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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14384334 - 05/01/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

more of an emotional post than a logical one.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14386182 - 05/01/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bradley said:
hmmm
the overall purpose of the military is to kill people, i don't see how you can skirt around that.
what if instead of providing free military training, we provided free entrepreneurial training to get us more schools, hospitals, jobs, etc.
that isn't up to the soldiers, i realize.




No, the overall purpose of a strong military is to deter assholes from fucking with us.  Because there are a lot of people out there who will drill you right square in the ass for your i-Pod.  Or didn't you know that?

We have too many schools and hospitals and the military IS a fucking job.




The point of a military is to kill other people. In our case, particularly brown people... most of which are innocent :ahahaha:


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: foliocb]
    #14387513 - 05/02/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No, the point of a military is to prevent people from killing us.  If there was no military we would have been invaded a long time ago.  But you keep grabbing your ankles.  Somebody will no doubt take you up on your invitation sooner or later.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14389882 - 05/02/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

complicated subject. on the one hand it is disturbing that young men are being enticed into experimenting with homicide for college money, and it seems to me that since world war II the only interests we are protecting with our military are those of multinational corporations. however, until the geopolitical environment changes and war becomes obsolete, we need people for military service, and the ones who volunteer deserve our respect. i'm not saying that soldiers should be lionized. they're people too; some good, some bad. but i'm glad someone's willing to do that for us. i just wish we had people fighting for more worthwhile reasons.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: millzy]
    #14390062 - 05/02/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A rather small percentage of people who have served in the US military ever end up killing anybody.  Would you train police to respond with teddy bears to criminals?


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14390067 - 05/02/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
A rather small percentage of people who have served in the US military ever end up killing anybody.  Would you train police to respond with teddy bears to criminals?




what exactly is your point?


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: millzy]
    #14390088 - 05/02/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"enticed into experimenting with homicide"?  What the fuck, "experimenting with homicide"?  That's fucking nonsense.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14390154 - 05/02/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

a lot of young men join for the thrill of combat. throw in a big chunk of gi bill money on top of that and it's a pretty sweet deal.

i'm pretty sure i know the answer to this, but did you even bother reading the rest of what i said?


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: millzy]
    #14390178 - 05/02/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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millzy said:
complicated subject. on the one hand it is disturbing that young men are being enticed into experimenting with homicide for college money, and it seems to me that since world war II the only interests we are protecting with our military are those of multinational corporations. however, until the geopolitical environment changes and war becomes obsolete, we need people for military service, and the ones who volunteer deserve our respect. i'm not saying that soldiers should be lionized. they're people too; some good, some bad. but i'm glad someone's willing to do that for us. i just wish we had people fighting for more worthwhile reasons.



I, along with some others in this thread, really have an issue with the notion that we should automatically respect the people who ENABLE the government to continue its neverending war on phantoms and mud people. If these people weren't willing to be tools for people that would gladly murder them for a few cents, the government would be forced to start a draft if they've been THAT desperate for a new war. (I know someone already stated this theory in the thread, but it's very relevant.) I can't believe some people are willing to serve JUST because it's "patriotic" to throw your life away (I guess it's ballsy or brave to be retarded, too) for a cause that is wholeheartedly corrupt. Sorry, but war mongering is absolutely DISGUSTING :puke:...much worse than any shock film you'll find on the internet. Nationalism/patriotism (what a childish fucking attitude) is almost as bad, because it enables war mongering. I agree with some dude before, this is the cancer on humanity.

Here, a related quote from Einstein:

"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilisation should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14390231 - 05/02/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i can separate the politics from the necessity of having armed forces, and as long as that necessity exists, the necessity for the people willing to do the job exists. the military does not play politics, therefore they do not engage in any of the war mongering that you speak of. politicians wage war.

it's funny how i play straight down the middle on this one and get attacked as if i'm anti military and pro war. lol. oh shroomery.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: millzy]
    #14390313 - 05/02/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We don't need a military (hired murdering mindless savages) to protect our borders. This country is certainly soft, the norm is cowardice. Cowards buy 'safety' from vampiric corporations.
Protect your own home, your own community.

If someone tries to burst in my door (and its happened before), they're getting an ass kicking if they're lucky enough to save their skin.

If some roving bandits come into my city and start to off everyone, well guess what? We have guns.




I understand my woman might need protecting, but personally I was born with a penis and at some point hair started sprouting out of my chest.


Real Motives
Vietnam:  golden traingle (heroin trade) - geo political control
Iraq:  oil - geo political control
Afghanistan:  heroin - geo political control


edit: two more points I should cover here to save space.

*there isn't really any way to prove what those wars were really about, no way to prove my points or the point of the politicians. As far as motive.

