rook. Yes I have actually cleaned several batches of ketamine up, one source we cleaned 3 times and it always came out close to the same everytime weight wise so we didn't even bother to clean it anymore. Erowid is so full of misinformation, and boring over dramatized " trip reports " that seem to be over half minors that wrote them.
I don't care how many papers you've wrote, or how many trip reports you've read, or how much you've read into the "ketamine facts" but I can assure you....you CAN walk on UNDER 100 mg UP THY NOSE! Why you are arguing a point that you have no arguments on is just annoying.
You even started your post with a poll in it...."when read like a trip report"...then proceed to ask which drug this sounds like to you? Trust me, those people were tested at the hospital right away. If they were on PCP it would've shown up, K would not have unless they were looking for it. I am 99% sure if it was PCP they would have found it in the blood work, and that would juice this story up way more for the reporter.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago]
#14381257 - 05/01/11 04:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol now you say I'm trying to claim I know what substance the people in this story ingested?
You could uphold such an argument with a tennis ball so please stop wasting my time.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
#14381268 - 05/01/11 04:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Care to detail the methods/solvents used to purify your ketamine?
I'm assuming you used a Mel-temp when it was all said and done with, having such confidence in the purity.
Or are you just goin by your experience with other ketamine?
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
#14381311 - 05/01/11 04:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm going by weight of the ketamine before purify vs weight of k after.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
#14381314 - 05/01/11 04:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Yes I have actually cleaned several batches of ketamine up, one source we cleaned 3 times and it always came out close to the same everytime weight wise so we didn't even bother to clean it anymore."
I know what degree of knowledge required to purify/analyze substances to a degree in which you could consider them pure, and I'm reasonably sure you're lacking in it.
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: LightShedder]
#14381319 - 05/01/11 04:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why don't you make a poll to find out?
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago]
#14381348 - 05/01/11 05:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice one!
Care to clarify what exactly I'm gonna find out?
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Re: 26 Year Old Woman Takes A Powerful PCP-Like Animal Tranquilizer & Stabs 2 Girls, One in the Heart [Re: vandago] 1
#14381395 - 05/01/11 06:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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then start passing the blame of the ketamine to pcp? Whys it always pcp? What the fuck has pcp done to any of you to make it that molecular innocent bystander. I bet he's a real fuckin nice compound if you get to know him, but nahhhhh youd rather just use him as your scape goat if one of your other buddies gets pointed at.
Blame it on race = racist Blame it on gender = sexist Blame it on an animal = speciesist Blame it on a drug = druggist ?
PCP most definitely is demonized. And its one of the most beautiful structures of all recreational drugs:
Look at that beauty, doesnt it deserve to be framed and hung in an art gallery?
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