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wisdom187
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contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only)
#14374196 - 04/29/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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so ive been gettin contams and im paranoid about reusing the tubs. ive sprayed them down with a bleach/water/vinegar mix that RR suggested but i dont know if its the tubs or me but ive gotten some repeat contams and some not.
is it worth it to keep the tubs or should i just toss them once theyve been trich'd once?
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: wisdom187]
#14374219 - 04/29/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude!!!
Be careful mixing any acid (vinegar) with bleach. You can easily liberate toxic chlorine gas.
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wisdom187
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: pslyke]
#14374230 - 04/29/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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pslyke said: Dude!!!
Be careful mixing any acid (vinegar) with bleach. You can easily liberate toxic chlorine gas.
i figured its not good to breath in but that doesnt answer my question.
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: wisdom187]
#14374336 - 04/29/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have not had to do this yet, but my plan is to clean best as possible, then set outside for a few days until dry & then scrub down again before use, assuming it is dry & hot outside. Thats just my plan when it happens.
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wisdom187
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: mabachko]
#14374361 - 04/29/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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anyone that has had this problem? do you just chuck it or save it?
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: wisdom187]
#14374442 - 04/29/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You could just wash it with soap and water. Thats all I do, and most others do. Hot soapy water kills most things, and loosens up dirt etc, and should leave you a relatively clean surface if you scrub it a bit. I toss my tubs outside in the rain for a week(its rains a lot here) or so and bring it back in and wash in the tub/shower.
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wisdom187
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: Base Icks]
#14374467 - 04/29/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Base Icks said: You could just wash it with soap and water. Thats all I do, and most others do. Hot soapy water kills most things, and loosens up dirt etc, and should leave you a relatively clean surface if you scrub it a bit. I toss my tubs outside in the rain for a week(its rains a lot here) or so and bring it back in and wash in the tub/shower.
so you're saying a good wash will rid it of the bagillions of trich spores?
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anonjon
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: Base Icks]
#14374468 - 04/29/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DISH SOAP FTW! TRICLOSAN!
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: wisdom187]
#14374479 - 04/29/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wisdom187 said:
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Base Icks said: You could just wash it with soap and water. Thats all I do, and most others do. Hot soapy water kills most things, and loosens up dirt etc, and should leave you a relatively clean surface if you scrub it a bit. I toss my tubs outside in the rain for a week(its rains a lot here) or so and bring it back in and wash in the tub/shower.
so you're saying a good wash will rid it of the bagillions of trich spores?
Yeah pretty much man. Elbow grease and hot soapy water go a long way on their own. Besides dont waste the plastic there is nothing wrong with it.
Unless you can see green there are probably more trich spores in your lungs just from breathing air outside than in your tub.
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: wisdom187]
#14374531 - 04/29/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wisdom187 said:
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pslyke said: Dude!!!
Be careful mixing any acid (vinegar) with bleach. You can easily liberate toxic chlorine gas.
i figured its not good to breath in but that doesnt answer my question.
Regarding a vinegar - bleach combination, it won't release toxic gas, to my knowledge. That's just bleach and ammonia (VERY BAD).
HOWEVER, adding vinegar to bleach will neutralize both, leaving you with a fairly useless salt water solution. Perhaps this is the problem?
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: minnehaha]
#14374695 - 04/29/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I always wiped stuff down with lysol, let it dry and then used bleach. I'm paranoid I think, but I never had problems with continued contams. The tub is fine. Hot soapy water, on it's own won't kill bacteria, though the soap may suffocate mold? I would personally not trust soapy water, but like I said, I'm paranoid.
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: skyjohnny]
#14374758 - 04/29/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you insist on super-sterilizing, then do this.
Stick a spray nozzle onto an h202 bottle. Fill another spray bottle with 50/50 vinegar/water.
Spray surface with vinegar, wipe. Spray surface with h202, wipe.
This is a commonly known way to effectively sterilize things with household stuff.
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: skyjohnny]
#14374763 - 04/29/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Chlorine bleach contains sodium hypochlorite or NaOCl. Because bleach is sodium hypochlorite in water, the sodium hypochlorite in bleach actually exists as hypochlorous acid:
NaOCl + H2O ↔ HOCl + Na+ + OH-
Hypochlorous acid is a strong oxidizer. This is what makes it so good at bleaching and disinfection. If you mix bleach with an acid, chlorine gas will be produced. For example, if you mix bleach with toilet bowl cleaner, which contains hydrochloric acid:
HOCl + HCl ↔ H2O + Cl2
Chlorine gas attacks mucous membranes, such as your eyes, throat, and lungs and can kill you, so causing that reaction isn't in your best interest. If you mix bleach with another acid, such as the acetic acid found in vinegar, you get essentially the same result:
2HOCl + 2HAc ↔ Cl2 + 2H2O + 2Ac- (Ac : CH3COO)
There is an equilibrium between the chlorine species that is influenced by pH. When the pH is lowered, as by adding toilet bowl cleaner or vinegar, the ratio of chlorine gas in increased. When the pH is raised, the ratio of hypochlorite ion is increased. Hypochlorite ion is a less efficient oxidizer than hypochlorous acid, so some people will intentionally lower the pH of bleach to increase the oxidizing power of the chemical, even though chlorine gas is produced as a result.
From Why People Mix Bleach and Vinegar
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: MadamLeMorte]
#14376086 - 04/30/11 04:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: Base Icks]
#14376216 - 04/30/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hydrogen peroxide is not bleach, it's hydrogen peroxide. Use your cleaners, just don't mix them.
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: wisdom187]
#14376235 - 04/30/11 06:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wisdom187 said: so ive been gettin contams and im paranoid about reusing the tubs. ive sprayed them down with a bleach/water/vinegar mix that RR suggested but i dont know if its the tubs or me but ive gotten some repeat contams and some not.
is it worth it to keep the tubs or should i just toss them once theyve been trich'd once?
all my totes have had mass trich at one point or another. I still use them with good results but i usually use a liner like foil or trash bag. I would look somewhere else to why your gettin Mean Green. Spawn or Pasteurization tek.
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: wisdom187]
#14376272 - 04/30/11 06:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wisdom187 said: so ive been gettin contams
Throw out your LC.
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: Doc_T]
#14376414 - 04/30/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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wisdom187 said: so ive been gettin contams
Throw out your LC. 
why in the hell are you assuming everyone and their mother is using lc's seriously its getting old fast
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: punkrocker292004]
#14376419 - 04/30/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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99% of these threads about persistent early contams involve LC.
RP, how are you starting your jars?
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punkrocker292004
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: Doc_T]
#14376427 - 04/30/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: 99% of these threads about persistent early contams involve LC.
RP, how are you starting your jars?
which means what and where are you getting your statistics you seriously are getting on my nerves stop assuming and ask b4 you jump the gun seriously
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: punkrocker292004]
#14376429 - 04/30/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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punkrocker292004 said: you seriously are getting on my nerves
Dood, WTF? Why you pickin' on me? Following me around and busting my chops?
You have a crush on me or something?
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punkrocker292004
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Re: contam tub suggestion keep or toss (plastic only) [Re: Doc_T]
#14376438 - 04/30/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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punkrocker292004 said: you seriously are getting on my nerves
Dood, WTF? Why you pickin' on me? Following me around and busting my chops?
You have a crush on me or something?
no im sick of reading your smug crap and assuming there is only one good way of doing things and acting as if anything that contradicts you is wrong
edit: also quoting only half my shit
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Edited by punkrocker292004 (04/30/11 08:14 AM)
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