*there is a common idea that more money was spent by the government than would be profitted from the spoils of war. If this is true (and I await evidence), it is still irrelevant as it is the people in charge who benifit - not the millions of wage slaves.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: KingEmblem]
    #14390591 - 05/02/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilisation should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be part of so base an action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."




fucking awesome.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14390979 - 05/02/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
"enticed into experimenting with homicide"?  What the fuck, "experimenting with homicide"?  That's fucking nonsense.




Anyone dumb enough to join the military is insane at their core. Just because you don't shoot anyone while in the military doesn't mean squat, you endorse everything the military does by joining that institution. Just as bad imo :feelsweirdman:


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: foliocb]
    #14393325 - 05/03/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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foliocb said:
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zappaisgod said:
"enticed into experimenting with homicide"?  What the fuck, "experimenting with homicide"?  That's fucking nonsense.




Anyone dumb enough to join the military is insane at their core. Just because you don't shoot anyone while in the military doesn't mean squat, you endorse everything the military does by joining that institution. Just as bad imo :feelsweirdman:



Well then You must be some kind of super duper tough guy Rambo because without the military you would be a fucking slave.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: TheCreampie]
    #14393696 - 05/03/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Call them brave and courageous but anybody who is willing to sacrifice their life for a country where most citizens don't really care if you die, and only a bit of sympathy is given. It just seems so primordial to go to war. And once you sign that contract your happy ass is property. But still, I thank those somewhat idiotic brave men and women.





For some people its not about being courageous. Its about money, benefits, and education. So what if you think its primordial to go to war. YOU dont have to sign up. There are a million other jobs on this planet that are morally corrupt and so what. We do what we have to do to make money and live. Survival.

That may be my sad outlook but its true. Alot of people sign up to make a living. And that is so necessary. I would risk my life for money, education, food, and shelter so that I could make a life for myself.


And as for your sympathy. Fuck that. Alot of men aren't pussys who sign up and look for sympathy if something goes wrong. They know what they are signing up for and they will take responsibility. I dont concern myself if a soldier dies and I dont think anyone would concern themselves if I died in a car wreck today.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14394298 - 05/03/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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foliocb said:
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zappaisgod said:
"enticed into experimenting with homicide"?  What the fuck, "experimenting with homicide"?  That's fucking nonsense.




Anyone dumb enough to join the military is insane at their core. Just because you don't shoot anyone while in the military doesn't mean squat, you endorse everything the military does by joining that institution. Just as bad imo :feelsweirdman:



Well then You must be some kind of super duper tough guy Rambo because without the military you would be a fucking slave.




I already am a slave. So are you. We are both in shackles in this society and we don't even acknowledge it. But hey don't worry, iPhone gen6 is coming out this summer.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: foliocb]
    #14394538 - 05/03/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl2:  You can always opt out.


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14394644 - 05/03/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

that's what mushrooms are for :wink: :blueorred:


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: XUL]
    #14395062 - 05/03/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

Well then You must be some kind of super duper tough guy Rambo because without the military you would be a fucking slave.




Personally. Don't need some hic with a gun to protect my junk.

I know its odd, the idea of violence in the American suburbs, but personally I grew up in the real world where its very common. Can't tell you how many beatings I've taken/given. There aren't a lot of cops where I live, or grew up - but there is a lot of shady people and crime.
As far as a military goes, if my town was 'invaded' it wouldn't take long for a militia to go up. A national guard could easily exist without an external military as well.





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For some people its not about being courageous. Its about money, benefits, and education. So what if you think its primordial to go to war. YOU dont have to sign up. There are a million other jobs on this planet that are morally corrupt and so what. We do what we have to do to make money and live. Survival.

That may be my sad outlook but its true. Alot of people sign up to make a living. And that is so necessary. I would risk my life for money, education, food, and shelter so that I could make a life for myself.






"How much do I know,
To talk out of turn,
You must say that I'm young,
You must say I'm unlearned,
But theres a one thing I know,
Though I'm younger than you,
Even Jesus would never forgive what you do

And let me ask you one question,
Is your money that good?
Will it buy you forgiveness?
Do you think that it could?
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll,
All the money you made won't ever buy back your soul"

~ Bob Dylan (Masters of War - Freewheelin Dylan)


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Re: People who join the military are stupid by doing so [Re: ahchela]
    #14395157 - 05/03/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ahchela said:
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zappaisgod said:

Well then You must be some kind of super duper tough guy Rambo because without the military you would be a fucking slave.




Personally. Don't need some hic with a gun to protect my junk.

I know its odd, the idea of violence in the American suburbs, but personally I grew up in the real world where its very common. Can't tell you how many beatings I've taken/given. There aren't a lot of cops where I live, or grew up - but there is a lot of shady people and crime.
As far as a military goes, if my town was 'invaded' it wouldn't take long for a militia to go up. A national guard could easily exist without an external military as well.




Neither a militia nor a national guard would have a fucking chance against a real military but why do you think those are any different than what is being discussed?


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